They weren't obvious to me, but if they did exist, well Len pointed out a minor problem in Kara's routine too (and the way she discarded the chair was a bit messy for me).

Anyway, I'm arguing for Kara's mark to have been brought up to match Pamela's because I thought they were both utterly mesmerising (even if they didn't dance 100% cleanly).

Yes I had Kara to come top on King Predictor. I didn't notice the problems Len pointed out (did he say something about Kara drifting right as well as the stamping? - if so that is frowned upon) but that doesn't mean that they weren't there!


Absolutely correct. In fact when extra 'content' is put in it is usually non VW stuff and is there to avoid doing the VW steps! The trick in doing a good VW is to rotate the legs before rotating the upper half of the body and to stay to the left of the man. (Otherwise he has to work hard at turning the woman).

Pamela and James performace tonight was well worth 4 tens. It was perfect and very emotional.

They only had good marks because the judges think they have to kiss Pam's backside because Billy was in the audience.

Smarmy git James so wants to win, so I hope he doesn't.

I thought it was a lovely dance, maybe not worth four tens but definately the best of the night for me. There's no need to get so angry about it and certainly no need to direct that anger towards Pamela and James, it's hardly their fault the judges marked them so highly.

No matter HOW good she gets I'll ALWAYS find her sublimely irritating.

I just don't like the broad.

Certainly NOT worth 4 10s

Pamela & Scott obviously judges' favourites

As usual both OTT scoring

Pamela must be easily getting the least votes (not young enough or fit enough/), they are trying to get widdi out

Has Pam got a book or new show comming on the BBC

or has Billy got a book/ DVD/ show comming up


the judges are looking like the FIFA lot tonight

Surprised Craig gave a 10, his only one so far.

Which one's Sepp Blatter?

I agree with the view that Pamela didn't deserve 4 10's versus Kara's lower marks. The same applies to Matt versus Scott and the 9's given, Matt was bette.r Kara was better (imo) or at least equal to Pamela's.
Personally I find James and Pamela's partnership a little seedy and a 'love' based story gives me the creeps but I do agree she danced well just not as good as the judges made out.
Matt and Kara made almost undetectable errors and much was made of them, whilst Scott stumbled around the floor...again and was given 2 x 9's.
So overall I'm not blaming Pamela but I'm certainly loosing faith in unbiased marks from the judges. Even Aleysha agreed on ITT that she got carried away with the moment last week, I wonder what this weeks excuse will be?

If she did discard the chair in a messy way, which I don't really agree with, that would be a prop that she failed to handle properly. That's different to me than stumbling during a routine. The first is like dropping a prop on stage in a play. The second is like forgetting your lines. One is an accident, the other is a mistake. There is a difference to me. Not to mention that Pamela was stiff in the top of her back and neck throughout the whole dance. I just think Pamela was overscored. Totally disregarding Kara and whatever mark I think she should have received, Pamela was overmarked. I thought so as soon as she danced, nothing to do with Kara.

Pamela produced the second best routine of the night and deserved four 9s in my opinion. Kara was sublime as usual and deserved more than she got.

I'd also like to say that I thought both Scott and Matt were severely overscored tonight. Both had sub-par routines that they didn't dance superbly. Neither deserved 9s. I would have given them 7s or 8s.

I agree, I am so tired of overmaked dances by Pamela and Scott, and undermarked Kara (almost always) and Matt (occasionally).
I really don't get it. I mean I can understand the lower scoring of Matt because of the judges dislike of Aliona's choreo. But Artem's? is as perfect as it gets.

I understand that Pamela is 61, but Kara has dyslexia. My point being, judges need to be judging what is in front of them.

My only consolation is that by constantly undermarking Kara, I believe they are building up an active voting fanbase. I would love to see the voting % pattern.

If they gave everyone except Ann & Anton 10 each and Ann & Anton zero - I'd agree with them if it meant keeping in the proper dancers and getting rid of Ann. Anton I love but please give him a decent partner!

Stop putting in jokers its spoiling the programme because you get the same idiots who vote for the joke act on X Factor. Its not entertaining at all.

I don't like either of them so I'm not biased. The judges on this show make FIFA look angelic.

So in other words everyone was overmarked apart from your favourite

kara is this year's alesha (although better) - destined never to get a 40 despite poorer dances doing so

yes I'm looking at you Matt Di Angelo

Tonight, yes lol

Just because she's my favourite doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong. She became my favourite because she's such a good dancer. I've never had a favourite that wasn't the best dancer in any given year. I don't think they're the best because they're my favourite. They become my favourite because they're the best, because all I'm interested in is great dancing.

Huh?!?!?!

If she never scores a 40 I may cry.

Lisa Snowdon has scored three 'perfect' 40's.

THREE!

Did I confuddle you? lol

What I mean is ... take Emma Bunton. Didn't like her as a person really but she was my favourite in series 4 because she was the best technical dancer. I don't fall for someone and then try and make them better in my mind to justify wanting them to win. I am most impressed by those who can dance well. Of all the series I've watched my favourites were usually, in my mind anyway, the best dancers. Not the ones who had a journey or were cute or started well so I stuck with them throughout - they were the ones whose dancing I most enjoyed because they were great. I treat it as a serious dancing competition.

My favs have been

Jill
Zoe
Emma
Alesha
Tom/Rachel/Lisa (although didn't like any of them as people really)
Ricky
Kara

Purely about the dancing, they were for me the best technical dancers (and seem to be held as the best technical dancers by all my dancing friends, although of course among good dancers, it's becomes really subjective - some might have thought Colin was a better dancer than Zoe for instance). But I can't bring myself to love Ramps or Austin or Chris or whoever just because they showed spirit - it has to be the best technical dancer for me to want them to win.

Problem is there are many who cannot like Pam and that will colour their view. Add to this the Birthday and there will always be a question over the score.

Regardless of this Pamela & James's VW gave me goosebumps. JUST LIKE Kara & Artem's AS the other week.

Pamela's dance was amazing.

Yes, I noticed the neck. It was not a technically perfect dance.

It still deserved 10's. Pamela portrays both the nature of the dance and the story-line with aplomb.

Kara too deserved 10's - technically. But as I wrote over in the Kara thread her routine ought to have been dinged a point or two because of the choreography.

What is it with people and Pams dancing. I thought she danced beautifully and it made me cry I loved it. She deserved her marks.

I however think too that Kara should have got 4 10's but I wouldnt take the marks away from Pam who for me has improved the best overall. I think she might be a dark horse in this competition.

Some of Karas dance wasnt quite right even though I loved most of it, and have always loved her dancing Craig doesnt need much to score down.

But Pam danced really well. Good for her.