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Old 19-12-2010, 09:28
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Nothing unusual about that. Just think of the the two British series of Maigret starring Rupert Davies and Michael Gambon. In fact George Simenon said that in his opinion Davies gave the best portrayal of Maigret, even better than the various French actors who took on the role.
I haven't seen Maigret I’m afraid but I’m sure you’re right .

Van Veeteren is a crime series based on the books of Swedish Håkan Nesser where the society is a fictitious one, (at least I believe so but I might be wrong). I always think of it as the Netherlands since all the names in it sounds Dutch. It causes a distraction to me with a Swedish production and Swedish actors speaking Swedish yet they all have Dutch names but apart from that I find the acting superb (Sven Wollter in the lead as Van Veeteren is one of my favourite Swedish actors). However; I prefer Wallander.

Kenneth Branaghs Wallander, I believe, has been nominated and awarded for his performance as well as the production so it can’t be bad but then when personal taste comes into it you simply prefer and value different things.
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Old 19-12-2010, 16:30
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Like chuzhuchiche I have also noticed and often wondered why people seem to be so provoked by Branagh and why so many, so often, feel the need to express such a dislike for him. I just dont understand it
Because he's overrated, overhyped and more often than not he over acts. Because he's a 'luvvie'.

In this particular instance, ie Wallander ... see all of the above.
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Old 19-12-2010, 18:06
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Agreed. His over-acting got worse as the series went on and made it unwatchable, for me.
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Old 19-12-2010, 20:08
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Agreed. His over-acting got worse as the series went on and made it unwatchable, for me.
it was almost like it was being turned into a Shakespearian interpretation and that, coupled with the lack of Swedish urban locations, meant it was not convincing Swedish-style drama for me.

In contrast, Rolf Lassgård was on top form last night as the irascible and all too human Wallander. I certainly want to see all of the remaining 7 Rolf Lassgård Wallander episodes now.

It may not be the same as Krister Henriksson's interpretation of the role but it's certainly very good crime drama in its own right.
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Old 19-12-2010, 20:50
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Because he's overrated, overhyped and more often than not he over acts. Because he's a 'luvvie'.

In this particular instance, ie Wallander ... see all of the above.
Why is being a luvvie cause for hatred, e-t??
And making money - good on him if he has made a lot. Actors never know when they'll get their next job!
He's been v good in all kinds of parts - I think he's hated on here because he isn't Wallander to most of us who adore Henriksson etc. That's partly the fault of the direction as well as him though and I wouldn't judge him purely on his performance in W.
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Old 19-12-2010, 21:20
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I've read that the Branagh Wallander is quite popular in Sweden


It occurs to me that if the Branagh version hadn't been a success then the BBC wouldn't have bothered to get the rights to show the Henriksson and Lassgård versions
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Old 19-12-2010, 22:43
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I don't know if the Branagh version was already conceived, but the Swedish certainly was shown first.
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Old 19-12-2010, 23:33
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Are you sure about that??
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Old 20-12-2010, 07:19
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It occurs to me that if the Branagh version hadn't been a success then the BBC wouldn't have bothered to get the rights to show the Henriksson and Lassgård versions


IIRC the Swedish version beat Kenny B’s to UK screens.

It’s staggering to me that more watch the BBC1 version rather than the BBC4 one. It’s like being offered ersatz or the finest freshly ground Brazilian coffee and opting for the former. I’ve said it before but as long as Brits still balk at subtitled programming we can’t really sneer at the Americans for remaking recent foreign product because their citizens also refuse to tolerate subs.
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Old 20-12-2010, 08:21
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I have a suggestion:

We are not going to chance each other's minds vis a vis the merits of the Branagh Wallander so it might be an idea if this thread is henceforth restricted only to discussion about the Lassgard Wallander
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Old 20-12-2010, 08:27
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I have a suggestion:

We are not going to chance each other's minds vis a vis the merits of the Branagh Wallander so it might be an idea if this thread is henceforth restricted only to discussion about the Lassgard Wallander
I agree!
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Old 20-12-2010, 08:58
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I have a suggestion:

We are not going to chance each other's minds vis a vis the merits of the Branagh Wallander so it might be an idea if this thread is henceforth restricted only to discussion about the Lassgard Wallander


It’s the Kenny B fans that keep re-introducing it to threads whereupon it then sparks debate. The rest of us are busy trying to scrub it from our minds! So a tip for admirers of The Crying Polisman would be to avoid mentioning it again. Ever.
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Old 20-12-2010, 09:52
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At last!!!!!! I thought I was the only person who liked the Brannagh Wallander. Granted it's not as good as the Henriksson and Lassgård versions but neither is it the steaming pile of s*** that most people on the various Wallander threads treat it as
Branagh's was the first version I'd seen (and I don't read fiction, no staying power). I thought it beautifully crafted and very atmospheric, though would say he played it rather too depressed now that I've seen the other versions, lol

Edit - sorry (read previous post now), last word from me on subject!
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Old 20-12-2010, 09:56
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It’s the Kenny B fans that keep re-introducing it to threads whereupon it then sparks debate. The rest of us are busy trying to scrub it from our minds! So a tip for admirers of The Crying Polisman would be to avoid mentioning it again. Ever.
Good for you, strakes!!! Agreed!
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Old 20-12-2010, 11:07
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I hope that "strakes" takes my "support" (for want of a better word) for granted... not that he needs or wants it
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Old 20-12-2010, 11:21
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Getting back to the point, part 2 of Firewall is on tonight at 10PM
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Old 20-12-2010, 15:13
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I enjoyed Saturday night's episode, but I did wonder how Rolf (Kurt) manages to find so many females that are interested in him. First Maja and now the diabetes nurse. I've seen "Firewall" before, in one of the other versions (BBC, I think) but I could not, for the life of me, remember much of the plot and so it was interesting trying to recall what was going on.
Following on from our discussion of the absence of Svartmann, there were at least references to a "Svart Man" in this episode.
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Old 20-12-2010, 15:14
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Old 20-12-2010, 18:11
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Not sure if it's been highlighted already, but tonight at 9pm on BBC4 is "Nordic Noir: The Story of Scandinavian Crime Fiction" - documentary which investigates the success of recent Scandinavian crime fiction.
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Old 20-12-2010, 20:53
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Getting back to the point, part 2 of Firewall is on tonight at 10PM
Yep, Verence, in an hour and 10 mins and l'll be watching. Not only that, at 9pm on BBC4 tonight there's a programme about Swedish crime fiction and l'll be watching that too so it's nearly time to sign off...
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Old 20-12-2010, 20:58
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Yep, Verence, in an hour and 10 mins and l'll be watching. Not only that, at 9pm on BBC4 tonight there's a programme about Swedish crime fiction and l'll be watching that too so it's nearly time to sign off...
I'm Sky+ing them both
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Old 20-12-2010, 21:04
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it allowed time for one too many shag scenes during which it was hard to know whose tits to look at!
PMSL. Brilliant. Great line and very true,
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Old 20-12-2010, 22:29
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Wonderfully interesting docu before Wallander this evening.
And watching this version of Firewall I'm struck by how much more suspenseful it is than the KB version! (sorry, shouldn't have mentioned the B word!) I think it's partly because the Swedes don't make the mistake of concentrating too much on Wallander and all his woes.
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Old 21-12-2010, 13:40
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Not sure if it's been highlighted already, but tonight at 9pm on BBC4 is "Nordic Noir: The Story of Scandinavian Crime Fiction" - documentary which investigates the success of recent Scandinavian crime fiction.
Twas interesting, I had no knowledge of Nordic crime fiction.

IIRC the Swedish version beat Kenny B’s to UK screens.

It’s staggering to me that more watch the BBC1 version rather than the BBC4 one. It’s like being offered ersatz or the finest freshly ground Brazilian coffee and opting for the former. I’ve said it before but as long as Brits still balk at subtitled programming we can’t really sneer at the Americans for remaking recent foreign product because their citizens also refuse to tolerate subs.
Hardly staggering, one is on BBC1 at 9 pm the other is on BBC4 at 9 pm. If they had gone a bit mad and screen the Swedish version the BBC duty officer would have had a very busy evening. It easy to get on ones high horse about the aversion to sub-titling but most people are a bit lazy and like to "watch" tv when not paying proper attention, titling forces one to give 100% to a programme.
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Old 21-12-2010, 16:39
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Getting back to the point, part 2 of Firewall is on tonight at 10PM
The woman who worked with tynne falk, in Firewall, was she the woman that Kurt (played by Henrikson) had a brief affair with last year.I think she was a doctor.
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