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Craig sees "hideous wobble" in Kara's tango...
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petertard
06-12-2010
Did Artem stamp his feet as well, or was it just Kara ?
Vivacious Lady
06-12-2010
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“I don't think Kara was robbed because she didn't get 40. The dance was beautiful, no doubt about it, but having watched it back a 2nd time some of her footwork was really bad. Len commented on the heel leads that had become far too exaggerated (or whatever word he used), but even worse - for me - was when in promenade position, instead of dragging her left foot towards her right foot, she picked it up and stamped it into position. Maybe she was thinking tango was like paso, where lifting the foot is acceptable, but for a tango it was completely wrong.”

Thanks Kaycee. I know Len had commented on the heel leads but hadn't watched it over. I don't know why people think there is some sort of agenda to mark Kara down. The bottom line is that the judges notice the footwork, but most casual viewers don't and that often explains the discrepancy in views.
-Sid-
06-12-2010
I maintain that it's better for Kara if she's seen as being hard done by than favoured.

Look at the backlash against Pamela this weekend. The perfect score has done her no favours at all.
Stockingfiller
06-12-2010
I haven't been voting for Kara but it would be interesting to see, the 'wobble' that none of the rest of us saw.
Azla Axe
06-12-2010
I wish I could wobble as hideously as Kara does... *sigh*

Originally Posted by petertard:
“Did Artem stamp his feet as well, or was it just Kara ?”

Artem stamped his feet as well at the same time as Kara. It was on a music accent, so it was quite obvious it was part of the choreography, and not a technical point.
fancynancy
06-12-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I maintain that it's better for Kara if she's seen as being hard done by than favoured.

Look at the backlash against Pamela this weekend. The perfect score has done her no favours at all.”

I do wonder if that's why it was awarded - along with top place last week?

I cling to the hope that Kara is being protected, as it were. A vain hope, maybe, but I do so want to see her win.
Azla Axe
06-12-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I maintain that it's better for Kara if she's seen as being hard done by than favoured.

Look at the backlash against Pamela this weekend. The perfect score has done her no favours at all.”

Very true!
-Sid-
06-12-2010
Originally Posted by fancynancy:
“I do wonder if that's why it was awarded - along with top place last week?

I cling to the hope that Kara is being protected, as it were. A vain hope, maybe, but I do so want to see her win. ”

I'm going to be quite controversial and say that for the first time, I thought Pamela deserved her 10's (and you know I'm not fond of her or James!)

I thought it was a magical routine and I didn't see the stumble others have mentioned.

That said, I thought Kara deserved a quartet of 10's as well.

But when you have to work harder for the top marks, it means more, it's more satisfying and the audience will tend to get behind you. So yes, maybe they have learnt their lesson from how they treated the likes of Lisa Snowdon and Ali Sebastian and don't want Kara to suffer the same fate.
Erinfan
06-12-2010
Hideous wobble??? Rubbish! She took a second at the most to slightly adjust herself, as professionals do as well if they risk overbalancing. It's not glaringly obvious as Kara did well and kept control of herself, PREVENTING a proper wobble.

I think Craig just wants to be a smart-ass and spot the tiniest of things. Incredibly harsh to take a full mark off for that subtle adjustment in my opinion - if that was his only reason. I'd understand the two stamps as a reason for a mark off more than that "wobble".
diva_moon
06-12-2010
I thought the K+A tango was also worth 4 x 10. Beautiful as Pam and James' V. Waltz was, it is not of the same performance difficulty as that tango was. I was quite annoyed by the marks, and very disappointed to see K+A get ony 2*10.
Cadiva
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I maintain that it's better for Kara if she's seen as being hard done by than favoured.

Look at the backlash against Pamela this weekend. The perfect score has done her no favours at all.”

Considering the vast majority of SCD viewers have absolutely no clue about Digital Spy I don't think the "backlash" on here will make the slightest bit of difference to Pamela's popularity in general.
Paace
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by diva_moon:
“I thought the K+A tango was also worth 4 x 10. Beautiful as Pam and James' V. Waltz was, it is not of the same performance difficulty as that tango was. I was quite annoyed by the marks, and very disappointed to see K+A get ony 2*10.”

It goes to show the absurdity I suppose of SCD, trying to compare couples doing completely different dance forms.

When it comes to the latter stages of SCD it would be nice to compare the couples doing the same dance.
Would be great if we could compare Kara and Pam's tango on the same show.
thenetworkbabe
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by fancynancy:
“Did Kara say at some point over the weekend that she'd caught her heel in her dress as she tipped off the chair and kicked it away? Did I dream that? Is that not the 'wobble' that Craig was referring to?

Personally, I think this is just the judges' response to the criticism about the disparity in marking between Kara & Pamela. It's been rife on this forum this weekend - and, let's face it, this forum is the one that they'll be looking at for feedback.

I still can't make my mind up whether 'they' are trying to protect Kara from the curse of the favouritism tag - or whether 'they' are really trying to engineer a place in the final for Pamela.

I trust it's the former. ”

Or/and they can't work out their marking comparabilities between Kara, their most gymnastic young female ever with massive complexity in her routines, and Pamela, who is their oldest really good dancer ever. Kara has more content so not making any mistakes is less likely. Pamela has less content but couldn't be expected to do even more. What they can't do is keep on penalising Kara for mistakes she makes doing moves that no one else gets near to trying without giving her credit for doing more moves that work. If Pamela has an individual target set for her 10s Kara needs one for hers too.
rita1
07-12-2010
Well I thought she was going to fall over for a moment, even from the angle we saw it, but since no one mentioned it until Craig I assumed it was part of the dance. Maybe that's the wobble he was talking about? If so then he didn't make it up.
kassieq
07-12-2010
Craig sees "hideous wobble" in Kara's tango

What, where, Sorry but I didn't see Anne come stumbling onto the set when Kara was dancing, if she did it was very unproffessional and in bad taste - I think I will complain.

That is positively the last time I will mention the BoD EVAH
Masie_daisy
07-12-2010
There was no wobble, Craig had decided to give Pamela a 10 on friday, Kara may have corrected herself but she did not wobble or nearly fall over Rita1. Pamela did however stumble but as they had decided she was going to get 40 they ignored it.

Craig has been the most consistent judge this year but has really disappointed me with this blatant bias.
Pretzel
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Considering the vast majority of SCD viewers have absolutely no clue about Digital Spy I don't think the "backlash" on here will make the slightest bit of difference to Pamela's popularity in general.”


I wouldn't be so sure. The papers gauge overall fan responses from forums and online blogs. Journalists from the nationals often use DS for handy fan 'quotes'. There are two in this article in The Sun referring to Pamela's top score that were definitely directly lifted from one of the threads on this forum.
rita1
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by Masie_daisy:
“There was no wobble, Craig had decided to give Pamela a 10 on friday, Kara may have corrected herself but she did not wobble or nearly fall over Rita1. Pamela did however stumble but as they had decided she was going to get 40 they ignored it.

Craig has been the most consistent judge this year but has really disappointed me with this blatant bias.”

Well I thought for a moment she was going to fall over as I said - made me jump slightly at the time.

I didn't see Pamela stumble - I wasn't concentrating on her dance because I'm getting a little fed up with her.

I agree with you about Craig though. When he said Kara's dance was fantasmagoric or whatever, I thought why not a 10 then! But this is not the first time he's done this during this series. It's not the first time he's done it to Kara, and she's not the only one to suffer from it. I do think if Craig is going to give gushing praise then he should explain why he's not giving a 10 - at the time and not two days later.
Tangerine_82
07-12-2010
Yes, it's funny he said that. So the judges could see a wobble in Kara's routine that the TV camera didn't pick up but the TV camera picked up a wobble in Pamela's VW that the judges couldn't see?

Did Harry Potter put a confudus charm on the dancefloor or something?
Tangerine_82
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by Pretzel:
“I wouldn't be so sure. The papers gauge overall fan responses from forums and online blogs. Journalists from the nationals often use DS for handy fan 'quotes'. There are two in this article in The Sun referring to Pamela's top score that were definitely directly lifted from one of the threads on this forum.”

Ew!! Ew ew ew ew ew! The Sun quoted me. I feel sick and used ... that rag stole my thought and printed it ...


/|\
echad
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“Ew!! Ew ew ew ew ew! The Sun quoted me. I feel sick and used ... that rag stole my thought and printed it ...


/|\”

And Ignazio as well. I bet he's ecstatic.
Pretzel
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“Ew!! Ew ew ew ew ew! The Sun quoted me. I feel sick and used ... that rag stole my thought and printed it ...


/|\”

Oh yes, of course! I thought I recognised the quote. In fact, that's what made me check and see if it was from DS because I knew I had read the 'neck brace' bit here.

Cheeky buggers. Maybe you'll get a small fee or something, or not!
Tangerine_82
07-12-2010
I'd rather Pamela get 40 every single week than have my thought printed in that rag
dottigirl
07-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“I'd rather Pamela get 40 every single week than have my thought printed in that rag ”

What surprises me is that the comments underneath are actually more sensible than your average Daily Hate article.

EDIT: I read some of the other articles and the comments are mostly erudite and witty. Quelle surprise at the Sun.
Lili27
07-12-2010
What I find odd is why didn't Craig point out the wobble on show night. He usually does.
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