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Chris's decision on the 20% - a shrewd move |
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The point is Chris knew he was offering a very good deal. He wanted to be certain of getting the agency on side. He said as much when telling Joanna what he'd agreed. It was a gamble but he understood that having the ticket agent would make a win nearly certain.
He offered them something which sounded very generous, but actually probably didn't earn the agent much different to the normal 35% on their own sales. There's something odd going on with Christopher. He's the only one left with a degree. According to one online CV , its a first (how on earth is another issue) His performances have ranged from mediocre to dire, but he's still there when people who made fewer mistakes are not. He's also attracting no negative attention and snide remarks from Sugar for his degree or his banking background. He's looking more and more like another Simon - if less capable. You have to wonder what the job is again. If he is in Sugar's frame to win that may explain why its felt necessary to give him praise (again) for what looks like making up a figure and leaping off a cliff with it - alternatively if LS thinks he's making wise decisions, when in fact its random whether he is right or horribly wrong, that may expalin why LS thinks he is good. |
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#52 |
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The more I think about it the more I'm wondering what anyone did on either team.
Now it feels as if they were all given some costumes and told to go and have a bit of fun. Because as you say it seems more down to blind luck as nobody really knows how all these tickets got sold. For all we know most of the selling could have been taken out of their hands and everything was dependent on how many tickets the agency sold.. |
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It was luck.
The same as when Chris told all those ridiculous porkies last week to get the items on the list. |
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It was stupid, I'm surprised Lord Sugar didn't criticize the team because they would have made much more money if they hadn't had done this deal. Also if it hadn't worked Lord Sugar would have torn Chris apart!
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Was it unprofessional of Joanna to try to claw back the 20% on everything that Chris agreed, to 20% of ticket sales? I dont think so, given he hadnt agreed it with her and it was, therefore, a mistake. Surprised that Sirralun said that. If they had lost the task, he would have fired Chris for that, or Joanna for not correcting the mistake
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worked out well but i dont think chris had a clue what he had agreed too in a tactical sense, just lucked out in the end
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I thought and still think that is was an accident that turned out well. I didn't get the sense that he knew what he was doing at the negotiation.
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Had his team lost Chris would have gone for that.
20% on everything - even tips - was just ludicrous! I don't even think he knew what he had agreed to. It was just blind luck IMO. |
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I think he got lucky...look at him when he was negotiating this and it was clear he was out of his depth, flustered and didn't have a clur.
But sometimes success is dependen on luck. totally agree |
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In other words, it was like having an extra team on board.
Whether Chris new this before or not is another thing. |
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I don't even think he knew what he had agreed to. It was just blind luck IMO.
When they picked up on this seconds later and tried to clarify it he didn;t seem to get what they were talking about and it seemed to us that in his mind he was just offering them 20% commission just on their sales. If I am wrong then I appologise for doing him such a disservice
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I also think he was trying to do anything just to stop the other team getting the agency. He seemed to be happy with anything.
I dont think Joanna was trying to scupper the deal just to redo it. |
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Was it unprofessional of Joanna to try to claw back the 20% on everything that Chris agreed, to 20% of ticket sales? I dont think so, given he hadnt agreed it with her and it was, therefore, a mistake. Surprised that Sirralun said that. If they had lost the task, he would have fired Chris for that, or Joanna for not correcting the mistake
The PM should have taken the matter internally within the company and disciplined the individual for acting out of hand. To go back and try and re-negotiate would have normally lost them the business entirely. Joana saw that the deal had been done and the exclusivity was secured but tried to pull a fast one and gain credit for changing the terms and earning more money. If she didn't trust Chris to make the deal, why send him? |
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come on folks - he struck lucky with an unintended consequence - I was inclined to think it was going to cost them the task - he lucked out.
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It was only a shrewd move because they won. I don't think Chris realised what he had given away in terms of money.
He got lucky, He would have been crucified for that decision if they'd lost. |
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Chris did not mean to pull off this masterstroke, that much is certain.
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Had his team lost Chris would have gone for that.
20% on everything - even tips - was just ludicrous! I don't even think he knew what he had agreed to. It was just blind luck IMO. it was a calculated risk which is essentially what business is. If they had lost then the sums would have been done to see if his 20% had increased or decreased the commission overall that they paid. It's simple maths don't know why they couldn't just tell us in the show .
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That's how LA had to spin it to jusify why he'll end up employing Chris perhaps. It wasn't a conscious tactic on Chris' part - he was just lucky it paid off...
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I dont think it was a shrewd decision it was just luck, and lets be honest it was not his decision to make he should have called first. Anyhoo it worked out in his favour this time...
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For a banker Chris comes across as quite dim. The tour company could not beleive their luck when they received that offer. He didnt know he was 'taking a gamble' and Sugar didn't need to lavish any praise onto him.
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Was it unprofessional of Joanna to try to claw back the 20% on everything that Chris agreed, to 20% of ticket sales? I dont think so, given he hadnt agreed it with her and it was, therefore, a mistake. Surprised that Sirralun said that. If they had lost the task, he would have fired Chris for that, or Joanna for not correcting the mistake
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For a banker Chris comes across as quite dim. The tour company could not beleive their luck when they received that offer. He didnt know he was 'taking a gamble' and Sugar didn't need to lavish any praise onto him.
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He got away with it in the context of a one day task but it was shocking business. In the long term the business wouldn't have made very much money at all. Chris is an idiot who got lucky no matter how Sugar tries to spin it.
You tell someone that, even if you don't bother to do any work, we will give you 20% of our takings. No wonder the both of them looked pleased. They literally had to do nothing to earn 20% of the takings. If it took off, they would then big it up to earn even more money. The only way it could be seen as a "shrewd business move" was if it were time limited, to provide an initial lauch pad for the business. Chris got lucky! |
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Was it unprofessional of Joanna to try to claw back the 20% on everything that Chris agreed, to 20% of ticket sales? I dont think so, given he hadnt agreed it with her and it was, therefore, a mistake. Surprised that Sirralun said that. If they had lost the task, he would have fired Chris for that, or Joanna for not correcting the mistake
Joanna can't do any right and Chris can't do any wrong.:yawn: |
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He so obviously just got lucky IMO.
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