Judges comments on Kara's "huge wobble". I didn't even see it! Yet I did notice Gavin's entrance ending in a huge wobble! He slid and lost his balance at the end of it. He was stiff and awkward for a few turns after that. He regained confidence and ended well, but the start was really terrible, yet nobody even mentioned that!
Howcome none of the judges commented on Gavin's big initial wobble?
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Originally Posted by diva_moon:
“Judges comments on Kara's "huge wobble". I didn't even see it! Yet I did notice Gavin's entrance ending in a huge wobble! He slid and lost his balance at the end of it. He was stiff and awkward for a few turns after that. He regained confidence and ended well, but the start was really terrible, yet nobody even mentioned that!”
“Judges comments on Kara's "huge wobble". I didn't even see it! Yet I did notice Gavin's entrance ending in a huge wobble! He slid and lost his balance at the end of it. He was stiff and awkward for a few turns after that. He regained confidence and ended well, but the start was really terrible, yet nobody even mentioned that!”
He's a rugby player, for heavens' sake!! For his day job he slips and slides a lot, ending on his stomach, preferably scoring a try.
We know he's probably not going to survive next week unless his fans redouble their vote to overtake Pamela's and Scott's and Kara's shares, so give him his due - a middle ranking tryer who's outlasted the Night Mare.
Originally Posted by Dorabella14:
“He's a rugby player, for heavens' sake!! For his day job he slips and slides a lot, ending on his stomach, preferably scoring a try.
We know he's probably not going to survive next week unless his fans redouble their vote to overtake Pamela's and Scott's and Kara's shares, so give him his due - a middle ranking tryer who's outlasted the Night Mare.”
“He's a rugby player, for heavens' sake!! For his day job he slips and slides a lot, ending on his stomach, preferably scoring a try.
We know he's probably not going to survive next week unless his fans redouble their vote to overtake Pamela's and Scott's and Kara's shares, so give him his due - a middle ranking tryer who's outlasted the Night Mare.”
None of them are professional dancers , so they should all be judged equally. You're implying that he should be given extra marks because he's a rugby player - how ludicrous.
Originally Posted by Dorabella14:
“He's a rugby player, for heavens' sake!! For his day job he slips and slides a lot, ending on his stomach, preferably scoring a try.
We know he's probably not going to survive next week unless his fans redouble their vote to overtake Pamela's and Scott's and Kara's shares, so give him his due - a middle ranking tryer who's outlasted the Night Mare.”
“He's a rugby player, for heavens' sake!! For his day job he slips and slides a lot, ending on his stomach, preferably scoring a try.
We know he's probably not going to survive next week unless his fans redouble their vote to overtake Pamela's and Scott's and Kara's shares, so give him his due - a middle ranking tryer who's outlasted the Night Mare.”
I plan to quadruple mine!
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“None of them are professional dancers , so they should all be judged equally. You're implying that he should be given extra marks because he's a rugby player - how ludicrous.”
“None of them are professional dancers , so they should all be judged equally. You're implying that he should be given extra marks because he's a rugby player - how ludicrous.”
Dorabella is implying nothing of the sort - simply pointing out his day job which unlike anyone else left in the competition does not involve presentational skills.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Dorabella is implying nothing of the sort - simply pointing out his day job which unlike anyone else left in the competition does not involve presentational skills.”
“Dorabella is implying nothing of the sort - simply pointing out his day job which unlike anyone else left in the competition does not involve presentational skills.”
He should be marked down if he makes a mistake. It isn't fair otherwise.
With Kara, it was necessary to comment on the "wobble" (which I admit I didn't and still really don't see 
) in order to explain her score and consequent position on the leaderboard. Gavin, on the other hand, produced a greatly improved performance over the previous couple of weeks and the judges were able to score him accordingly without altering the overall positions or focusing on the negative. However, I agree that had Bruce gone to Craig, he may well have drawn attention to the mistake.
) in order to explain her score and consequent position on the leaderboard. Gavin, on the other hand, produced a greatly improved performance over the previous couple of weeks and the judges were able to score him accordingly without altering the overall positions or focusing on the negative. However, I agree that had Bruce gone to Craig, he may well have drawn attention to the mistake.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Dorabella is implying nothing of the sort - simply pointing out his day job which unlike anyone else left in the competition does not involve presentational skills.”
“Dorabella is implying nothing of the sort - simply pointing out his day job which unlike anyone else left in the competition does not involve presentational skills.”
It's still not an excuse, at this stage of the competition it doesn't matter how much work they have or what's their day job, they are all being judged equally so they all have to pull out the technique and the performance, the performance is something that Gavin is greatly missing but is something that the other four have mastered. Like Arlene said in her strictly report, Gavin has improved but it's too late now to take into account improvement.
I wish that Craig hadn't said the word 'wobble'. Now there are wobbles popping up everywhere. In fact, everyone, had a wobble. They all did well, though. Ann has gone so the worst wobble has gone for good. Lovely.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“He should be marked down if he makes a mistake. It isn't fair otherwise.”
“He should be marked down if he makes a mistake. It isn't fair otherwise.”
Originally Posted by dancefever:
“It's still not an excuse, at this stage of the competition it doesn't matter how much work they have or what's their day job, they are all being judged equally so they all have to pull out the technique and the performance, the performance is something that Gavin is greatly missing but is something that the other four have mastered. Like Arlene said in her strictly report, Gavin has improved but it's too late now to take into account improvement.”
“It's still not an excuse, at this stage of the competition it doesn't matter how much work they have or what's their day job, they are all being judged equally so they all have to pull out the technique and the performance, the performance is something that Gavin is greatly missing but is something that the other four have mastered. Like Arlene said in her strictly report, Gavin has improved but it's too late now to take into account improvement.”
Has anyone suggested that any deficiency should be favoured or excused?
He finished second from bottom last week - does that suggest that he was marked leniently?
I know there are better dancers - but for me Gavin is the only one who, starting from scratch, has made the most improvement and for as long as he's in the competition I'll put my money where my mouth is.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Has anyone suggested that any deficiency should be favoured or excused?
He finished second from bottom last week - does that suggest that he was marked leniently?
I know there are better dancers - but for me Gavin is the only one who, starting from scratch, has made the most improvement and for as long as he's in the competition I'll put my money where my mouth is.”
“Has anyone suggested that any deficiency should be favoured or excused?
He finished second from bottom last week - does that suggest that he was marked leniently?
I know there are better dancers - but for me Gavin is the only one who, starting from scratch, has made the most improvement and for as long as he's in the competition I'll put my money where my mouth is.”
He hasn't really improved though - his scores have been all over the place.
He's been incredibly inconsistent, and his Latin is absolutely horrible. His Ballroom hasn't even been that good overall.
He does the "little boy lost" act quite well, and he's got a nice body. That's really all he has going for him.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Has anyone suggested that any deficiency should be favoured or excused?
He finished second from bottom last week - does that suggest that he was marked leniently?
I know there are better dancers - but for me Gavin is the only one who, starting from scratch, has made the most improvement and for as long as he's in the competition I'll put my money where my mouth is.”
“Has anyone suggested that any deficiency should be favoured or excused?
He finished second from bottom last week - does that suggest that he was marked leniently?
I know there are better dancers - but for me Gavin is the only one who, starting from scratch, has made the most improvement and for as long as he's in the competition I'll put my money where my mouth is.”
He hasn't improved. He's one of those people who will never get what dancing is about and it's not a criticism. It's good to know that some of us will never be good at somethings.
I thought he would have and maybe should have gone weeks ago. Tina is a far better dancer and should have been in the competition up to this stage. If only she had been partnered with Darren.
Craig was asked explicitly why he hadn't given Kara a ten. The wobble - unseen on camera - was the reason. He wasn't commenting on everyone's complete list of faults or commenting on wobbles per se. As he gave Gav a 7, it's fair to assume he would have come up with a fair sized list of issues if he'd been asked why he didn't give him a ten.
Originally Posted by diva_moon:
“Judges comments on Kara's "huge wobble". I didn't even see it! Yet I did notice Gavin's entrance ending in a huge wobble! He slid and lost his balance at the end of it. He was stiff and awkward for a few turns after that. He regained confidence and ended well, but the start was really terrible, yet nobody even mentioned that!”
“Judges comments on Kara's "huge wobble". I didn't even see it! Yet I did notice Gavin's entrance ending in a huge wobble! He slid and lost his balance at the end of it. He was stiff and awkward for a few turns after that. He regained confidence and ended well, but the start was really terrible, yet nobody even mentioned that!”
Well none of them mentioned Pamelas stumble, which happened just as they were coming back past the Judges desk, and they got 4 10's. I didn't notice a wobble from Gavin. I'll try and get the chance to watch it again later. If he did wobble... well the judges by that time had been told to keep it short as they were running low on time (Craig didn't get the chance to comment at all) and may have decided to focus on his improvement. Besides, if the judges were going to point out every error in a routine, we'd have needed a 3 hour show just for comments on Anns dances.
Originally Posted by Paace:
“He hasn't improved. He's one of those people who will never get what dancing is about and it's not a criticism. It's good to know that some of us will never be good at somethings.
I thought he would have and maybe should have gone weeks ago. Tina is a far better dancer and should have been in the competition up to this stage. If only she had been partnered with Darren.”
“He hasn't improved. He's one of those people who will never get what dancing is about and it's not a criticism. It's good to know that some of us will never be good at somethings.
I thought he would have and maybe should have gone weeks ago. Tina is a far better dancer and should have been in the competition up to this stage. If only she had been partnered with Darren.”
Yes Tina did show more potential and either Darren or Vincent would have drawn the very best out of her.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“He hasn't really improved though - his scores have been all over the place.
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“He hasn't really improved though - his scores have been all over the place.
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Originally Posted by Paace:
“He hasn't improved. .”
“He hasn't improved. .”
Watch his week 1 dance again and tell me he hasn't improved.
I think some people have lost sight of what strictly come dancing is all about, its not all about the best dancers from the beginning and them all making it to the final and then winning. What I love about the show and is that it shows people who have no dancing ability or experience in the beginning and them making brilliant improvement! This is what I feel about Gavin, in the beginning he didnt have any idea about dancing or acting throughout the dance or have any natural rhythm but look at him now, he has made great improvement which has been seen by the public hence why he is in the semi-final and I for one would love to see him go through to the final.
Sure we all know he isnt as techincally good as the other 4 but in the beginning all of them 4 were already way ahead of gavin with their natural ability. Improvement wise he has come on loads and especially with his confidence, sure he puts on a front like he's confident all the time but anyone could see this wasnt the case in the beginning.
Therefore i think he does deserve a place in the final, despite maybe not getting as good scores from the judges. Fair enough the judges have to score on what they see but thats not why the public vote, they vote taking everything in to consideration and can vote on what they like, whether that be the best techincal dancer or not!
Sure we all know he isnt as techincally good as the other 4 but in the beginning all of them 4 were already way ahead of gavin with their natural ability. Improvement wise he has come on loads and especially with his confidence, sure he puts on a front like he's confident all the time but anyone could see this wasnt the case in the beginning.
Therefore i think he does deserve a place in the final, despite maybe not getting as good scores from the judges. Fair enough the judges have to score on what they see but thats not why the public vote, they vote taking everything in to consideration and can vote on what they like, whether that be the best techincal dancer or not!
I think Gavin is great and he has improved. The improvement in his dancing has been lovely to see but even better has been the improvement in his mental attitude towards the dances.
I can forgive a less good technique if someone is trying as hard as they can and throwing themselves into the whole experience wholeheartedly. I don't think he should win, but I do enjoy him being in the show.
I can forgive a less good technique if someone is trying as hard as they can and throwing themselves into the whole experience wholeheartedly. I don't think he should win, but I do enjoy him being in the show.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“None of them are professional dancers , so they should all be judged equally. You're implying that he should be given extra marks because he's a rugby player - how ludicrous.”
“None of them are professional dancers , so they should all be judged equally. You're implying that he should be given extra marks because he's a rugby player - how ludicrous.”
That's exactly what seems to be happening though.
Since week one, I've felt the criteria for marking Gavin has been different to the rest.
The likes of Matt and Kara have had points deducted because their fingers weren't shaped correctly or for the tiniest of wobbles. If Gavin lost points for these sorts of minor errors as well as everything else, he'd be be in minus figures!
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“I think Gavin is great and he has improved. The improvement in his dancing has been lovely to see but even better has been the improvement in his mental attitude towards the dances.
I can forgive a less good technique if someone is trying as hard as they can and throwing themselves into the whole experience wholeheartedly. I don't think he should win, but I do enjoy him being in the show.”
“I think Gavin is great and he has improved. The improvement in his dancing has been lovely to see but even better has been the improvement in his mental attitude towards the dances.
I can forgive a less good technique if someone is trying as hard as they can and throwing themselves into the whole experience wholeheartedly. I don't think he should win, but I do enjoy him being in the show.”
Oh I can understand the audience forgiving his poorer technique Star, because we vote based on a wide range of factors, but not the judges.
I dont think that is true, craig has been really harsh with gavin giving him a 3 when i think he gave ann a 2 the same week now come on but that it overly harsh! It's only alesha and bruno who have been generous however when are they not, I have seen them both be overly generous to other couples too!
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Oh I can understand the audience forgiving his poorer technique Star, because we vote based on a wide range of factors, but not the judges.”
“Oh I can understand the audience forgiving his poorer technique Star, because we vote based on a wide range of factors, but not the judges.”
Oh Sid, I love that you still have faith in the judges.
I am horribly cynical and I hate myself for it. (The Dishy Dane is an eternal optimist too He has to be being married to me ) I have given up trying to work out why they give the marks they do to all the dancers not just Gavin 
Also can i just add gavin is always 2nd to the bottom with the judges and will now most definetly be bottom so really what your saying doesnt make much sense there still always bottom with the judges and it the public who allow them to go through!
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