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Old 09-12-2010, 20:03
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OMG that's terrible isn't it?

Anymore of them ?? I know I shouldn't but I love to see I've searched but can't find any more is it just her that's on there?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 09-12-2010, 20:04
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It doesn't give any spoilers as to who will leave so there is no problem with it really!
There may not be a problem with it for you but some people like to come to the programme fresh with no foreknowledge of any of the material to be transmitted.

Anyway, a warning isn't going to hurt anyone and may save someone from seeing something they'd prefer to leave 'until the day'.
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Old 09-12-2010, 20:19
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There may not be a problem with it for you but some people like to come to the programme fresh with no foreknowledge of any of the material to be transmitted.

Anyway, a warning isn't going to hurt anyone and may save someone from seeing something they'd prefer to leave 'until the day'.
As I said. There is no spoiler and it is no different to seeing a trailer on tv. Also if people prefer not have any foreknowledge before the progamme, there would be foolish to come onto a forum that discusses it,

Unfortunately, Joanna appears in a very bad light in this clip. Such a shame that she didn't even know the basics of who she wants to work for.
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Old 09-12-2010, 20:25
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As I said. There is no spoiler and it is no different to seeing a trailer on tv.
Actually it is.

They are very careful not to give too much away in the trailers.

Also if people prefer not have any foreknowledge before the progamme, there would be foolish to come onto a forum that discusses it,
No true. (As you know perfectly well )

Most people are very careful to put SPOILER' in the title when there is any danger of giving away information from coming episodes.

Unfortunately, Joanna appears in a very bad light in this clip. Such a shame that she didn't even know the basics of who she wants to work for.
Don't worry, I've no doubt that the others will make gaffes that are as least as bad.
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Old 09-12-2010, 20:27
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she is much smarter than that jamiepersonally dont care whether people are harsh on him he shouldnt evan be in the competition.
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Old 09-12-2010, 21:19
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She's capable, but she needs to learn to calm down. I don't think she is Apprentice material.
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Old 09-12-2010, 21:38
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She's capable, but she needs to learn to calm down. I don't think she is Apprentice material.
I agree she's very very capable. BUT I really didn't like her when she was badgering Jamie.

It seemed very very manipulative to me. I'd be concerned about working for her or for her working for me.

I prefer honesty and tbh I didn't think that was an honest way to behave.

It's difficult because I do like her and feel that she's worked really hard in her life. But there are many hard workers out there.
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Old 09-12-2010, 21:45
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For some reason, I'm really starting to like Joanna she's my second favourite behind Stella now.
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Old 09-12-2010, 22:04
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She will be in the Final no doubt about it.
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Old 09-12-2010, 22:26
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Old 09-12-2010, 23:59
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I thought the "will you calm down? you seem mad" comment she made after riling him up was a wonderful example of moving the 'art' of trolling into the realm of real life.
Hi Tom, it was quite a scene which isn't that unusual when females fly off the handle at someone who has enraged them over something.
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Old 10-12-2010, 00:13
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I agree she's very very capable. BUT I really didn't like her when she was badgering Jamie.

It seemed very very manipulative to me. I'd be concerned about working for her or for her working for me.

I prefer honesty and tbh I didn't think that was an honest way to behave.

It's difficult because I do like her and feel that she's worked really hard in her life. But there are many hard workers out there.
Hi, was thinking of that scene, and it came to me maybe she saw him as a naughty child, and chided him for his misdemeanour. Mind you he could have tried to calm her down in a pleasant way, which would have diffused the situation.

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Old 10-12-2010, 10:57
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I understood the encounter with Jamie as her getting more and more frustrated with his lack of input or response when she was originally saying 'if you're not up to doing it, then let me know now' and he just smiled at her in a cocky way. That would have made me want to punch his lights out. He can't deal with any kind of criticism.

However, she then proceeded to pick at him which was annoying, and wound him up. ..
I agree with this. Joanna was panicking, because she was certain she would be the one to go if the team failed. She thought he might balls it up for her. She wanted to leave nothing to chance. I think he was deliberately winding her up, by refusing to put her mind at rest. His strength is mind games, as we saw from the negotiation last week. I think he expected her to give up, but she is nothing if not persistent. He then got angry. And while I don't think he was in any way physically frightening, there is something psychologically intimidating about him and I don't think she was making it up when she said she was scared.
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:18
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I thought it was very low of Joanna to say she felt 'fretuned' by Jamie. In what was transmitted he came over as sulky, and quite pissed off, but we didn't see anything that looked agressive.

I thought she had taken on board the comments made early in the process, but it shows that makes personality changes takes a long time and the bad traits will never be entirely earsed.

The youtube clip is a bit even if she didn't know LS's companies prior to the process, knowing the interviews were coming you'd think she'd have spent some of the last 10 weeks finding out. This is where people like stubaggs excel because they will know everything there is to know about LS - to the extent its creepy!
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:26
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I thought it was very low of Joanna to say she felt 'fretuned' by Jamie. In what was transmitted he came over as sulky, and quite pissed off, but we didn't see anything that looked agressive.
I think it's salient that they didn't show what led up to the confrontation.

Without that we have no way of knowing whether Joanne's reaction was reasonable.

Then we have to ask ourselves this: "Are the production company so incompetent that they left out a vital piece of of the scene accidentally or were they trying to manipulate the viewers in some way."

Given that they edited that part of the task to focus on Joanna repeatedly asking Jamie questions (so that it looked as if she was harassing him) but never showed her getting proper answers I'd go with the latter.

Given that she seemed, up to that point, to be the strongest candidate by a country mile (She had three times more support on this site than her nearest rival before that task was transmitted), I wonder if they didn't highlight that to try and throw us off the scent.
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:51
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Watch out, someone will be along to imply that you're racist soon. "Would you be reacting this way if she was WHITE!?" they'll say. (Then ignore that the answer is "of course I would be.")
Really the fact that you brought up race when no one else did says more about YOU then it does about the op.

Please update your thinking it is the 21st century.
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Old 10-12-2010, 11:54
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I understood the encounter with Jamie as her getting more and more frustrated with his lack of input or response when she was originally saying 'if you're not up to doing it, then let me know now' and he just smiled at her in a cocky way. That would have made me want to punch his lights out. He can't deal with any kind of criticism.

However, she then proceeded to pick at him which was annoying, and wound him up. But, I think overall she's been a very good candidate and worked well with people on the whole, so this was a bad incident amidst the rest of the good. And I don't believe she was that aggressive in the first two episodes, she was a strong minded individual amongst a load of weak players and got frustrated. The label 'aggressive' was very harsh. She was honest and fought her corner. Aggression was more like Debra Barr the year before, Joanna hasn't displayed qualities like her's at all. I hope Joanna wins because she's not the finished product but you can see she has a huge amount of business acumen.
I completely agree with this statement. I personally think Joanna was throwing his aggressive comment back in his face. He knew she was labelled aggressive and he sees her as competition. Joanna is annoying yes, but not aggressive. Stuart is though.
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Old 10-12-2010, 13:42
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Thanks very very much.

If you get any more please please let me know.

That one's well funny. Margaret is 'NOT AMUSED' LOL.
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Old 10-12-2010, 14:42
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She is hugely annoying, and the thing that annoys me about her more than anything else is her deportment.

I have never seen a candidate on The Apprentice slouch so much.

It's such an awkward stance to observe. It is the sort of posture one would expect to find behind a chip shop counter in the early hours of the morning.

The net effect is one of complete passive-aggressive posturing, from her toes to her mouth to her shoulders.

And I for one don't like it madam. Sit up straight.
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Old 10-12-2010, 16:06
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Why do people rate her, she's an aggressive bully.
I wouldn't say that. I'd call her a pain in the ar*e.

Her voice doesn't help but you can't hold that against her.
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:08
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I don't believe there was anything of substance cut from that scene, the only reason to think there was is due to Joannas statement that she felt scared, it was pure manipulation and a complete lie, if you want evidence look at Nicks reaction in the background, it is one of pure disgust, and rightly so.
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:25
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I don't believe there was anything of substance cut from that scene, the only reason to think there was is due to Joannas statement that she felt scared, it was pure manipulation and a complete lie
If he did nothing, why didn't they show the lead up so that it would be obvious that Joanna was overreacting? You are simply speculating and, I would strongly suspect, allowing you extant prejudices to lead you to a conformational bias. We simply don't know what happened but it's downright suspicious that the edited the scene in such a way that we do not have the required information to make a credible judgement - unless we want to play to our prejudices.

if you want evidence look at Nicks reaction in the background, it is one of pure disgust, and rightly so.
LOL.

Conformational bias again, I'm afraid. For one thing, that's Nick's standard reaction to pretty much everything. For another, even if he is registering disapproval, because we didn't see the lead up we don't know of whom he is showing disapproval. We basically just have to ask ourselves which is most likely:

1) That Jamie did nothing that could have been considered threatening and the production company were so incompetent that they failed to portray that and left the scene ambiguous.

2) That they knew exactly what they were doing and excised the footage of Jamie acting belligerently in order to manipulate the viewers.
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:58
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If he did nothing, why didn't they show the lead up so that it would be obvious that Joanna was overreacting? You are simply speculating and, I would strongly suspect, allowing you extant prejudices to lead you to a conformational bias. We simply don't know what happened but it's downright suspicious that the edited the scene in such a way that we do not have the required information to make a credible judgement - unless we want to play to our prejudices..
We prettty much saw the whole thing from getting off the bus to the pub including crossing London Bridge. The whole way through she was henpecking him. She didnt relent/

She has no reading of human behaviour. If she stopped the harassment then maybe he would be inclined to talk to her. Instead, he clammed up because he knew if he did answer her it would result in a row. She didnt read it, she pushed and pushed and pushed until he exploded at her.

Then she despicably played the victim. We saw the entire thing.

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If .That they knew exactly what they were doing and excised the footage of Jamie acting belligerently in order to manipulate the viewers.
But we did see the whole thing. From getting off the bus, across London Bridge, across the road to the pub where he finally had enough.

Why would Nick look disgusted if he wasnt disgusted by her behaviour. If she had spoken to me like that in real life then I would have had a word with her manager. First rule of the workplace is treat your colleagues with respect. She treats them like dogs.

Some people would stick u for Joanna if she cut up little puppies. I am looking forward to her getting humilated on Wednesday.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:33
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We prettty much saw the whole thing from getting off the bus to the pub including crossing London Bridge. The whole way through she was henpecking him. She didnt relent/
Can you not understand that seeing 'pretty much the whole thing' is not 'seeing the whole thing'?

We see Joanna making a perfectly reasonable point that a tour group will not expect to walk any distance without hearing anything.

Instead of telling her his plan (if he had one) he just brushes her objection aside, eventually crossing a road against a red signal leaving Joanna behind.

He does a piece to camera complaining about her behaviour but the producers do not give her any chance to put her side.

That's pretty blatant manipulation. We do know - if we saw the profiles yesterday - that others say that Jamie (having run his own company for some years) finds it very hard when he isn't the top dog. This shows up in the segment as he's doing his best to ignore Joanna who's effectively his boss on this task.

She has no reading of human behaviour. If she stopped the harassment then maybe he would be inclined to talk to her. Instead, he clammed up because he knew if he did answer her it would result in a row. She didnt read it, she pushed and pushed and pushed until he exploded at her.
Or, if you give it to a different spin doctor:

"He has no reading of human behaviour. If he stopped ignoring her then maybe she would be inclined to let him get on with it. Instead, he clammed up because he just wasn't prepared to acknowledge that he wasn't the boss on this task. He didn't read it, she kept pushing for the information she was entitled to as team leader until he could no longer contain his suppressed aggression and exploded at her making a violent movement with his arm that scared her.

(I don't believe for a minute that he had any intention of scaring her.)

Then she despicably played the victim. We saw the entire thing.

But we did see the whole thing. From getting off the bus, across London Bridge, across the road to the pub where he finally had enough.

Repeating something that isn't true will not make it true.

We very clearly did not see the whole thing. There was a big gap in the middle.

Why would Nick look disgusted if he wasnt disgusted by her behaviour.
Because he was disgusted with Jamie's behaviour?

Because he was disgusted with the pair of them?

Again, you are experiencing conformational bias in that you are taking incomplete information and fitting it to what you want to believe.

If she had spoken to me like that in real life then I would have had a word with her manager.
Who would probably have given you a talk about respecting the assigned role of you manager and given you a little warning about refraining from uncooperative behaviour in future.

First rule of the workplace is treat your colleagues with respect.
Exactly! And that includes having respect for your assigned superior and giving them the information they ask for rather than brushing them off as if you are in charge and they are an irrelevance.

Some people would stick u for Joanna if she cut up little puppies.
Idle speculation as she hasn't shown any tendencies to do anything of the sort.

I think you should realise the difference between trying to take a dispassionate view of what you are shown and apply some intelligence and just looking at what you see and spinning it to go along with you current prejudices.

I am looking forward to her getting humilated on Wednesday.
The fact that you are looking forward to seeing someone humiliated probably tells us a good deal more about you than it does about them.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:38
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If he did nothing, why didn't they show the lead up so that it would be obvious that Joanna was overreacting? You are simply speculating and, I would strongly suspect, allowing you extant prejudices to lead you to a conformational bias. We simply don't know what happened but it's downright suspicious that the edited the scene in such a way that we do not have the required information to make a credible judgement - unless we want to play to our prejudices.



LOL.

Conformational bias again, I'm afraid. For one thing, that's Nick's standard reaction to pretty much everything. For another, even if he is registering disapproval, because we didn't see the lead up we don't know of whom he is showing disapproval. We basically just have to ask ourselves which is most likely:

1) That Jamie did nothing that could have been considered threatening and the production company were so incompetent that they failed to portray that and left the scene ambiguous.

2) That they knew exactly what they were doing and excised the footage of Jamie acting belligerently in order to manipulate the viewers.
If anyone is showing bias it's you, I'm basing what I say on what we have all seen, you're basing your position on some supposedly terrible act which was cut, the problem is if he'd really exploded that would make compelling television and would not be cut by producers, also if a male contestant genuinely behaved in a threatening manner toward a female competitor we all know that candidate would be booted off the show, this hasnt happened.

In addition Nick was looking directly at Joanna while reacting so its clear whom he disapproved off. To believe otherwise is to surrender to your imagination. Joanna's behavior was rude agressive and frankly indefensible, but I'm sure you'll try with further imagined scenarios.
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