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Old 08-12-2010, 23:33
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Is this the £3m turnover company?

I also like how they offer 'dedicated bandwidth' when in actual fact it's shared bandwidth as it has contention of 10:1...
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:34
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He said he was a director.
He said he was the director of, not a director in.
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:42
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He said he was the director of, not a director in.
Indeed. That still does not translate as him being the head of the company. Directors can have many different roles and there can be more than one in a company. Whether he used in or of to prefix his role as director does not really add anything to what his actual role is. If he genuinally was the head of the company I think he would have been very blunt in his answer.

Stuart big himself up and is full of bravado but his words were clear. Director of company with the turnover of 3m and also he has started his own company with no mention of figures for that(unless I missed more on that). It could mean many different things.
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:42
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I think his parents have a lot more to do with it than he's letting on - if you've bought a flat and flash cars completely on your own at 21 there's no WAY you'd go and be a salaried worker, no way
You're right.
Why would you?

I haven't been on the forum much so I apologise for not being up to date on here, but I'm sure I remember a clip of Alan Sugar saying to one of the contestants "You're a joke" and looked like he was just about to fire somebody.

Could this be something that happens next week?
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:45
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Wasn't it Jamie who commented on them picking an error in the CV and blowing it up to black hole size?
I don't think Jamie was speaking of an error in that sense.
I think he meant a genuine weakness on a CV. Say for example you were unemployed for a few years or something such as that.
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:45
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You're right.
Why would you?

I haven't been on the forum much so I apologise for not being up to date on here, but I'm sure I remember a clip of Alan Sugar saying to one of the contestants "You're a joke" and looked like he was just about to fire somebody.

Could this be something that happens next week?
It's possible. For me, the final clip showed Sugar giving a very forceful and disdainful you're fired. Like he was very upset or angry over something.
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:46
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He said he was the director of, not a director in.

True. A Director is often the third tier in a company (President/CEO, Vice-Presidents/Vice-CEO, Directors). And there can be lots of Directors and VPs.

He said director of, and was clearly presenting himself as Head Cheese.
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:54
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It's possible. For me, the final clip showed Sugar giving a very forceful and disdainful you're fired. Like he was very upset or angry over something.
Hmm, you raise a good point there. I think Alan would only give harsh comments out in that kind of fashion if they've fought on a lie or try and dig themselves out of something.

I guess you have to look at the remaining candidates and think which of them are most likely to be called a joke by Alan? He is always polite to the 'nice' people and points out to them that it's no hard feeling, you're just not cut out for it, for me that eliminates a harsh bollocking to Stella and probably Chris as well. Unless they're hiding something...
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Old 08-12-2010, 23:58
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Exactly what I thought, especially when Lord Sugar stressed that he didn't think he was lying and was really complimentary about his successes. I think if the guy has lied then LS will be very angry for being made to look stupid.
He might already know.

The way Lord Sugar brought up the question about Stuart's achievements tonight made me think "Hmm".
I just got the sense that we were being primed with something that we wouldn't forget in the future.

I remember there being dramatic value when Lee told a porky on his CV.
I can see them learning from this that things like that can make for very good television.

Every year we see some things that are familiar aspects to the show because we see them most years or even every year.
The exclusivity contract in a task is often a team's undoing.
An advert that looks great but doesn't identify the product properly.
We know that a contestant with medical training will get fired.
A lawyer will get fired.
An ex military type will get fired.
All for pretty much the same sorts as reasons as last year's respective archetype.
These are just some of the things about this show which have become familiar to us now.

Now we have a new archetype to be entertained with...the CV liar.

I've just got a feeling that this is the way things are pointing toward right now.

I think we've just been set up and primed for next week and will find it highly entertaining to see what unfolds in front of us.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:02
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True. A Director is often the third tier in a company (President/CEO, Vice-Presidents/Vice-CEO, Directors). And there can be lots of Directors and VPs.

He said director of, and was clearly presenting himself as Head Cheese.
presidents are american, and are the same as directors.

a company is run by a board of directors - but yes, sayuing he was a director isn't the same as saying its "his" company.

the general thing is, though, that any suprememly qualified candidate (eg merchant bankers!) would already be earning far more than 100K - why would they be bothered?
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:05
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He might already know.

The way Lord Sugar brought up the question about Stuart's achievements tonight made me think "Hmm".
I just got the sense that we were being primed with something that we wouldn't forget in the future.

I remember there being dramatic value when Lee told a porky on his CV.
I can see them learning from this that things like that can make for very good television.

Every year we see some things that are familiar aspects to the show because we see them most years or even every year.
The exclusivity contract in a task is often a team's undoing.
An advert that looks great but doesn't identify the product properly.
We know that a contestant with medical training will get fired.
A lawyer will get fired.
An ex military type will get fired.
All for pretty much the same sorts as reasons as last year's respective archetype.
These are just some of the things about this show which have become familiar to us now.

Now we have a new archetype to be entertained with...the CV liar.

I've just got a feeling that this is the way things are pointing toward right now.

I think we've just been set up and primed for next week and will find it highly entertaining to see what unfolds in front of us.
CV Liars:

CV liars should be fired on the spot. No way Lee should have won after that. Awful decision by Sugar.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:06
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presidents are american, and are the same as directors.

a company is run by a board of directors - but yes, sayuing he was a director isn't the same as saying its "his" company.

the general thing is, though, that any suprememly qualified candidate (eg merchant bankers!) would already be earning far more than 100K - why would they be bothered?
This is true but you have to remember the difference between public and private companies.

Public companies, whom are floated on the stock market, will employ shit hot directors for big money who have a big responsibilities. There is no way Stuart is such a director.

A director of a private company can be any joker who has some form of connection or interest in it. At the end of the day, the main benefit of being a company, whether public or private, is to limit liabilities to the company alone and protect the individuals involved, so the role and quality of directors can vary hugely.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:10
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As I see it, Stuart is a very strong willed businessman who's determined to make a fortune during his lifetime. He's only 21 and will have plenty of opportunities in the future, so a few years working for Alan Sugar will be more beneficial for him in the long term than earning a bit more money now.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:12
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presidents are american, and are the same as directors.

a company is run by a board of directors - but yes, sayuing he was a director isn't the same as saying its "his" company.

the general thing is, though, that any suprememly qualified candidate (eg merchant bankers!) would already be earning far more than 100K - why would they be bothered?


I gave both CEO and President, as they're essentially the same thing, although Presidents aren't at all uncommon in the UK now.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:14
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I think we've just been set up and primed for next week and will find it highly entertaining to see what unfolds in front of us.
Totally agree. The whole thing was telegraphed somewhat.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:15
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As I see it, Stuart is a very strong willed businessman who's determined to make a fortune during his lifetime. He's only 21 and will have plenty of opportunities in the future, so a few years working for Alan Sugar will be more beneficial for him in the long term than earning a bit more money now.
He won't be making much money now with the Bluewave company in my opinion.

It's very Isle of Man focussed, it's a completely swamped marketplace in the UK so only has any potential to get ground in the Isle of Man, which has a population of just 80,000. Not much room for growth at all. I guess that's why the big UK operators haven't bothered entering that market as they don't see a good ROI.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:30
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He won't be making much money now with the Bluewave company in my opinion.

It's very Isle of Man focussed, it's a completely swamped marketplace in the UK so only has any potential to get ground in the Isle of Man, which has a population of just 80,000. Not much room for growth at all. I guess that's why the big UK operators haven't bothered entering that market as they don't see a good ROI.
There are two major mobile companies on the Isle of Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sure_(Cable_%26_Wireless)

Neither of them are Stuart's. I'm guessing he probably has a market share of a few thousand phones, at most.
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:34
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Stuart Baggs was a 21-year-old telecoms entrepreneur living in the Isle of Man when he entered The Apprentice series 6.

Born in Plymouth, Stuart Baggs, in 2010, became The Apprentice's youngest ever candidate.

He studied at Ramsey Grammar School. The Sun quoted one former schoolmate of Stuart Baggs as saying he looked down on people because his parents had money.

Stuart Baggs launched his own telecommunications company at the age of 18.

He had started Bluewave Communications when he was just 13, but launched it as a limited company on his 18th birthday. The company distributes SIM cards in the Isle of Man.
So he does own this company then?

I checked out the company's website, and Stuart last submitted a blog on the 3rd of December 2010. So we can deduce from that that Stuart has maintained his position at Bluewave? Can we therefore assume that Stuart didn't win The Apprentice?

(Or is AS ok with paying £100,000 per year for a full time job to a person who also works elsewhere? If this is indeed the case, then the point (which I myself raised earlier) about him leaving his current job for (possibly) a lower paid job becomes irrelevent.)
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Old 09-12-2010, 00:36
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So he does own this company then?

I checked out the company's website, and Stuart last submitted a blog on the 3rd of December 2010. So we can deduce from that that Stuart has maintained his position at Bluewave? Can we therefore assume that Stuart didn't win The Apprentice?

(Or is AS ok with paying £100,000 per year for a full time job to a person who also works elsewhere? If this is indeed the case, then the point (which I myself raised earlier) about him leaving his current job for (possibly) a lower paid job becomes irrelevent.)

The job only starts after the completion of the series.
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:55
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If you all want to know the nitty-gritty, I suggest you might find some useful facts about his company via this link:

http://www.gov.im/ded/pvi/pvi_fr.html

At just £1.15 per document, you'll get all the facts you need.
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Old 09-12-2010, 08:49
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Indeed. That still does not translate as him being the head of the company. Directors can have many different roles and there can be more than one in a company. Whether he used in or of to prefix his role as director does not really add anything to what his actual role is. If he genuinally was the head of the company I think he would have been very blunt in his answer.
Have you followed the links posted in this thread? The story is that he set up the company when he was 13, and that he launched it as a limited company in 2007 when he was 18. I see no reason to suppose that the story is that it is anything other than his company.

He's claiming to have recently set up a second company, too.
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:40
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I'm a company director and indeed Company Secretary registered at Companies House! Big deal. I own half the shares in the company. Which MAY be a big deal. ;o) Or may not.

I am in the process of becoming a director of another company also. How dynamic and entrepreneurial am I???!! Plus I have a job and am employed by yet someone else. But a Lordalan-alike I am not. Anyone can be a director!
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:56
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Did not watch YF tonight so have I missed something?

Has someone definitely lied alot on their CV? It would tally with how angry Sugar looked in the preview on the last clip.
Jamie (I think) made a comment in the preview about a clear lie on a CV they'd just learned about.
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:12
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I'm waiting for the line:

"Are you are rough diamond, or just rough?".
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Old 09-12-2010, 10:29
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In the boardroom a couple of episodes back, Jamie was trying to justify not being fired. He'd said---I was 24 when I started my first...(hesitates)....my company.......

Made me wonder why he corrected himself and what was he going to say originally but suddenly changed his mind about it?
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