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Matts Score a Disgrace?
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Forget-me-not
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by ElectraPalatine:
“I like Matt, but that was shite. Partly because he didn't do the execution, but mostly I think because the choreography was very very poor and made the whole thing very bitty and messy and broken up. He couldn't do the armography if it wasn't there, and there were far too many lifts and gimmicks.

Aliona is just shockingly selfish. I hope he goes through, because i keep hoping she'll allow him to do a lovely classic dance. But I'm constantly disappointed by him, because of her.”

That is exactly how i feel as well.
ilovesooty
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“He's in a dance competition where he performed not to his usual standard. The judges are there to judge and criticise. It doesn't matter if he is a nice person or not, it's the nature of the beast of reality TV - you don't deliver the goods, you don't get a gold star and a lollipop.”


Well said.
tobykim
10-12-2010
I was really disappointed,however I do think the judges comments were unduly harsh. I do believe that if he'd been partnered with someone who had more experience with choreography things would have been different, Aliona seems to over complicate things, the routine tonight was bad and I'm not holding out too much hope for tomorrow
boddism
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by ilovesooty:
“I don't think it really deserved any more than it got. Still, the judges haven't done him any harm: there'll be a massive sympathy vote.”

After tonight I think he'll get into the final on the sympathy vote. That WASNT a good dance. He missed his timing on occasions and it just lacked that special fizz that a salsa needs to have. I didnt find it to be SEXY which is the essence of a salsa.

Ive always thought Matt was a v good dancer but everyone has a duff dance and this was clearly his....

What I couldnt get over is wtf is GAVIN?? still doing in the show??!! Bloody useless!!
Ignazio
10-12-2010
He was woefully underscored - but Aliona is letting him down with her choreography.
SCD-Observer
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“Actually, I thought his score was rather generous seeing as the routine was rubbish. He wasn't undermarked particularly - he was overmarked...as was Gavin.”

If Matt is overmarked, then Scott is criminally overmarked. And I am not talking his AS, which is beyond words in terms of the scores he received, but his AT was so boring I think watching paint dry is more interesting.
Smokeychan1
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by Liparus:
“Surely as has been mentioned before, Matt has the least time/opportunity to practice.

He darts about all over the country filming for Countryfile, not just for the that weeks ep but also for future eps.”

That's all in the past. He said tonight on ITT that all his other work commitments are behind him and he has been able to work solely on his dancing.
SCD-Observer
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“He's in a dance competition where he performed not to his usual standard. The judges are there to judge and criticise. It doesn't matter if he is a nice person or not, it's the nature of the beast of reality TV - you don't deliver the goods, you don't get a gold star and a lollipop.”

Absolute rubbish. If the judges are really doing their job, they wouldn't have scored Scott a nine for his AT, and two nines (!!!) for his AS.
Tangerine_82
10-12-2010
You know Kara's cha cha only got 2 points more than Matt's salsa tonight and apart from a costume drama moment, that dance was much better than Matt's tonight. And it's semi-final week. So taking that into consideration, I think Matt's score tonight was actually quite generous
SCD-Observer
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“You know Kara's cha cha only got 2 points more than Matt's salsa tonight and apart from a costume drama moment, that dance was much better than Matt's tonight. And it's semi-final week. So taking that into consideration, I think Matt's score tonight was actually quite generous ”

Maybe, but if you want to put things in perspective, then Scott's AT overscoring went through the roof.
drbolognaise
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Absolute rubbish. If the judges are really doing their job, they wouldn't have scored Scott a nine for his AT, and two nines (!!!) for his AS.”

Ok, first of all no need to be so rude. The attitude on this forum tonight stinks.

Second of all Bruno liked Scott's AT and scored accordingly. Bruno also made similar comments on Alesha's AT, he got the subtlety they were both going for. It mightn't have been your cup of tea but Bruno is consistent there.

Third of all, my point was in reference to the comment that Matt should have been scored higher because he is nicer than the other contestants...which is utter piffle.

The judges aren't consistent and mark foolishly at times. But it's the nature of the show to be criticised, Matt (and his fans clearly) need to take it on the chin.
Liparus
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“That's all in the past. He said tonight on ITT that all his other work commitments are behind him and he has been able to work solely on his dancing.”

But the past has nasty habit of sticking with us. His lack of training time compared to the others over the past weeks may have a detrimental effect on him for the week to come.
SCD-Observer
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Ok, first of all no need to be so rude. The attitude on this forum tonight stinks.

Second of all Bruno liked Scott's AS and scored accordingly. Bruno also made similar comments on Alesha's AT, he got the subtlety they were both going for. It mightn't have been your cup of tea but Bruno is consistent there.

Third of all, my point was in reference to the comment that Matt should have been scored higher because he is nicer than the other contestants...which is utter piffle.

The judges aren't consistent and mark foolishly at times. But it's the nature of the show to be criticised, Matt (and his fans clearly) need to take it on the chin.”

I say your comment is absolutely rubbish, I am not rude to you.

If the judges are just doing their job, then Len, being nice to Gavin saying it's not his dance, but completely made faces and slated, slated Matt.

Why is that necessary, if it's clear Len is frustrated with Aliona's choreography?

And please, I am NOT Matt's fan. I support Kara and don't really care now if Matt is going to be in the final or not.
Tangerine_82
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Maybe, but if you want to put things in perspective, then Scott's AT overscoring went through the roof.”

Absolutely. I thought Scott's AT tonight was very timid and careful and not at all worthy of all 8s. (Wait, did he get a 9 tonight? I can't remember ).
SCD-Observer
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“Absolutely. I thought Scott's AT tonight was very timid and careful and not at all worthy of all 8s. (Wait, did he get a 9 tonight? I can't remember ).”

I think Bruno is voting with his p*nis.
Tangerine_82
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I think Bruno is voting with his p*nis.”

With a party trick like that he should go on Britain's Got Talent
j4Rose
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Finally, we agree on something!”

The sky must be falling

Scott was half asleep during his AS, and he messed up countless times. The nines were a total disgrace.
Tall Paul
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Absolute rubbish. If the judges are really doing their job, they wouldn't have scored Scott a nine for his AT, and two nines (!!!) for his AS.”

reckon Moira Ross has probably had a word with them this afternoon. No wonder why they have been like this tonight. She seems to think that scd is flagging that to me is total cynisism.
lilpilgrim
10-12-2010
Matt's Salsa lacked bounce and where was the carnival atmosphere? And it wasn't helped by the song choice either, methinks. Look - I can't tell apels from apples, but surely a contestant who stops moving, forgets steps and bumps into his partner (Ssssscott) commits more of a dance crime than someone who dances clinically but gets through the whole routine without blanking? Personally, I think Kara ticks so many boxes, but my heart goes out to Matt tonight because I don't feel he deserved such a drubbing in view of how lightly Scott got off with his AS. And, if you recall, Scott also got negative feedback from the judges but the scores certainly didn't reflect that when they got out their paddles
SCD-Observer
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by lilpilgrim:
“Matt's Salsa lacked bounce and where was the carnival atmosphere? And it wasn't helped by the song choice either, methinks. Look - I can't tell apels from apples, but surely a contestant who stops moving, forgets steps and bumps into his partner (Ssssscott) commits more of a dance crime than someone who dances clinically but gets through the whole routine without blanking? Personally, I think Kara ticks so many boxes, but my heart goes out to Matt tonight because I don't feel he deserved such a drubbing in view of how lightly Scott got off with his AS. And, if you recall, Scott also got negative feedback from the judges but the scores certainly didn't reflect that when they got out their paddles ”

Sorry, Samba needs bounce, salsa doesn't.
drbolognaise
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I say your comment is absolutely rubbish, I am not rude to you.

If the judges are just doing their job, then Len, being nice to Gavin saying it's not his dance, but completely made faces and slated, slated Matt.

Why is that necessary, if it's clear Len is frustrated with Aliona's choreography?

And please, I am NOT Matt's fan. I support Kara and don't really care now if Matt is going to be in the final or not.”

Perhaps saying 'i disagree' than 'absolutely rubbish' would have been better.

I'm not defending the judges, their inconsistent comments and markings drive me as potty as it does for everyone else. What I'm stating is that Matt (and his fans) need to learn to accept criticsm. I can't remember what Len said (pregnancy brain for you) but IIRC None of them were really nasty but blunt, which I prefer rather than the 'oh but you tried hard' wishy washy comments. Some of the others have taken equally blunt criticism so why should Matt be any different when he performed not to his usual standard? I don't care if he is nice (none of them seem horrible to me)...I don't care that he had less training time (Scott also has)... He is no different from the others and therefore should expect to get criticism!

Perhaps whatever Len said was because Aliona clearly is refusing to listen. She's been told from day one (I vividly remember Lift-Gate from Rav's tango) to reign in the crazy yet she refuses to do it? I'm not saying it's fact, that's just a theory of mine.

I'm sorry you're not happy Matt got it in the neck tonight but cheer up, it's going to bag him a lot of the sympathy vote!

I'd rather he went to the final on a decent Salsa without the mistakes but that's Dahnce Purism for you.
Tall Paul
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by lilpilgrim:
“Matt's Salsa lacked bounce and where was the carnival atmosphere? And it wasn't helped by the song choice either, methinks. Look - I can't tell apels from apples, but surely a contestant who stops moving, forgets steps and bumps into his partner (Ssssscott) commits more of a dance crime than someone who dances clinically but gets through the whole routine without blanking? Personally, I think Kara ticks so many boxes, but my heart goes out to Matt tonight because I don't feel he deserved such a drubbing in view of how lightly Scott got off with his AS. And, if you recall, Scott also got negative feedback from the judges but the scores certainly didn't reflect that when they got out their paddles ”

reckon the bbc are a business and the judges feel like they are contributing towards it. Where they are shooting themselves in the foot is their advertising of a particular contestant, thus pushing the other one out of the way sort of thing. They are contradicting themselves like mad. Hopefully this should backfire on the judges and Matt gets through to the final, but I'm not holding my breath on it.
rebella
10-12-2010
Well,,, I'm home in Northern Ireland tomorrow night, so I'll be able to vote for Matt for the first time this series. And although I thought Kara was best tonight, he'll be getting a whole pile of votes from me because of the absurdity of the judges tonight. Matt's been in the top 3 all series, and I don't want either Aliona or the judges to stop him getting to the final.
drbolognaise
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“The sky must be falling

Scott was half asleep during his AS, and he messed up countless times. The nines were a total disgrace.”

That's sooo 2 weeks ago! I thought the battle of the AS' was finished
lilpilgrim
10-12-2010
Originally Posted by lilpilgrim:
“Matt's Salsa lacked bounce and where was the carnival atmosphere?..... Look - I can't tell apels from apples, but....”

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Sorry, Samba needs bounce, salsa doesn't.”

Thanks SCD-Observer for confirming my lack of dance knowledge! (hangs head in shame) Anyway, hope it didn't detract from my opinion
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