... so do you seriously think he cannot lift her because in your opinion she is solid. Again it's technique, and she isn't fat and he has already lifted her, so what is your point.

My point is that generally the show dance contains many very big lifts which they may find difficult. Of course some is technique but not all. I seem to remember Vincent not including many lifts with Natalie for the same reason in at least 1 of their dances?

Natalie didn't lose as much weight as Pamela (who I think has now quite a lovely figure, not painfully thin but a bit curvy), secondly James has already lifted Pamela (and she him), so comparing them to Vincent and Natalie (who didn't include many or even any lifts) is (excuse me I don't mean this offensively) pointless.

Thirdly, I don't want a routine with stupid lifts just for the sake of it (I loved Mark Ramprakash, but the lifts were over the top), last year Natalie had Ricky lift her over the head (which looked like weightlifting), Gavin's lift went wrong etc.

James is quite strong, he will be able to lift her, but maybe he will think in terms of choreography and won't include silly lifts just for the sake of it.

James has already lifted Pamela but not the type of lifts usually seen in the showdance. I'm sure if they get to the final he will make sure to only include lifts such as already been included in their dances. The worse scenario would be to try anything too daring and end up looking like Brendan's.

We agree there, this is always a possibility and all the other couples are in danger of doing this (e.g. Ricky and Natalie last year). I hope they won't. About the other point, I think we have to agree to disagree here. There is no evidence that James cannot lift Pamela, and I have already said what I think about this so called spectacular lifts. Additionally I believe that some of the lower lifts may be more difficult than some of the higher ones (speak to a weight lifter, if you can get the target high enough, you can lock your arms). Holding a weight on a lower level can be more difficult. I think I wait for one of the dance experts to cast doubt on James/Pamela's lift abilities.

Are big lifts essential for a successful show dance anyway? I don't remember any big ones in Camilla and Tom's: certainly any lifts weren't the focus of the dance - it was more about the storytelling – and Pamela and James have shown themselves to be rather good at that.

I agree that lifts are not the be all and end of of ashowdance. I think we all remember Lisa and Brendan Less lifts there would have been a blessing.

Lifts are over rated. If they fit in with the dance then they can be lovely but just flinging someone randomly into the air every once in a while is pointless and actually often spoils the flow of a routine. Of course as the audience clap like performing seals everytime someone so much as lifts their feet off the floor then I suspect we will have many lifts to 'look forward' to

Kara by a country mile.

The show dance especially should flow from one thing to the next and compliment the talent of the celebrity.

Most winners have managed this really well.

Kara. The prospect of Pamela Stephenson in any way representing my gender is horrifying.

Kara, definitely

Oh yes, I don't want to be represented in any way by Pamela.

Both. Both are awesome and I love them!

Kara. I can't understand why the judges don't rave about her the way they do Pamela. Yes, Pamela is brilliant in her spins and shapings, amazingly strong and supple for 61, and the joy she obviously feels when she dances is wonderful to see. But Kara is just in another league again - she just looks perfect, to me.

Kara all the way

Kara yay, Pamela nay!

I think you'll find she's not married to an 'icon'....not exactly my cup of tea, and i'm scottish!

its all people politics...plain and very seemples....

Totally agree!

agree with ya reclinewithme

but you know what us british are like we like the under dog and the one that has the JOURNEY!:yawn: lol not me though why cant the best dancer win isnt that what the show is about call me naive?!

This.

Although I'd rather have them both in the final with Matt.

I love the lift's that Kara did in her salsa, they worked completely with the dance. So did Matt's in his AS.

I think the way James choreographs the lifts won't take over, if lifts are there then they fit in the dance not the other way round.

Kara definitely. Don't rate Pamela much. I actually think she peaked at the beginning and I haven't seen much improvement. She's been overmarked way too much in the last few weeks.Kara has been undermarked from the start.

I don't remember any of the lifts this year, apart from Gavin's mishap. Must look them up on youtube. Actually the fact that i don't remember them is a good thing IMO, because it means they must have fitted the dance.

I agree about the last bit as well.

100% agree.

Kara, by far. I don't quite get what people see in Pamela, I have thought that she is has been overmarked many times.