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Old 10-12-2010, 16:41
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Watching back over her performances, I think she was actually one of the best each night in the first four live shows.

I know I'm going to get the 'shouty shouty' responses but I think she lost it in Week 5 and never really brought it back from there unfortunately. You can hear from the audience's responses how crazy she must have sounded from inside the studio.

Week 1 - This Is A Man's World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4Zfhox3t0

Week 2 - You Don't Have To Say You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuE4bzBaum4

Week 3 - I Who Have Nothing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsrTcPgKwcI

Week 4 - Could It Be Magic?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD6L1PswEI0
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Old 10-12-2010, 16:44
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Then after that people clocked it was the same type of big belters every single week and it just got boring. She'd of been better off on BGT where you only get 2/3 performances.
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Old 10-12-2010, 16:57
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Week One she hit the heights and peaked. The it all seemed a bit the same but other acts suffer from that too.

She needed a mentor ro re-invent it all for her but LW is particularly limited in that way. By re-invent I sort of mean the thing Rick Rubin did for Johnny Cash, get some really good songs and re-do them. Wouldnt have to do that every week, a couple of times would have worked to change it, show a bit of spark and versatility.
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Old 10-12-2010, 16:57
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No wonder Simon was so worried and stopped commenting on her performances/giving her endless graveyard slots/ given her poor staging/inappropriate songs/ blocking her from reaching the final
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:01
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I think repertoire or lack of was her undoing really and her apparent determination to sing the songs she has always sung.

Reprising 2 tried and tested songs just made her seem even more limited in her repertoire. Surely there are songs she could have sung that we hadn't heard her do.

Good luck to her in the future.
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:03
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The first week of hurricane Mary was enough.
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:30
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Cowell started on a campaign to discredit her from Week 3 onwards.Calling her "pub singer-ish" and karaoke was very damaging to her prospects.

By contrast,nobody else was being called a karaoke singer (I noticed a top record company boss saying at the weekend btw that "Matt,Mary and Rebecca are three good karaoke singers").
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:44
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When she did her audition song again I think that's when a lot of the casual viewers realised she was a one trick pony. Plus her peformance of that faith hill song was arguably the worst performance of the entire series.
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Old 10-12-2010, 17:58
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Cowell started on a campaign to discredit her from Week 3 onwards.Calling her "pub singer-ish" and karaoke was very damaging to her prospects.

By contrast,nobody else was being called a karaoke singer (I noticed a top record company boss saying at the weekend btw that "Matt,Mary and Rebecca are three good karaoke singers").
Yeah, I read that, although it was actually sort of a compliment in that he said they were the three best of the show, the ones he picked out from the auditions - the three real singers, but they need original material to go on into the industry, which they do. But at this stage it's obviously impossible, although at least Rebecca has people that do want to write stuff for her already and many industry people wanting to work with her and supporting her; She, like Matt, seem geared toward getting material of their own in some capacity. Personally, I'd rather Louis managed Rebecca at this point, Simon is just too driven at making a quick buck without consequence on the effect it has on the artist. I have a feeling Matt is going to suffer the worst.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:06
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Lot's of acts are one-trick ponies though. I think the panel and some of the public were being quite unfair to Mary. If that's the sort of music she performs well, then why not do it.

You don't see Subo is latex, rapping on stage and doing backflips surrounded by topless men.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:07
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You do see Subo with an extensive repertoire though.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:41
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Then after that people clocked it was the same type of big belters every single week and it just got boring. She'd of been better off on BGT where you only get 2/3 performances.
She said on This Morning that she had applied to BGT but withdrew because is from Ireland.

Some of her performances were a bit cheesy but she had a great approach to the show
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:42
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She was just another karaoke act IMO.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:44
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If Mary had actually been given some staging, some dancers or something it might have helped. That was all entirely out of her control though. Every week it was just her standing on the stage alone in a black dress.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:51
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If Mary had actually been given some staging, some dancers or something it might have helped. That was all entirely out of her control though. Every week it was just her standing on the stage alone in a black dress.
Agreed. She came out and did the best she could with her songs. It wasn't her fault they gave her rubbish productions and dancers.

I have a sneaky suspicion that she polled very highly in the first few weeks and then Cowell started giving her the graveyard slot and rubbish songs with no production.
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Old 10-12-2010, 18:54
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Agreed. She came out and did the best she could with her songs. It wasn't her fault they gave her rubbish productions and dancers.

I have a sneaky suspicion that she polled very highly in the first few weeks and then Cowell started giving her the graveyard slot and rubbish songs with no production.
The rumour I heard is that Mary topped the poll in week 1 and finished 2nd in weeks 2 and 3.
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Old 10-12-2010, 19:04
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The rumour I heard is that Mary topped the poll in week 1 and finished 2nd in weeks 2 and 3.
Wouldn't surprise me really. Not only does she have the Mum, Tesco and Irish vote - but she was also bloody good.
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Old 10-12-2010, 22:01
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I don't care what other people say, they can diss her as much as they like but the thing is she is a really good singer even Simon said that. The way she sings is her style and she knows it, unlike Cher or Katie. To try and change that can be dangerous. The only week I though she was poor was week 5 with the American Anthems. The first two weeks were Mary's best though. It annoys me when people call her boring, etc. Look at Leona, she didn't dance around and is very samey but she won. For Simon to say Mary isn't marketable is a disgrace as well. It would have been better if Mary was in the final as it would have had acts suited for ALL age ranges.
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Old 10-12-2010, 22:05
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Cowell started on a campaign to discredit her from Week 3 onwards.Calling her "pub singer-ish" and karaoke was very damaging to her prospects.

By contrast,nobody else was being called a karaoke singer (I noticed a top record company boss saying at the weekend btw that "Matt,Mary and Rebecca are three good karaoke singers").
Mary was also undermined with her placement in the running order. I think that Cowell was determined to keep her from getting to the Final because she was too popular at the beginning of the lives and he was afraid she would build enough momentum to possibly win or finish higher than 1D.
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Old 10-12-2010, 22:41
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Mary was also undermined with her placement in the running order. I think that Cowell was determined to keep her from getting to the Final because she was too popular at the beginning of the lives and he was afraid she would build enough momentum to possibly win or finish higher than 1D.
I'm looking forward to seeing Mary's percentages from the live shows especially vis a vis in relation to 1D and Cher in the earlier weeks.

Throwing her on early every week and doing everything to discredit her in the eyes of the public (calling her a "one trick pony" etc) was very telling behaviour from Cowell.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:09
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Mary was also undermined with her placement in the running order. I think that Cowell was determined to keep her from getting to the Final because she was too popular at the beginning of the lives and he was afraid she would build enough momentum to possibly win or finish higher than 1D.
I'm looking forward to seeing Mary's percentages from the live shows especially vis a vis in relation to 1D and Cher in the earlier weeks.

Throwing her on early every week and doing everything to discredit her in the eyes of the public (calling her a "one trick pony" etc) was very telling behaviour from Cowell.
And to be fair to Mary, despite her constant early slots and rubbish comments, she still managed to hold off being in the bottom two till Week 8 - which is bloody good. She must have had a strong fan base.

Such a shame he'd rather have Cher in the final over Mary. I think the final would have been much more interesting as we wouldn't have known the bottom 2 from last week so as far as we know, the final could have been anybody's game.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:15
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I liked Mary and loved a lot of her performances. When in her zone doing her thing she was terrific. I accept that she was to a degree a one trick pony but if it is a great trick, that isn't a big problem.

On a note about her character. I admire her for her attitude to the soldiers and her mentioning them in the way she did when she was leaving. That is not an easy thing to say coming from where she does and I hope that she doesn't suffer for it. Good luck to her
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:21
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Mary's week 1 performance was one of the best X Factor performances I can remember.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:21
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I liked Mary and loved a lot of her performances. When in her zone doing her thing she was terrific. I accept that she was to a degree a one trick pony but if it is a great trick, that isn't a big problem.

On a note about her character. I admire her for her attitude to the soldiers and her mentioning them in the way she did when she was leaving. That is not an easy thing to say coming from where she does and I hope that she doesn't suffer for it. Good luck to her
I heard someone bizarrely claim here she was a Sinn Fein supporter a few weeks ago.If she was a Sinn Fein supporter,there is no way she would have been wearing a poppy and saying how proud she was to meet British armed forces personnel.

In any event,nobody in Ireland seems to have had the slightest problem with her meeting the injured soldiers a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 11-12-2010, 01:24
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And to be fair to Mary, despite her constant early slots and rubbish comments, she still managed to hold off being in the bottom two till Week 8 - which is bloody good. She must have had a strong fan base.

Such a shame he'd rather have Cher in the final over Mary. I think the final would have been much more interesting as we wouldn't have known the bottom 2 from last week so as far as we know, the final could have been anybody's game.
Cowell wanted Cher in the final from week 1 onwards.It was never part of the script that Mary would do so well in the voting : she was supposed to be finishing 6th-8th each week.It's pretty lousy that Cowell set out on a campaign to undermine her on the show but typical of the man.You could see Mary was quite sad and disillusioned with him by the end.
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