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Old 05-12-2010, 10:57
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She had the best voice of the finalists, romped a show that is essentially a popularity contest.

However voice and personality were not enough, however it was all about Cowell wanting to get a male winner last year, clearing something he does not want this year.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:58
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She should of won! but look at her now the females always seem to do better.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:09
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She's lovely and deserves all her success, nobody has a bad word to say about her. She should have beaten Olly, at least.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:10
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Quite a few people claimed at the time that her personality was all just an act, how wrong they were!
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:10
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I agree, Stacey was my winner last year

I just watched last night's IAC and shed a couple of tears She's such a lovely, sweet, genuine girl. Her voice is amazing too, I wish she'd released something. I'll never forget her singing Who Wants To Live Forever.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:11
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Quite a few people claimed at the time that her personality was all just an act, how wrong they were!
Some people have a thing about happy/funny people, they thinks it's fake, because they are boring and miserable
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:11
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I think that Joe won because he was the best technical singer - and quite often in the final this is what the floating voters go for - earlier in the competition it is a lot about popularity and personality.

I think my case is bolstered by the fact that when Stacey went on a show which is PURELY a popularity contest (IACGMOOH) - she won it. By a fair margin I understand. Bless her, she was SO pleased.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:12
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She was my fav after Olly. Never understood how boring Joe won.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:13
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I wonder if they will mention her win on the show tonight.

I have a feeling Stacey not winning last year may come back to haunt Cowell in the future
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:15
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I do hope she can get good work on the back of this now. I don't think she's massively ambitious but she wants the best for her little boy and who can blame her. Maybe TV work rather than singing is the way to go for her.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:15
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She was my fav after Olly. Never understood how boring Joe won.
I'm not sure about who should have won between Olly and Stacey, but Joe certainly shouldn't have. He's going nowhere. Actually, thinking about it, Olly should probably have won, with Stacey second. Still, Olly's career seems to be going well and Joe's still putting his running shoes on, so I guess the right result was achieved eventually.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:17
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I didn't think Stacey sang all that well in the last few weeks - they went the 'diva' route with her image and her songs which worked against her personality, which seems to have been her strongest point. I remember people commenting on that at the time.

X factor is only a stepping stone, looking at the last few years you don't have to win to do well out of it.

In the BBC Andrew Lloyd Webber shows everyone in the final 12 seems to end up doing well. I think they do make more of an effort to mentor people when they leave the show than X factor does though.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:17
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I'm not sure about who should have won between Olly and Stacey, but Joe certainly shouldn't have. He's going nowhere. Actually, thinking about it, Olly should probably have won, with Stacey second. Still, Olly's career seems to be going well and Joe's still putting his running shoes on, so I guess the right result was achieved eventually.
Olly and Diana are doing better then Joe. I do like Joe though.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:22
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She had the best voice of the finalists, romped a show that is essentially a popularity contest.

However voice and personality were not enough, however it was all about Cowell wanting to get a male winner last year, clearing something he does not want this year.
She had a good voice, but not (IMO) the best of the finalists. I also think her VTs were off-putting. Therefore I don't think it was a surprise that she didn't win X-Factor.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:30
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I think that Joe won because he was the best technical singer - and quite often in the final this is what the floating voters go for - earlier in the competition it is a lot about popularity and personality.

I think my case is bolstered by the fact that when Stacey went on a show which is PURELY a popularity contest (IACGMOOH) - she won it. By a fair margin I understand. Bless her, she was SO pleased.
This is incorrect.

As evident of the voting figures from the very first live show, Joe has always near the top of the votes (usually Top 3) and then the last 4 weeks became #1. His final margin win of over 60% of the votes is the highest of any of the series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_Factor_(UK_series_6)

Joe in the public mind was actually one of the favorites. The media might spin stories about Danyl, Stacey, and Jedward, but it was clear that Joe stayed focused to win the competition.

Give props to Joe, he proved himself every step of the way - great performances throughout and the public liked him from the very start. And he didn't use any sympathy votes, dancer votes, production votes, media votes, and manipulation. He just went on stage to prove he was a popstar and a deserving winner.

One of his best performances last year that showed amazing vocals with emotion and personality. He got his second standing ovation in a row with this performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j93WvstotJ4
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:32
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Olly and Diana are doing better then Joe. I do like Joe though.
Yes, I forgot about Diana. Again, she probably shouldn't have won (niche market and all that), but I'm very pleased she's found a career for herself. The show did the job for her in getting her public recognition, and she's got enough talent to carry on from there. Same with Rhydian, of course.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:33
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I didn't think Stacey sang all that well in the last few weeks - they went the 'diva' route with her image and her songs which worked against her personality, which seems to have been her strongest point. I remember people commenting on that at the time.

X factor is only a stepping stone, looking at the last few years you don't have to win to do well out of it.

In the BBC Andrew Lloyd Webber shows everyone in the final 12 seems to end up doing well. I think they do make more of an effort to mentor people when they leave the show than X factor does though.
The thing with the BBC shows is that they're essentially a showcase (and an audition) for all the contestants, regardless of where they place in the competition. Also, in Theatre, it's not about being an overnight success, so contestants are able to make steady progress with their careers, rather than being dismissed as failures when they don't get a West End leading role within a month of leaving the competition.

Another point - a lot of the contestants in the BBC shows were already working within the industry when they applied to be on the shows. So they tended to be much more proficient when it came to performing than a lot of X-Factor contestants are. I don't recall any of the 'bottom two' people in the BBC shows losing it in the sing-offs and all the group songs were performed live, not mimed. Also, the judging panels were, on the whole, pretty good (and with no real inter-judge 'feuding'). And it was always about the contestants, not the judges, which is how it should be.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:36
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She was too irritating to win and her singing wasn't as good as people's rose tinted glasses are showing, IMO.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:36
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I do hope she can get good work on the back of this now. I don't think she's massively ambitious but she wants the best for her little boy and who can blame her. Maybe TV work rather than singing is the way to go for her.
Oh no, I don't think she could "polish" herself enough to present. Same problem with Jedward, people thought that they would become presenters, but I always knew that they wouldn't because they're not disciplined enough.

I was really surprised Stacey didn't get a recording contract though, yet Olly got one.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:41
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This is incorrect.

As evident of the voting figures from the very first live show, Joe has always top the votes (usually Top 3) and then the last 4 weeks became #1. His final margin win of over 60% of the votes is the highest of any of the series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_Factor_(UK_series_6)

Joe in the public mind was actually one of the favorites. The media might spin stories about Danyl, Stacey, and Jedward, but it was clear that Joe stayed focused to win the competition.

Give props to Joe, he proved himself every step of the way - great performances throughout and the public liked him from the very start. And he didn't use any sympathy votes, dancer votes, production votes, and manipulation. He just went on stage to prove he was a popstar and a deserving winner.

One of his best performances last year that showed amazing vocals with emotion and personality. He got his second standing ovation in a row with this performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j93WvstotJ4
On the back of that, his album came in at number 3 in the charts, dropped to 20 after a week, and 40 a week later. I appreciate that the charts ain't what they used to be, but this isn't great.
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Old 05-12-2010, 11:57
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On the back of that, his album came in at number 3 in the charts, dropped to 20 after a week, and 40 a week later. I appreciate that the charts ain't what they used to be, but this isn't great.
20th Century Fox deal with the Narnia track.

It's too early yet for Joe and there are some great things for him in the future looks like it.

But in general, it is clear that Joe is not the one to blame if the album is not a success. Syco has clearly mismanaged Joe (like Shayne as well) - Lack of promo compared to Alex, Leona, and even Olly; lack of support with the Global block on Joe because of the Wanted album out at the same time; not giving him much guidance and advice as a young artist; etc. It's ridiculous how they have left Joe to fend for himself.
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Old 05-12-2010, 13:12
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Another point - a lot of the contestants in the BBC shows were already working within the industry when they applied to be on the shows.
The same goes for many X Factor contestants. Certainly those who make the live shows.

I don't recall any of the 'bottom two' people in the BBC shows losing it in the sing-offs
I did find it funny that the one contestant that many accused of losing it in the sing-off was Daniel Boys in 'Any Dream Will Do', one of the most experienced contestants they have had. All he was doing was putting the required emotion into 'Bring Him Home'. ALW still saved the vacuous pretty boy though.
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Old 05-12-2010, 13:13
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For some reason the judges hated Stacey staying in one place and barely moving every performance, yet Rebecca gets away almost scot-free.

Oh, yeah, sorry, I forgot. Stacey wasn't mentored by Queen Cheryl. :yawn:
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Old 05-12-2010, 13:15
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For some reason the judges hated Stacey staying in one place and barely moving every performance, yet Rebecca gets away almost scot-free.

Oh, yeah, sorry, I forgot. Stacey wasn't mentored by Queen Cheryl. :yawn:
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 05-12-2010, 13:16
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I think Joe is going to have a very successful career, but I don't see him as a popstar. I think he is alot more suited to musical theatre and could have a fantastic career on the West End and Broadway.
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