Is the E72's antenna right in a place where the average person is going to cover it? Is it unprotected, so detuning and other far nastier things can occur?

You know that you've messed the design up when there are suitably qualified (PhD) professors in antenna techology publicly wondering why Apple did what they did.

No one is saying that all phones don't have issues - but the iPhone 4 has some very unique ones. Going by the responses by some in here, Apple has done a sterling job of blurring the two issues to make it seem like their phone is okay.

Reports indicated that you would have to hold the iPhone 4 in a pretty strange manner to get problems.

Yeah. . .some people are treating both brands with double standards.

I mean in the video of the HD7 I posted. . .when he holds it naturally . . .the signal drops. . .if he holds it at the top (where you don't hold the phone) the signal doesn't.

Let's be honest Vall - we didn't expect anything different in terms of how some people are treating both cases, did we?

No, they pounce on any straw they can grasp against Apple. Silly really, thank goodness no pays any attention to them.

Interesting to note that iPhone users are the most loyal mobile users.

Well that's because those that actually use the iPhone know how great it is and can therefore ignore hyperbole.

I still find it amazing how people "hate" at Apple. It is bemusing. I mean just look at the products - their design, usability etc. What's their problem

I mean. . .look at two smartphones. . just pick two random ones up in the shop - one of them the iPhone 4. Any neutral consumer with no chip on their shoulder will always say "Wow. That is quality" with the iPhone.

As I have said before they are quite a strange bunch , but psychologically absolutely fascinating.

If "strange" is with (in your left hand) the bottom of the thumb resting against the antenna, then so be it.

Again - when there are PhD-level experts publicly wondering what HTC is doing, then there might be an issue. Will HTC be coming out with a line of "free" bumpers - after all, Apple did this, yet the problem didn't exist. Allegedly.

The phone would be top heavy and prone to topple if you held it that way. Pure and utter silliness. No one in their right mind would hold a phone that way. Anyway I always use a case with my mobile phones.


You speak about this fellow as if he were the Pope.

PHDs have loads of opinions, often conflicting. 6 PHDs and 6 views on a matter.

I'm doing it right now, with my non-iPhone. No reception issues. It is always how I've held my phone, and I'm not going to change because Steve Jobs thinks that it is wrong (particularly for his flawed phone).

Strangely enough, I have never dropped it either.



You'd hope that they'd know a little on the topic - PhDs aren't given out willy-nilly.

Ha. That's the first time I've seen that but it actually genuinely says alot ahout some here "arrogance is your favourite word" , "getting in a hissy fit at Starbucks"

Thanks for that.

(ps as I've said before the HTC in the signal video I posted is held the natural way and suffers the problems - I guess millions of HTC owners have to change the way they hold their phones cus HTC's CEO says so )

It's pretty much agreed that it is the best phone out there.

No flaws in the phone, only some of the users.



Their opinions vary as does their accuracy.

Oh look an iPhone thread with soundburst balls deep in Steve jobs while posting

Feel free to ban me, this forum has gone to shit anyway with the windup merchants like him

Oh dear. . .and who are you exactly?

Don't like the thread , feel free not to open it

Oh. . .I remember you now!! You were this guy posting in an iPhone 4 Antenna thread:




Maybe you should change your quote to "it will affect everyone who doesn't actually have the phone and has never used it naturally but still wants to have a bitch about Apple without any experience themselves" as It's strange how people who actually owned the phone, and used the phone in their left hand got to use the phone said things like this in the same thread:







There's being balls deep in Steve Jobs, and then being balls deep in anyone who's not Steve Jobs.

They must all be using bumpers/cases - you know, the ones that Apple wasted their/shareholders money on - as after all, there is no problem and there never was a problem. "You're just holding it wrong".

The thing is criticism and hate is NOT the same thing unless you are paranoid or jumpy.

Nobody here said they hated apple, I used to have an iPhone, an iPad and watch macbreak and stuff. Criticism is taken as hate people that are over protective and sensive about a manufacturer / retailer. Some people don't just buy Apple products, they evandulate and become unstable and obsessive.

Read the link Vallhund posted. Good laugh. But also very true - and by god it IS hate

Some people are obsessive about hating Apple, I don't think anybody in this thread is. To be honest it seems like the Apple fans are trying to make something out of this HTC issue in order to convince themselves that it was ok to have an external aerial that bridged with a metal surround. You could swing this argument right around.

Soundburst,

I think people would take you far more seriously if you didn't seem so blind to criticism of Apple products. I think the iPhone 4 is a great device, but it's signal issue is a definite flaw which is inherent to it's design. People have tried to explain to you that this is a different issue, but you've simply dismissed their point of view.
You mentioned Apple in your first post, and then complain when Apple become the subject of the conversation. You do seem to border on the obsessive, posting nothing but praise and getting very defensive when Apple come under fire.

I know this post won't make any difference, but I think it's time you questioned why you feel the need to post in these threads so much.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear

Like. . . a massive issue was made out of an Apple branded mobile?

Yeah. . .I think that came along first way back in June

That's the reason I created the thread.

To highlight the double standards with regards to the projection of bile from "specialists" in the technology media and internet. Everyone who's anyone posted in the Apple Antenna thread. . .even though they'd never even seen the handset in real life

To be honest the thread has shown everything that I could have dreamed of with regards to displaying my point.

A video identical to that of the iPhone was shown earlier in the thread by me - but strangely enough. . .no one (in the grand scheme of things) seems to give a crap. That's just what I expected to happen.

No doubt had the HD7 video I posted been an Apple HD7 mobile phone - as opposed to a HTC HD7 - everyone who's anyone would be in uproar (just like those back in June ) screaming "omg. .he holds it and the bars drop right down!".

I'm more than happy to let this thread drift down to the very bottom of DS' thread pit as it has served its purpose.

You were right, but you tried.

Just ignore him, he's done nothing but flame the board looking for reactions since coming here

More nonsense from the High Priest of the Church of Apple. Why buys Apple products if they make you feel so insecure?

The thing is, tests have shown that this Antenna design actually holds a weak signal better than previous iPhones. So can you really consider the antenna design flawed? If you do have problems with your iPhone4 antenna, it's easy to fix with a case but you're out of luck if you can't keep a week signal with previous iPhones.

I consider that more a trade off.

When you touch the antenna directly with your hand, its behaviour is unpredictable. It may improve the strength of the signal, but more likely it will make it worse. If the result is still better than with the previous phones, it means that the old antenna is even worse.