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Give the lad a break
I've followed threads in this forum for much of this series and enjoyed a lot of the different opinions and comments that people have offered. I felt moved to actually create an account and post this in light of the 'criticism' that Stuart Baggs has come in for from posters and on the YF show.
It strikes me as being indicative of the general attitude of people in this country (not all mind) that those people who have a go, put themselves out there, and ultimately succeed (in relative terms to those that don't try) get pilloried for doing so. Look at Stuart, yes he is a bit of a prat but I could point you in the direction of far worse 21 year olds. He has "grafted" and earnt his lifestyle- fair play to him for building a company that turned over £3m (I dont doubt this will get serious attention during the interviews.) I rate Stuart, he is intelligent, aware, ruthless (perhaps too much at the minute) and he is infectiously enthusiastic. The things he falls down on can be knocked out of him, the talents he has are difficult to teach. I really hope that he gets the recognition he deserves- sadly there are many 21 year olds who have no sense of the concept of "earning money" and spend their days in a warm room playing games. Why is it that his faults are constantly picked at whilst there is very little mention of what he has actually done well. I think this is a reflection of his strength as a candidate- he makes people feel bad because of what he has achieved and the confidence it has given him. You can't help but compare yourself at 21, oddly most people seem to think that because they were hammered most nights and had a great laugh that their experience was somehow better than his. I'm not of that opinion. I hope that he gets treated well on YF, I'm far more impressed by someone who gets out there and gives everything to improving themselves rather than those who make a living making fun out of other people. The attitude that many have displayed disappoints me- it's ultimately the reason so many don't have a go at living their dream because they don't want to get shot down by the people around them. |
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I hope that he gets treated well on YF, I'm far more impressed by someone who gets out there and gives everything to improving themselves rather than those who make a living making fun out of other people.
As for Baggs, for all his faults I like him and I reckon it would have been quite a dull series 6 without him.
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Some good points.
LS called him a "loose cannon" last night. As a young twenty something, the MD of the company I was working for told me I was a "loose cannon" and he didn't like that in his business. I was quite offended at the time. It really just means that you have your own ideas about how things should be instead of just getting on with what you're told to do. Add to that a bit of immaturity and you get Stu - a million ideas in his head, some crazy, some good but expressed in an over-enthusiastic, naive way. I think Stu would get quite frustrated working for LS and LS may already realise that because he was once that way himself. Actually, firing Stu may be the kindest thing he could do and could actually be in Stu's longer term interest. |
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I've followed threads in this forum for much of this series and enjoyed a lot of the different opinions and comments that people have offered. I felt moved to actually create an account and post this in light of the 'criticism' that Stuart Baggs has come in for from posters and on the YF show.
It strikes me as being indicative of the general attitude of people in this country (not all mind) that those people who have a go, put themselves out there, and ultimately succeed (in relative terms to those that don't try) get pilloried for doing so. Look at Stuart, yes he is a bit of a prat but I could point you in the direction of far worse 21 year olds. He has "grafted" and earnt his lifestyle- fair play to him for building a company that turned over £3m (I dont doubt this will get serious attention during the interviews.) I rate Stuart, he is intelligent, aware, ruthless (perhaps too much at the minute) and he is infectiously enthusiastic. The things he falls down on can be knocked out of him, the talents he has are difficult to teach. I really hope that he gets the recognition he deserves- sadly there are many 21 year olds who have no sense of the concept of "earning money" and spend their days in a warm room playing games. Why is it that his faults are constantly picked at whilst there is very little mention of what he has actually done well. I think this is a reflection of his strength as a candidate- he makes people feel bad because of what he has achieved and the confidence it has given him. You can't help but compare yourself at 21, oddly most people seem to think that because they were hammered most nights and had a great laugh that their experience was somehow better than his. I'm not of that opinion. I hope that he gets treated well on YF, I'm far more impressed by someone who gets out there and gives everything to improving themselves rather than those who make a living making fun out of other people. The attitude that many have displayed disappoints me- it's ultimately the reason so many don't have a go at living their dream because they don't want to get shot down by the people around them. Its the problem with the common question in interviews about where you see yourself in 10 years time. It tests ambition, but fails all too often to distinguish between the incompetent who can't see their own major limitations and the competent who have a more realistic idea of the problems and their own abilities and would actually do much better if given the job. |
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Or, one could argue that its precisely because people with no ability and little substance get so many top positions, by looking determined and blagging interviews, that the country is in the mess it is in. Its true of all sorts of jobs - not least politics where spin now completely dominates over ability to make policy or administer it.
Its the problem with the common question in interviews about where you see yourself in 10 years time. It tests ambition, but fails all too often to distinguish between the incompetent who can't see their own major limitations and the competent who have a more realistic idea of the problems and their own abilities and would actually do much better if given the job. |
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It strikes me as being indicative of the general attitude of people in this country (not all mind) that those people who have a go, put themselves out there, and ultimately succeed (in relative terms to those that don't try) get pilloried for doing so. Look at Stuart, yes he is a bit of a prat but I could point you in the direction of far worse 21 year olds. He has "grafted" and earnt his lifestyle- fair play to him for building a company that turned over £3m (I dont doubt this will get serious attention during the interviews.)
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There's always a clown every year and this year it's Stuart.
The only problem I have with him is that from what we've seen of him throughout the series he has never at any point proved any of the business nous that he has boasted he has. |
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Marvellous post by the OP
Baggs has made the series this year! |
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Or, one could argue that its precisely because people with no ability and little substance get so many top positions, by looking determined and blagging interviews, that the country is in the mess it is in. Its true of all sorts of jobs - not least politics where spin now completely dominates over ability to make policy or administer it.
Its the problem with the common question in interviews about where you see yourself in 10 years time. It tests ambition, but fails all too often to distinguish between the incompetent who can't see their own major limitations and the competent who have a more realistic idea of the problems and their own abilities and would actually do much better if given the job. Personally I don't think there is much wrong with having some slightly deluded people in a team- they generally have a drive to see things to completion that the more self aware can lack as they constantly notice flaws and errors. Sometimes it's just better to do it. Not always though. I can see how Stuart rubs people up but he is not incompetent, he has a business mind and he is set on realising his ambitions. I could understand if he had spent the past 3 years in his bedroom steaming up the windows but he has created something and it has brought him a profit. In my mind that is what makes a good businessman rather than personal attributes. I'm certain that LS is a complete idiot to be around. |
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If that is true why is he on the apprentice? I doubt even Lord Sugar had done that well by the age of 21.
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I think he makes things worse for himself, but that's only because he hasn't yet learnt to rein in his enthusiasm and so he lets his mouth keep moving and the random phrases keep coming out
. That will come with time and more experience.
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If that is true why is he on the apprentice?
Many previous candidates have been in similar positions. For example, the series 2 winner, Michelle, was earning well over £100k from her outsourcing company before she went on the show. James in series 1 was also doing very well. |
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Stewart has several effective qualities. He’s a good talker with a hungry ego to feed, while being fearless and unembarrassable. That’s all he needs. He’ll go far.
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Or, one could argue that its precisely because people with no ability and little substance get so many top positions, by looking determined and blagging interviews, that the country is in the mess it is in. Its true of all sorts of jobs - not least politics where spin now completely dominates over ability to make policy or administer it.
Its the problem with the common question in interviews about where you see yourself in 10 years time. It tests ambition, but fails all too often to distinguish between the incompetent who can't see their own major limitations and the competent who have a more realistic idea of the problems and their own abilities and would actually do much better if given the job. |
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. That will come with time and more experience.