Yes both Craig and Len were in agreement. I don't trust my own technical assessment and so I've looked online at some dance blogs and the reception to Pamela and James's VW was very positive. There is a comment on one of the blogs about Kara's pronounced stamping action and so Len wasn't alone in his reservation.

On a personal level I preferred Kara and Artem's performance but am willing to accept the high view of Pamela and James's VW. I'm not keen on Pamela's shoulders but that is due to her natural physical frame. There are a few comments about it not having content but I think it did have the right level of VW content. If people think something was missing content wise then they should be more explicit (a bit of faffing about at beginning but that is all).

This was Pamela's best performance to date, but it was not worth a 40 in my humble opinion.

The choreography was too safe and rather dull, technically she was almost there, but her shoulders were tensing occasionally, which made her posture a bit stiff, so I'd say it was a 9.

Agree - it was a beautiful VW in that respect.

I completely agree. I watched agog as the judges all held up the '10's

Pamela is a very good dancer, as much as her age allows for anyhow. However, I definitely think she is constantly being overmarked..

There are better dancers left in the competition and I think Kara deserved the 10's more than Pamela did tonight.

The stumble can't have been all that obvious if so many people didn't see it. I usually watch the show again on a Sunday, so I will watch for it and hold up my hand if I'm wrong.

I think you are doing Craig a disfavour tbh. Given that Kara hadn't dance yet, he needn't have given Pamela a 10.


I think you are spot on sweetie and it's been a while since we agreed like this! <smoooooocheroonie>!


I agree. I like all the celebs left except Ann and that's an even worse situation.

it seems that to be in your sixties and for it to have recently been your birthday would deem you worthy of higher marks than otherwise.how patronising.

I don't think it was worth 40/40. For me a perfect score is when you remember the performance. To be honest I've forgotten it already.

Nine yes, ten no; ten is for perfection, in my opinion.

That's fair, if you didn't see it. But I saw it, my boyfriend saw it (which believe me, says something lol) and my outraged mum, who phoned me right after Pam got 40, saw it. So I fail to see how the judges didn't see it, considering it happened two feet in front of them. I think that's what is making me think they were just being extra nice cause it was her birthday

Yay! Mwah! x

Personally I think they should have both received 40's but hey ho.

Also Kara's dance was not perfect either but I don't care.

Pamela and James produced a dance that clearly captured the mood of the film and the elegance of the dance.

For me Matt was overmarked but thats a whole other ballgame and I don't intend to start a thread about it!

It's cool, I do agree that this year we are lucky enough to have so many talented celebrities that it would be a bit of a shame if Ann or Gavin made the final instead of them.

I like Pamela but I didn't think she deserved more than Kara who was way better.

I thought Pamela deserved the 10's but i also think Kara should have got full marks.
Although the two dances were completely different they were both to the same standard imo

Agreed entirely FF <smooch!> x

It's not so much a case of Pamela being overmarked as Kara being deprived a perfect score when she probably deserved one too.

I don't think any couple has ever produced an entirely faultless routine (I've even read dance experts on here point out faults in Zoe & Ian's unforgettable Tango), so I don't mind the judges forgiving a very small stumble (I didn't notice it myself) if they felt the dance was special enough.

I adored Pamela and thought that her routine this week fully deserved it's score & placing at the top of the leaerboard.

It was beautifully choreographed & executed, Pamela looked amazing & the music topped it off nicely. In my opinion it was pefection

I agree - when a dance gives me goosebumps and moves me to tears then that is worth all the 10s it gets.

my problem with the 40 is that it seemed to be expected (on ITT and the net) before it was even danced and it doesn't sit right with me

I found it a bit dull and didn't think she was perfect - her mistakes always get overlooked

Hahahaha..she is a very good dancer irrespective of her age.

Totally agree. It was 'safe' and predictable :yawn:

Kara's on the other hand....well, I don't think I'll forget that one in a hurry....it was AMAZING!

Hi VL! I must have learnt something after 8 years then as an arm chair judge! Actually I wouldn't have had a problem with Kara getting 40 (I was expecting it before she danced tbh), but I wouldn't take anything away from Pamela. Once again, the judges who gave 9s to other couples have no other option than to raise that 10 paddle.


SNAP! That's my measurement too!

I think you are right about the expectations on ITT, but I'd say that's because Pamela is a great Ballroom dancer and her training VT looked very good. On the other hand, she struggles with Latin, so to say her mistakes always get overlook is a bit unfair.

Yes but there's not a lot you can do with a Viennese Waltz. The steps are very repetitive by nature.

Pamela & James had to rely almost exclusively on the emotional aspect of the dance to create an impact.

There's far more scope for different and dynamic moves in a Tango.

So we're not comparing like for like here.

But leaving aside choreography, Pamela made very obvious mistakes, and received a perfect score. Kara didn't make any obvious mistakes and received two points less. That doesn't add up. The impact of both dances were different, the choreography was of course different, so the only way to compare them is did the celeb do the dance justice, make any mistakes? And the one who scored highest was the one who made the mistakes. It's why it wasn't even in question in my house that the 40 was decided as soon as Pamela said "today's my birthday".

*smooches* for you Sid!

Exactly- it really had an impact in our house- they used the music beautifully IMO.

If Craig thought it worthy of a 10 then it must have really been amazing in the studio- also the rest of the Pro's were congratulatory when they got to the Tessanine which is another indication of how good it was.

Tangerine- watch Kara and Artem's again- her footwork was not right and there was a bit where it did look like she had missed a move- also she said something at the end that looked like an apology. I would have been happy for her to get 40 too BTW as I love both her and Pammie