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Old 09-12-2010, 01:16
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The real Jo is back This is how she was at the start, loud and aggressive, determined that her way is the only way. She toned it down a bit after getting warned in the boardroom, but she's been getting cocky with the praise she's had recently and it's showing.

How Jamie didn't brain her I do not know, she was a nightmare to work with. And going back to the tour company was unprofessional, the deal was done. Much as I dislike Chris, he pulled a smart move there, I'm glad it paid off, and Jo's face in the boardroom was a picture when she got told off and he was praised
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:22
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Everything is subjected to the editing, most of what how Joanna was dipicted was through the lack of reponse she was getting from Jamie when she had ask him questions and he gave non-plus answers, which showed his lack of respect towards the PM, he did that too on a previous task which showed he can be moody when he doesn't get his way, but I'm not letting that distract me from appreciating that he did a good job this week, but equally if Jamie responded properly then I am sure we wouldn't have seen that many clips. Point in question Joanna didn't have any disagreement or had to repeat herself with Chris even though he made a hash of giving too much away when dealing with the tour operator.

I'm glad Joanna has made it to the interview stage and I hope she will be one of the candidates in the final. As much as people say that she is aggressive, passionate and annoying, my interpretation of what I seen is that she is forthright, dogmatic, vehement, resourceful and ultimately gets the job done. Good Luck Joanna
Forthright and resourceful is good. Vehement and dogmatic is not. So she'll need all the luck she can get.
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:46
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Every time I see us FM's getting riled about a candidate who seems "agressive", I wonder how much of this is real, or just very clever editing......

After all, we only see what they want you to see, so Joanna may have been wound up by Jamie, but because of time, and for entertainment value, we just never see it.
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Old 09-12-2010, 06:03
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I think that Jamie likes to work on his own. The previous task showed it. He didnt want to give away to Joanna even as PM what he intended to do on the tour. This got her worked up. Like I said, I am not sure she really had a right to know. It didnt seem he wanted her contribution, she is not from London, and just took her with because he had to. He tried to get away from her but no luck!
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:58
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FINNALY some people who see joanna for what she is

she hit a new low last night when she was being rude to jamie and then when he signed...yeh SIGHED loudly she told him as a women she was threatened

ahahaha unbelievable

she wont make it past interviews with such poor people skills
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:00
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I think that Jamie likes to work on his own. The previous task showed it. He didnt want to give away to Joanna even as PM what he intended to do on the tour. This got her worked up. Like I said, I am not sure she really had a right to know. It didnt seem he wanted her contribution, she is not from London, and just took her with because he had to. He tried to get away from her but no luck!
she wont win.

Tonight she was the epitome of a bad project manager. If he doesnt want to talk to you - you back off until he wishes too. You dont keep pushing because it results in an explosian. Any fool can work that out. He was tryiing to work out his job as he is the one giving the tour.

She behaved as a petualant child and the aggrieved Joanna when he lost it with her was unbelivable.

This woman should never be given power over others.
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:26
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I think she thought christmas had come when he got riled up, she got to act all innocent and put upon.
Yeah wasnt too impressed with that moment, as if Joanna would feel threatened

AGree with the others who say maybe the editing gave us a false impression, Jamie was replying monosyllabically to most of her comments, so as much as he thought she was being over the top and annoying, that would obviously rile her up further and make her think he wasnt listening.

I DON'T think it was unprofessional of her to try to claw back the deal of 20% of total profits, when Chris never agreed it with her in the first place, and it was clearly a mistake. If they had lost the task because of this, Sirallun would have either fired Chris for the mistake, or Joanna for letting it happen - an element of 'can't win whatever you do'!
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:03
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I think she thought christmas had come when he got riled up, she got to act all innocent and put upon.

Jamie is halfway across the pedestrian crossing "Jamie we'll cross here" made me laugh.
That just summed her up - reverting to type from the earlier episodes.

She's a great "do-er" and ab ti of a control freek, in that if things aren't being done in her way she won't listen and just rams it down other people's throats. This doesn't always fo down well. Hence the confrontation with Melissa earlier and Jamie yesterday.

To get the best out of staff a good manager will give competant staff freedom to make their own decisions. She needs to learn that.
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:04
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Can anyone seriously say their would enjoy working alongside Joanna, or working for her?

She is clearly an utter nightmare when under pressure.
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:48
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Can anyone seriously say their would enjoy working alongside Joanna, or working for her?

She is clearly an utter nightmare when under pressure.
True... As I said earlier in this thread, I used to like Joanna after she had toned down her behaviour over the last few weeks, but she completely undid all the good work in the episode last night.

Saying that... I think I would definitely prefer to work with her than with Laura.
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:28
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FINNALY some people who see joanna for what she is

she hit a new low last night when she was being rude to jamie and then when he signed...yeh SIGHED loudly she told him as a women she was threatened
Well, I'm a fan of Joanna but I don't think she showed herself in a good light. Constantly going on at Jamie and then playing the "I feel threatened as a woman" card. Jamie wasn't being physically or even verbally threatening, so being a woman didn't have sod all to do with it.
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:38
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I think Joanna is finished. She wont win. It was jamie who would be going on the bus, so it was up to him to decide what to do on it. She should have left him to it.
At least Jamie worked out the route himself. Stella it seems doesnt even know the east end and didnt even go there to check it out.
Wasn't there a scene when she asked a couple of guys on a stall to come out with a bit of rhyming slang for the tourists, and one of the objected that she was patronising them? I'm sure I remember something like that.
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:40
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Wasn't there a scene when she asked a couple of guys on a stall to come out with a bit of rhyming slang for the tourists, and one of the objected that she was patronising them? I'm sure I remember something like that.
that was liz
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:44
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Wasn't there a scene when she asked a couple of guys on a stall to come out with a bit of rhyming slang for the tourists, and one of the objected that she was patronising them? I'm sure I remember something like that.
No that was Liz...and he was right
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:48
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AGree with the others who say maybe the editing gave us a false impression, Jamie was replying monosyllabically to most of her comments, so as much as he thought she was being over the top and annoying, that would obviously rile her up further and make her think he wasnt listening.

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She did everything possibly wrong with Jamie. If he doesnt want to talk to you - there is a reason. He is worried as you are irritating him so much he will explode. And explode he did.

She pushed and pushed and pushed. Women never learn with men to back away. They think they can nag them into a response - generally one which agrees with them.

If Jamie blew up at her it was entirely her own fault. And she made it worse by acting the victim.
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Old 09-12-2010, 11:50
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No that was Liz...and he was right
Ah, ok.. thanks!
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Old 09-12-2010, 12:06
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She did everything possibly wrong with Jamie. If he doesnt want to talk to you - there is a reason. He is worried as you are irritating him so much he will explode. And explode he did.

She pushed and pushed and pushed. Women never learn with men to back away. They think they can nag them into a response - generally one which agrees with them.

If Jamie blew up at her it was entirely her own fault. And she made it worse by acting the victim.
Agreed with you until the "Women never learn" part. This isn't about women vs. men. Let's not blame the entire female sex for Joanna's behaviour. Stella is clearly much better when it comes to communicating, even when she's stressed.

Bad times for Jo last night, being PM clearly brings out the worst in her. However I don't think this negates all of her previous good work in other tasks and I think she's still a good contender for the final.
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Old 09-12-2010, 13:38
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If Jamie blew up at her it was entirely her own fault. And she made it worse by acting the victim.
Actually, I dont think there's any reason in business to blow up at people. What I was trying to say was Jamie could easily have communicated to Joanna that she was being over the top with her constant micro-managing aka nagging (!) but what we saw was him avoid dealing with it until he did blow up. Maybe he did try to negate her constant nagging, and we didnt see it. From Joanna's point of view, if you're trying to talk to someone and they're continually not responding for whatever reason, of course it is going to frustrate you, hence Joanna got even more on his case. We only saw what they wanted us to see, I think.

Equally, I wonder whether Joanna would have play-acted the threatened victim had Nick or the cameras not been there... I am thinking not
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Old 09-12-2010, 16:29
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. From Joanna's point of view, if you're trying to talk to someone and they're continually not responding for whatever reason, of course it is going to frustrate you, hence Joanna got even more on his case. We only saw what they wanted us to see, I think.

But Joanna only saw it from Joannas point of view. The warnings were thee - if he doesnt want to talk to you dont badger him until he does.

You back away. You let him calm down and talk reasonably.

Her inability to spot when she was going to far caused an explosian.
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Old 10-12-2010, 09:04
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As did his inability to deal with her badgering him - so fault on both sides then
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Old 11-12-2010, 11:40
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Yeah it looks like Joanna hasn't changed THAT much.
That's what I'd said way back in post #5. I also don't think she was as bad as she's been painted, either in the early episodes or in the most recent one. She has been the star performer through-out, and that's partly through hard work and attention to detail, and now she was PM there was even more pressure on her. The editing accentuates her flaws when it suits them.
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:21
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Let's reverse the spin on this one:

But Joanna only saw it from Joannas point of view.
But Jamie only saw things from Jamie's point of view.

The warnings were thee - if he doesnt want to talk to you dont badger him until he does.
The warnings were there - if your PM wants some information from you don't keep ignoring them so they have to ask again and again for what they are perfectly entitled to know.

You back away. You let him calm down and talk reasonably.
You just tell them. You let them have the information they want so they don't need to ask again.

Her inability to spot when she was going to far caused an explosian.
His inability to spot when he had gone too far with the stonewalling caused an explosion.



You see, you can always spin things both ways.

In this instance, though, there is a quite definite prima facie case that Jamie was more in the wrong than Joanna because he was the one who was refusing to cooperate with the assigned project manager and give her the information she needed and, on top of that, he was the one who lost control, exploded, and let his verbal aggression spill over into the physical when he made the chopping movement.

He then had the brass nerve to accuse Joanna of being aggressive.
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Old 11-12-2010, 13:09
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Is there anything more annoying that someone you know is far less intelligent than yourself constantly nagging in your ear, it was inevitable he was going to snap eventually.

And Joanne had a little speech prepared for when he did, I bet she has done that quite a few times over he career.
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Old 11-12-2010, 13:22
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Is there anything more annoying that someone you know is far less intelligent than yourself constantly nagging in your ear
Yes, actually, lots of things.

Anyway you have no evidence whatsoever about the relative intelligence of Joanna and Jamie.

If Jamie was that intelligent he'd have realised the rather obvious fact that the way to stop Joanna asking him questions was to anser them. Simple, really.

it was inevitable he was going to snap eventually.
And yet he didn't have the nous to spot that and take the simple step of giving his PM the information she required to prevent it.

And Joanne had a little speech prepared for when he did,
ROFLMAO!

Well, she seems to be by far the more intelligent, then.

She could actually foresee not only that Jamie would lose it but that he would actually make a physically aggressive gesture and, on top of that, initiate the aggression/threatened dialogue.

That's some forward planning.
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Old 11-12-2010, 14:02
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Joanne's 'manner' only comes out when she is PM....but ion all counts, she's true to herself when she is working alongside someone else and is determined to gain a win for the group...through sales/profit etc. This is obvious from her 7 wins in the boardroom and also from her background, as one who had to prove to herself AND others that there is a desire to succeed, in contrast to her rebellious nature when she was younger...and good for her too!!
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