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So Craig is the best judge is he?
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BuddyBontheNet
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“As they were having problems during training, I wonder why Artem didn't take that particularly move out of the routine and substituted something else.

Anyway I thought it was beautiful and she thoroughly deserves to be at the top of the leader board.”

I agree with you 100%.
Sam Weiss
11-12-2010
There's more to dancing than perfect foot/leg/torso/arm technique.

The foot off the floor was minor, but losing one point for it, given all the lectures in previous weeks, was probably right.

Kara is by far the cleanest of the dancers. Artem's choreography has probably been the best overall (though IMO Anton ought to get an award.)

Yet I have always found Kara's dancing lacking, as if she dances too cooly, or clinically. It's like watching a young girl who tries so hard to get 100% on a test... because it's expected of her (by her teacher or parents.)

OTOH, Pamela is a bit sloppy here and there, and not as sharp (time wise.) Yet I find her dancing much more effective. Pamela is working to affect those who are watching her.
lach doch mal
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Last week was last week.

Craig said on ITT he was going to be pernickity and to be fair, he didnt score anyone a 10 tonight. Kara wasnt aware she had let a foot rise off the floor but Artem agreed with Craig, she did. So fair enough for me, even if the other judges denied seeing it.

Kara is my fabourite, but that doesnt mean I can't be realistic (unlike some fans ).”

I think I agree with you, last week was last week. We don't know the outcome if Kara's VW had been shown on the same night as Pamela's VW.

Craig was consistent in that the awarded the highest mark to Kara, with others below her. It doesn't matter that it wasn't a 10.

Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“That Kara didn't get a 10 from Craig wasn't anything to do with lack of ability or a failure to capture the mood of the dance, it was due to an illegal lift in his eyes.

She was still miles better than Pamela was last week but I guess if Craig saw her break the rules then he had no choice but to penalise her.”

That was one of the reasons he gave, although considering that he didn't give her a 10 last week after he told her it was fantasmog..... something shows that he doesn't always point out what is wrong with it.

I still think he is the most consistent judge.

Kara deserved to be on top, and to me it doesn't matter if it is with three or four 10's.
Aeryn
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“And we are seriously supposed to believe Kara's VW was less good than Pamela's last week?”

IN one word: YES! And her foot was off the floor twice, so you get marked down for that. Also they were hardly in hold so it looked more like a AS then a VW. The emotional content was seriously lacking. Kara's dance did absolutely nothing for me. Too much pfaffing about in the beginning as well.
IvanIV
11-12-2010
The foot was off the floor. Be it a flaw or a 'lift' for Craig, he noticed it and could not give the dance a 10.
nelliek
11-12-2010
I'm waiting to see the judges' 're-cap' thingy because I bet Len will let rip at Craig for him giving Kara only a 9. And Craig is instantly going to retort about Len not applying the rules as he said a few weeks ago that all the judges would.
It's going to be handbags at dawn with a vengeance. I just hope none of it is edited out!
millie3
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“IN one word: YES! And her foot was off the floor twice, so you get marked down for that. Also they were hardly in hold so it looked more like a AS then a VW. The emotional content was seriously lacking. Kara's dance did absolutely nothing for me. Too much pfaffing about in the beginning as well. ”

Well I think you are in a minority. Most people believe there was no comparison, in that Kara's looked totally professional.
IvanIV
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by nelliek:
“I'm waiting to see the judges' 're-cap' thingy because I bet Len will let rip at Craig for him giving Kara only a 9. And Craig is instantly going to retort about Len not applying the rules as he said a few weeks ago that all the judges would.
It's going to be handbags at dawn with a vengeance. I just hope none of it is edited out! ”

Craig could not live with himself if he gave her a ten. It must be difficult as it is already He is very pedantic, he wants perfection (which is impossible), but he can't ignore obvious flaws.
rossyrahrah
11-12-2010
Craig is the best judge but yes, he makes mistakes.

Of course, his mistake was not giving Kara a 9, but giving stompy stumbly Pamela a 10 last week.
perdiedumpling
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“IN one word: YES! And her foot was off the floor twice, so you get marked down for that. Also they were hardly in hold so it looked more like a AS then a VW. The emotional content was seriously lacking. Kara's dance did absolutely nothing for me. Too much pfaffing about in the beginning as well. ”

If you were to play the two VWs at the same time, I'm pretty sure that Pamela spent far more time at the beginning faffing about. Stumble or no stumble, foot off the ground or not, but if you think that Kara spent too much time faffing about then you cannot excuse Pamela.
missfrankiecat
11-12-2010
Come on guys? At least the other judges ludicrously overmarking Pamela don't pretend as Craig does that a dance has to be perfect to get a 10.
bloggingbelle
11-12-2010
He is the best judge but I think he was bewitched tonight.
petertard
11-12-2010
There seemed to be an agenda tonight to give Pamela a boost.
Abbasolutely 40
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Come on guys? At least the other judges ludicrously overmarking Pamela don't pretend as Craig does that a dance has to be perfect to get a 10.”

He showed himself up tonight . No integrity .
summertime09
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“And we are seriously supposed to believe Kara's VW was less good than Pamela's last week?”



Pamelas was perfect, Kara s foot left the floor, hence a dropped point, fair enough IMO !!!
Abbasolutely 40
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Craig could not live with himself if he gave her a ten. It must be difficult as it is already He is very pedantic, he wants perfection (which is impossible), but he can't ignore obvious flaws.”

He can with Pamela , he had no trouble ignoring a clumpy quickstep tonight , nothing he says will make that dance a ten ,
Abbasolutely 40
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by summertime09;46469275[B:
“]Pamelas was perfect[/b], Kara s foot left the floor, hence a dropped point, fair enough IMO !!!”

Pamelas was heavy footed and clumpy .
Doghouse Riley
11-12-2010
Maybe Billy Connolly is coming back to BBC1?
No, I don't believe that either.

Craig marked Kara down for the same reasons as he did last night.
I can't argue with that.
But there's no explanation for him giving Pam a 10 given her dance was so ordinary.

Would he have done the same if she had perfectly executed the hokey-cokey?
summertime09
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by Abbasolutely 40:
“Pamelas was heavy footed and clumpy .”

In YOUR opinion!!! in MY opinion Pamela deserved her score, Kara deserved hers!!!! I feel Karas dancing has been, mostly, really good, i find they do not connect emotionally with the performance, Pamela and James grab my attention, entertain me and draw me into the dance. i think Matt is the same as Kara, detached from the performance.
Abbasolutely 40
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by summertime09:
“In YOUR opinion!!! in MY opinion Pamela deserved her score, Kara deserved hers!!!! I feel Karas dancing has been, mostly, really good, i find they do not connect emotionally with the performance, Pamela and James grab my attention, entertain me and draw me into the dance. i think Matt is the same as Kara, detached from the performance.”

YES IN MY opinion , of course in my opinion ,Who elses ,.I knew your was your opinion I presumed you would know mine was mine
HeidiB
11-12-2010
I think that Craig is sticking to the rules and penalising mistakes as well as illegal lifts. This would be a good thing if it were not for the fact that most of the participants are overmarked, with tens flying around. This means that a more difficult dance with one fault will score below an easier dance with no mistakes.

I think they should get back to the days when eight was a good score and nines and tens were difficult to get. Then marking more fairly should be easier.
summertime09
11-12-2010
I think Craigs marking is more realistic, the others start off marking way to high and it leaves them no where to go, early in the series a 5 or 6 should be ample then IMO the marks can show the improvements as the weeks go on, then 9s and 10s would IMO be more deserved.
shefair
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Craig could not live with himself if he gave her a ten. It must be difficult as it is already He is very pedantic, he wants perfection (which is impossible), but he can't ignore obvious flaws.”

well then he really should not have given Pamela the 10's last week or this week

Neither was a perfection dance
Tall Paul
11-12-2010
Originally Posted by HeidiB:
“I think that Craig is sticking to the rules and penalising mistakes as well as illegal lifts. This would be a good thing if it were not for the fact that most of the participants are overmarked, with tens flying around. This means that a more difficult dance with one fault will score below an easier dance with no mistakes.

I think they should get back to the days when eight was a good score and nines and tens were difficult to get. Then marking more fairly should be easier.”

yep it will make it more fun, agree with you in abundance.
tinyangel
11-12-2010
Yes, Craig was right. You can tell he is itching to give Kara a 10 but is being consistent as ever. Only impartial Judge we've got.
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