Kara does deprive others of the top spot......by being the best dancer!
miss perfects foot was off the floor
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This argument reminds me of Torvill and Dean's "thumb incident." They were so darn perfect that whether or not Jaynes's thumb touched the ice, raged on and on.
I read somewhere that Matt used to be in a dance troupe. So hardly no experience!
Either Kara is naturally graceful or has had some ballet training.
Where she really shines above Matt though, is that unlike him, she doesn't feel that the trophy is in the bag. He was flabbergasted last night to find he may not win.
He seemed to think from the first week that he'd walk it. A most unattractive trait.
Kara to win.
I read somewhere that Matt used to be in a dance troupe. So hardly no experience!
Either Kara is naturally graceful or has had some ballet training.
Where she really shines above Matt though, is that unlike him, she doesn't feel that the trophy is in the bag. He was flabbergasted last night to find he may not win.
He seemed to think from the first week that he'd walk it. A most unattractive trait.
Kara to win.
I'm a kara and artem fan and i have just watched the main show just now and yeah mus admit she did lift her feet from the floor ah well still an amazing dance though!
Originally Posted by Mutter:
“This argument reminds me of Torvill and Dean's "thumb incident." They were so darn perfect that whether or not Jaynes's thumb touched the ice, raged on and on.
I read somewhere that Matt used to be in a dance troupe. So hardly no experience!
Either Kara is naturally graceful or has had some ballet training.
Where she really shines above Matt though, is that unlike him, she doesn't feel that the trophy is in the bag. He was flabbergasted last night to find he may not win.
He seemed to think from the first week that he'd walk it. A most unattractive trait.
Kara to win.”
“This argument reminds me of Torvill and Dean's "thumb incident." They were so darn perfect that whether or not Jaynes's thumb touched the ice, raged on and on.
I read somewhere that Matt used to be in a dance troupe. So hardly no experience!
Either Kara is naturally graceful or has had some ballet training.
Where she really shines above Matt though, is that unlike him, she doesn't feel that the trophy is in the bag. He was flabbergasted last night to find he may not win.
He seemed to think from the first week that he'd walk it. A most unattractive trait.
Kara to win.”
You can't blame Matt for the way he's been thinking, he's the BBC's "golden boy" from Blue Peter and Countryfile and soon to take over as host on "The One Show."
As a BBC employee he was probably approached to go on this and was likely told that with his previous ability and popularity he'd be a "shoe in" for the title.
Imagine how much that publicity and attention would help the ratings of "The One Show" in the New Year?
That's why he came close to a "strop" last night, very unprofessional for someone with a wealth of presenting experience.
He's suddenly realising that it isn't going to be that easy.
Contrast his reaction with that of Gavin who gets slated every week especially when he thinks he's done well.
Grow up Matt, it ain't Blue Peter.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“You can't blame Matt for the way he's been thinking, he's the BBC's "golden boy" from Blue Peter and Countryfile and soon to take over as host on "The One Show."
As a BBC employee he was probably approached to go on this and was likely told that with his previous ability and popularity he'd be a "shoe in" for the title.
Imagine how much that publicity and attention would help the ratings of "The One Show" in the New Year?
That's why he came close to a "strop" last night, very unprofessional for someone with a wealth of presenting experience.
He's suddenly realising that it isn't going to be that easy.
Contrast his reaction with that of Gavin who gets slated every week especially when he thinks he's done well.
Grow up Matt, it ain't Blue Peter.”
“You can't blame Matt for the way he's been thinking, he's the BBC's "golden boy" from Blue Peter and Countryfile and soon to take over as host on "The One Show."
As a BBC employee he was probably approached to go on this and was likely told that with his previous ability and popularity he'd be a "shoe in" for the title.
Imagine how much that publicity and attention would help the ratings of "The One Show" in the New Year?
That's why he came close to a "strop" last night, very unprofessional for someone with a wealth of presenting experience.
He's suddenly realising that it isn't going to be that easy.
Contrast his reaction with that of Gavin who gets slated every week especially when he thinks he's done well.
Grow up Matt, it ain't Blue Peter.”
I'm not a Matt fan, but I did feel sorry sorry him last night, as he genuinely seemed very deflated. I don't think he really knew where he went wrong, so he was a bit shocked and defeated.
28 is a low score at this stage in the competition, and it's his first score below 30. I would have been disappointed too.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“I'm not a Matt fan, but I did feel sorry sorry him last night, as he genuinely seemed very deflated. I don't think he really knew where he went wrong, so he was a bit shocked and defeated.
28 is a low score at this stage in the competition, and it's his first score below 30. I would have been disappointed too.”
“I'm not a Matt fan, but I did feel sorry sorry him last night, as he genuinely seemed very deflated. I don't think he really knew where he went wrong, so he was a bit shocked and defeated.
28 is a low score at this stage in the competition, and it's his first score below 30. I would have been disappointed too.”
Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.
Originally Posted by flossieblossom:
“Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.”
“Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.”
I felt a bit sad for him because Brucie had just pointed out that Matt had now cleared his diary to make room for dance practice - and I thought perhaps he should have done that a bit earlier to ease the pressure
Originally Posted by flossieblossom:
“Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.”
“Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.”
Agree with you and J4Rose - I didn't see a strop; just disappointment that was hard to hide.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Agree with you and J4Rose - I didn't see a strop; just disappointment that was hard to hide.”
“Agree with you and J4Rose - I didn't see a strop; just disappointment that was hard to hide.”
Hang on!
Who said he threw a strop?
All I said was that he came close to one.
.
am not a matt fan either but i did feel really bad from him last night must be a real kick in the teeth after all that training and hard work not to get good comments i'd be close to tears aswell! but its true not all dances can suit everyone hopefully there tango will be better?!
Originally Posted by justmise:
“I felt a bit sad for him because Brucie had just pointed out that Matt had now cleared his diary to make room for dance practice - and I thought perhaps he should have done that a bit earlier to ease the pressure”
“I felt a bit sad for him because Brucie had just pointed out that Matt had now cleared his diary to make room for dance practice - and I thought perhaps he should have done that a bit earlier to ease the pressure
”
He could well have a very empty diary after tonight then.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“I'm not a Matt fan, but I did feel sorry sorry him last night, as he genuinely seemed very deflated. I don't think he really knew where he went wrong, so he was a bit shocked and defeated.
28 is a low score at this stage in the competition, and it's his first score below 30. I would have been disappointed too.”
“I'm not a Matt fan, but I did feel sorry sorry him last night, as he genuinely seemed very deflated. I don't think he really knew where he went wrong, so he was a bit shocked and defeated.
28 is a low score at this stage in the competition, and it's his first score below 30. I would have been disappointed too.”
Originally Posted by flossieblossom:
“Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.”
“Very true. I felt for him too. He didn't look stroppy to me, just devastated, pure and simple.”
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Agree with you and J4Rose - I didn't see a strop; just disappointment that was hard to hide.”
“Agree with you and J4Rose - I didn't see a strop; just disappointment that was hard to hide.”
I agree with you, flossie and J4Rose.
It didn't look like he was close to a strop to me, just utter devastation!
Originally Posted by phoebefair:
“He could well have a very empty diary after tonight then.”
“He could well have a very empty diary after tonight then.”
but he would have more time to practice with Aliona for the tour
Last edited by justmise : 11-12-2010 at 14:00
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Hang on!
Who said he threw a strop?
All I said was that he came close to one.
.”
“Hang on!
Who said he threw a strop?
All I said was that he came close to one.
.”
All we are saying is that we disagree. OK?
I'm not a matt fan either but thought they were unnecessarily harsh - I think he was shocked by the vitriol to be honest and they all agreed with each other so he didn't really get any good comments
it wasn't great but wasn't THAT bad
it wasn't great but wasn't THAT bad
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Hang on!
Who said he threw a strop?
All I said was that he came close to one.
.”
“Hang on!
Who said he threw a strop?
All I said was that he came close to one.
.”
A massive difference, I'm sure
Originally Posted by Noone:
“You know how gamblers give away their hand by 'tells' - unconscious ticks and body language? Well, your choice of title 'Little Miss Perfect' might be classed as such - but not so subtle. Snide much?”
“You know how gamblers give away their hand by 'tells' - unconscious ticks and body language? Well, your choice of title 'Little Miss Perfect' might be classed as such - but not so subtle. Snide much?”
What are you on about. I wasn't the original OP.
Originally Posted by Mutter:
“Where she really shines above Matt though, is that unlike him, she doesn't feel that the trophy is in the bag. He was flabbergasted last night to find he may not win.
He seemed to think from the first week that he'd walk it. A most unattractive trait.”
“Where she really shines above Matt though, is that unlike him, she doesn't feel that the trophy is in the bag. He was flabbergasted last night to find he may not win.
He seemed to think from the first week that he'd walk it. A most unattractive trait.”
I must say that's the impression he gave me too.
But I disagree in that that is the avenue in which Kara really shines above them all. Where she truly shines above them all is in her dancing, pure and simple. She is the best all round contestant, in my view, to every appear on this show. Her standard is so high week after week and she still continues to improve! I can only imagine how good she would be if the show lasted another few months. So to compare Matt (or Pamela or Scott) to Kara is like comparing Mark Ramphrakash to Jill Halfpenny. In other words, there is no comparison. One can dance and the other is a dancer.
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“I must say that's the impression he gave me too.
But I disagree in that that is the avenue in which Kara really shines above them all. Where she truly shines above them all is in her dancing, pure and simple. She is the best all round contestant, in my view, to every appear on this show. Her standard is so high week after week and she still continues to improve! I can only imagine how good she would be if the show lasted another few months. So to compare Matt (or Pamela or Scott) to Kara is like comparing Mark Ramphrakash to Jill Halfpenny. In other words, there is no comparison. One can dance and the other is a dancer.”
“I must say that's the impression he gave me too.
But I disagree in that that is the avenue in which Kara really shines above them all. Where she truly shines above them all is in her dancing, pure and simple. She is the best all round contestant, in my view, to every appear on this show. Her standard is so high week after week and she still continues to improve! I can only imagine how good she would be if the show lasted another few months. So to compare Matt (or Pamela or Scott) to Kara is like comparing Mark Ramphrakash to Jill Halfpenny. In other words, there is no comparison. One can dance and the other is a dancer.”
Think you summed it up really well tangerine82
Originally Posted by crispih:
“I have watched it back twice and the foot was off the floor for half a turn and then it cameoff thefloor again”
“I have watched it back twice and the foot was off the floor for half a turn and then it cameoff thefloor again”
It wasn't intentional. That move is very common in Rumba and done as part of a choreography that can be danced in competitions. And the judges in real competitions aren't as arsy as SCD. If a move is not intended to be a lift but the girl's feet come off the floor accidentally for a few seconds then the couple is not penalised for it. In fact I think there's a rule for the number of seconds a girl's feet can be off the floor.
And I don't see why Craig couldn't ignore that and give her a 10. He gave Austin's Paso a 10 even though all he did was walk around, struck a few poses and shouted. In his own word "as soon as Austin walked unto the floor he was so mesmerised that he stopped taking notes." I'm surprised he wasn't mesmerized by Kara's rumba. If we were to be particular, there were a lot of technical errors with Kara's dance. But you can't expect that level of perfection from a celebrity.
Kara's performance was absolutely stunning. Stunning ! Her arms are heavenly and her hips and body shaping were ... orgasmic !
But her foot lifted off the floor and the dancers were warned clearly by Len several weeks back and it was Artem's responsibility that he gave her a move where an amateur could not be 100% confident of concentrating enough to keep her foot on the floor 100% of the time. Len should have agreed as he also should have agreed on Friday. Fair's fair.
But her foot lifted off the floor and the dancers were warned clearly by Len several weeks back and it was Artem's responsibility that he gave her a move where an amateur could not be 100% confident of concentrating enough to keep her foot on the floor 100% of the time. Len should have agreed as he also should have agreed on Friday. Fair's fair.
There appears to be a lot of comments regarding the inconsitency of the judges, from the early on "why is alesha giving 10s for THAT!?" through to more recent comments about Craigs being overly harsh, and Len sometimes applying rules as he sees fit.
What people seem to forget, is that each judge, with the exception of Len, is there for a specific reason, Craig looks for the purely technical, Alesha for the entertainment, and Bruno, well, I'm not quite sure what Bruno looks for, but each one is tasked to look at certain points, with Len as the 'head judge' who is there to keep his little gaggle in check.
Often you will find, that Len disagrees with Craig over what is an infraction of the rules, and what isn't, like last night with Karas foot lift, Len didn't think it important, Craig did. Other people have commented that in competetive dancing, such a foot lift would often be overlooked, and Len did just that, Craig however, didn't. And nine times out of ten, you can see it, when Craig marks down, and Len disagrees, the points differ to match.
The only problem with the judging, is that people don't really understand the judging process, or the reasons for the decisions that the judges make, this is due to them having only a few seconds to give feedback, as the show races forward.
In terms of Kara, she has been underscored a few times, this weekend though I think that her scoring was just about right, I have no problem with it, a little mistake here, a little mistake there, all in all, a point dropped in each dance is no big deal.
Pamela on the other hand. Yes she's 61, so what? I've never really enjoyed her dances, her ballroom looks very samey, as do her comments about "fred and ginger", and far too many "thankyou thankyou thankyou". I think that if anyone has been overscored, its her, but what're you gonna do?
What people seem to forget, is that each judge, with the exception of Len, is there for a specific reason, Craig looks for the purely technical, Alesha for the entertainment, and Bruno, well, I'm not quite sure what Bruno looks for, but each one is tasked to look at certain points, with Len as the 'head judge' who is there to keep his little gaggle in check.
Often you will find, that Len disagrees with Craig over what is an infraction of the rules, and what isn't, like last night with Karas foot lift, Len didn't think it important, Craig did. Other people have commented that in competetive dancing, such a foot lift would often be overlooked, and Len did just that, Craig however, didn't. And nine times out of ten, you can see it, when Craig marks down, and Len disagrees, the points differ to match.
The only problem with the judging, is that people don't really understand the judging process, or the reasons for the decisions that the judges make, this is due to them having only a few seconds to give feedback, as the show races forward.
In terms of Kara, she has been underscored a few times, this weekend though I think that her scoring was just about right, I have no problem with it, a little mistake here, a little mistake there, all in all, a point dropped in each dance is no big deal.
Pamela on the other hand. Yes she's 61, so what? I've never really enjoyed her dances, her ballroom looks very samey, as do her comments about "fred and ginger", and far too many "thankyou thankyou thankyou". I think that if anyone has been overscored, its her, but what're you gonna do?
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“You can't blame Matt for the way he's been thinking, he's the BBC's "golden boy" from Blue Peter and Countryfile and soon to take over as host on "The One Show."
As a BBC employee he was probably approached to go on this and was likely told that with his previous ability and popularity he'd be a "shoe in" for the title.
Imagine how much that publicity and attention would help the ratings of "The One Show" in the New Year?
That's why he came close to a "strop" last night, very unprofessional for someone with a wealth of presenting experience.
He's suddenly realising that it isn't going to be that easy.
Contrast his reaction with that of Gavin who gets slated every week especially when he thinks he's done well.
Grow up Matt, it ain't Blue Peter.”
“You can't blame Matt for the way he's been thinking, he's the BBC's "golden boy" from Blue Peter and Countryfile and soon to take over as host on "The One Show."
As a BBC employee he was probably approached to go on this and was likely told that with his previous ability and popularity he'd be a "shoe in" for the title.
Imagine how much that publicity and attention would help the ratings of "The One Show" in the New Year?
That's why he came close to a "strop" last night, very unprofessional for someone with a wealth of presenting experience.
He's suddenly realising that it isn't going to be that easy.
Contrast his reaction with that of Gavin who gets slated every week especially when he thinks he's done well.
Grow up Matt, it ain't Blue Peter.”
Crikey o' reilly....looking deflated disappointed and close to tears is not a strop! He probably feels that 28 points is not the way to go when you've got above 30 for the rest of the competition, and its now the semi-final.
remember when Len and co moaned ay Bruno for giving a 10 to Kelly and Brendan for a lift. Kara should not have got any 10's if that is the rule. One rule for some and amother rule for judges pets it seems. At least Craig is sticking to the rules.
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Yes it was. And what of it? Annoyed your fave didn't beat her?”
“Yes it was. And what of it? Annoyed your fave didn't beat her?”
Great post!!
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