HTC say:

"it is inevitable that a phone's signal strength will weaken a little when covered in its entirety by a user's palm or fingers. We test all of our phones extensively and are confident that under normal circumstances reception strength and performance will be more than sufficient for the operation of the phone when network coverage is also adequate"

You're holding it wrong!

That bit in bold is pretty much the situation with the iphone press release ("sure you can get it to happen ....but under normal circumstances is it really a big problem?" that people still complained about on DS so let the 500 page thread commence! (I won't hold my breath on that )

http://m.engadget.com/default/articl...eng_latest_art

The issue with the iPhone 4 is not that this happens to all phones (of course it does - if you cover an antenna, you're going to attenuate the signal), the issue is that the attenuation is more severe.

Side by side tests with the iPhone 4, previous iPhone models and phones made by other manufacturers show this.

funny aint it.

where are those people now?

Not here. Because it isn't an issue.

The iPhone 4 seemed to exhibit full on detuning of the antenna when touched, and is a worrying issue. Just about every other phone has a similar but inherent issue - as described by HTC.

Jobs/Apple also tried to blur the issue by comparing the iPhone 4's issues to that of all other phones, when they are not at all similar. This is why fanboys all over the world seem to "death grip" other phones and claim that Jobs was right - he wasn't.

HTC has simply stated the truth. Unlike what Apple did - lie, spin, and release the most useless videos to try and prove their opinion.

Im guessing one can replace the post below yours with the term "Hypocritical excuses" and bingo.

Apple said the same thing as HTC have with regards to standard use and the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of iPhone 4 users, using their phones in the normal way aren't suffering problems either.

But hey - what do the millions and millions of iPhone 4 users know

As I thought - this thread isn't half as "popular" as the Apple one

Apple's phone has a different issue to HTC's phone. Apple can say the same thing as HTC, but it is pointless because it is not the same issue. Unless Apple wanted to coverup the fact that their phone is fundamentally flawed and not just experiencing a "fact of life" with wireless communication.

Back to this again.

The vast majority of iPhone users experience no issues using their handsets - this isnt pro-Apple propaganda, its fact.

I was referring to how Apple tried to gloss over it by stating that their phone had the same issue as other phones, when that is completely untrue.

Its a touchy subject but Apple are quite happy with marketing fudge to make it into a different issue.

Brilliant .Just like banning online apps that could hinder Apple revenue.

The design of the phone should minimise the issue, what Apple designers did was bloody stupid, they did not minimise but maximise this issue by putting an antenna in direct contact with a hand.

A weird fact is recent stats that claim A T & T have the lowest percentage of dropped calls.
Strange how they never released figures when they had an exclusive iPhone deal.

Alan,

Another Bizarre statement.

Is there a Verizon iPhone now? No.

AT&T still have an exclusive iPhone deal in the US.

Rumours had it that a new iPhone is coming out with Verizon next year.
Or just maybe, late into the contract, A T & T feel safer in hinting that it was more the iPhones fault, especially with the slack created by the 4's own problems.

http://hothardware.com/News/Will-ATT...-On-Wednesday/
"The iPhone itself doesn't really handle the switch from 3G to EDGE very well, so calls that are in-progress tend to fail whenever the 3G bands aren't optimal and the phone attempts to step down to EDGE. It seems that AT&T is tired of taking the heat for this, and at this point, they may be smart to just let another carrier take some of those customers who are most inclined to complain."

I think they served Apple very very well.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...649347572.html

Oh dear.

Seems we're not talking about the HTC signal problems.

We're talking about iPhone.

LOL.

Strange : MILLIONS of iPhone users don't have a problem - In fact the "stupid idea" of havin the antenna ALL AROUND THE PHONE actually results in iPhones best ever signal and the EXACT same 'problem' as the HTC has with it's antenna being "un-stupidly???" inside the phone.

Whoopsy you - falling into the "it's only a problem if it's Apple" hyperbole.

This thread REAKS of hypocrisy.

Incidentally ....and equally hypocritically....here's a blast from iphone4 antenna gate when jobs said that HTC and other phones suffered the same common issue:


At the time, HTC responded quickly and angrily. HTC CFO Hui-Meg Cheng said: “The reception problems are certainly not common among smartphones.” Will Mr Cheng be sending Steve Jobs a note of apology or maybe a nice fruit basket? We somehow doubt it.

Whoooooopsy mr cheng!

Mr Cheng is right. His phones, as does every other phone from every other phone manufacter, do not have the issue that the iPhone 4 has. They instead have an issue that has existed in mobile communication from day 1, and nothing to do with flawed design.

One day you might grasp this, but in the meantime it seems you've swallowed Jobs' BS in full.

Should cover my own back by giving the link to the entire second paragraph where HTC's Antenna problems produce the same end result as iPhone 4's and the "nice fruit basket" comments just incase I get done for copyright:

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/12...-4-death-grip/

The way I see it, the moment Apple gets mentioned (even on a thread that was actually about another brand!) - hype follows. Be it negative or positive, it keeps Apple in the headlines and topical interest in their products from even the non-nerdy press is phenomenal. Perhaps we're all being manipulated by subliminal messages? To paraphrase Billy Connelly: "they've got plans for you those b'stards - You'll be walking the down the street one day (with your iPod) and the cord will tighten - "

Wasit it ever about anything else?

I think this thread ( just like the comments about the N8 too ) are there to only fuel his obsession with apple .... This was simply created to bait people into talking about apple.

Apple were stupid enough to make the covers of the phone part of the working bits. I'm talking about the silver bits on the iPhone 4. Half of it controls the internet while the other half is the antenna. Most other phones have the antenna in the phone, I haven't found any problems on my Desire HD.

What so the HTC has an external aerial what can be bridged with another piece of metal that isnt aerial to cause incorrect impedance and significant signal reduction?

Or are we just talking about the fact that every phone ever made has the signal pattern difference which effects the signal slightly when held in the hand.

The problem with the iphone 4 issue is a tiny bit of tape can sort the issue so it not the mass of the hand covering it it seems to be a interference of the two antennas. electrical interfrerence which is far different from all the other phones on the market..

Plus as with all phones the iPhone 4 then suffers the Mass of the hand blocking the signal which makes the situation twice as worse.

They all might suffer but the iPhone suffers more because the aerial is on the outside of the phone. There is less of a problem with other phones as they put the aerial on the inside and have the shell of the phone the only part that is touched by a human hand thus not having direct contact with the aerial.