Three tens for a dance with a false move in it.

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strictlyawesome

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by clayton_st:
“How on earth could Kara get three tens (Len,,Aleesha,,Barmy Bruno) for a dance in which they performed an illegal lift.
It seems these three judges are clueless and very biassed towards Kara and Pam but biassed against Matt.
Kara is a good dancer and doesn't need the boost in scores from these jaundiced judges.”

It was'nt an illegal lift !! It was'nt intentional, her foot just slightly left the floor !!!

TylerTango

12-12-2010

Actually, the dance was worth 100 out of 10, so each Judge did deduct a point, you just couldn't see it.

peeve

12-12-2010

This point has been discussed in so many different threads that I've forgotten where I saw it, but one FM who is a dance expert said that this kind of accidental lift happens in professional competitions, even world-class competitions, and is generally ignored by the judges.

I am a big fan of Kara's and want her to win the competition, but although I enjoyed her VW, I wouldn't have given it a 10 but a 9. However, the point would not have been deducted for 'Liftgate', but because so much of the VW was danced out of hold.

As for her rumba, words fail me. It was sublime and her foot came off the floor for a nano-second. I would have given it a 10 in a heartbeat. There wasn't a false move in it, from beginning to end, and it was perfect except for a tiny wobble and adjustment - but I only saw that because I have been watching it obsessively!

I fear the OP has been munching on sour grapes. They are bad for the digestion and can bring about involuntary burping, which is how I interpret this criticism.

Noone

12-12-2010

Amen, peeve.

Kara seems to have to be perfect - the judges said so - the others celebs? Not so much.

isopap

12-12-2010

Considering Pamela got 40 for one of the most awful quicksteps I've seen I'd actually say Kara was undermarked.

supratentorial

12-12-2010

As my husband remarked last night, "it's all scripted"

maggie_07

12-12-2010

This is not a professional competition where the dancers have been training for months or years to reach a high standard. In my mind an unintentional foot off the floor should not be penalised in this type of competition if the dance is otherwise brilliant.

Most of the people watching are not professionals and wouldn't even notice. If a dance is well choreographed, brilliantly executed and beautiful to watch, then tiny mistakes shouldn't matter.

This is how I judge a dance and also on whether I would want to watch it again. I have watched several of Kara and Artem's dances over and over. I have never felt inclined to watch Pamela and James again, even though they got 40's. I'd rather watch a beautiful, exciting dance even with a little mistake than a boring dance with no mistakes.

Muggsy

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“This is not a professional competition where the dancers have been training for months or years to reach a high standard. In my mind an unintentional foot off the floor should not be penalised in this type of competition if the dance is otherwise brilliant.

Most of the people watching are not professionals and wouldn't even notice. If a dance is well choreographed, brilliantly executed and beautiful to watch, then tiny mistakes shouldn't matter.

This is how I judge a dance and also on whether I would want to watch it again. I have watched several of Kara and Artem's dances over and over. I have never felt inclined to watch Pamela and James again, even though they got 40's. I'd rather watch a beautiful, exciting dance even with a little mistake than a boring dance with no mistakes.”

Well said.

Forget-me-not

12-12-2010

Pamela's quickstep seemed quite pedestrian to me with a lot of out of hold which Len obviously decided he didn't mind, having slated others for it in the past.

When I think back to Denise and Ian's sublime and often remembered quickstep which didn't (I think) even get 10's it is hard to understand the thinking behind the marking of something that doesn't really compare to it. It is the inconsistency of the judges, particulary Len who seems to have movable standards that causes most of the conspiracy theories.

Noone

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by maggie_07:
“This is not a professional competition where the dancers have been training for months or years to reach a high standard. In my mind an unintentional foot off the floor should not be penalised in this type of competition if the dance is otherwise brilliant.

Most of the people watching are not professionals and wouldn't even notice. If a dance is well choreographed, brilliantly executed and beautiful to watch, then tiny mistakes shouldn't matter.

This is how I judge a dance and also on whether I would want to watch it again. I have watched several of Kara and Artem's dances over and over. I have never felt inclined to watch Pamela and James again, even though they got 40's. I'd rather watch a beautiful, exciting dance even with a little mistake than a boring dance with no mistakes.”

Oh yes...and I bet the judges would too if you asked for their private opinion. Mystifying

clayton_st

12-12-2010

The original post was to highlight (IMO) the poor standard of judging.
There are too many tens being dished out by the three stooges.
Four tens for Pam was wrong,but that doesn't mean that 3 tens for Kara was correct. Two wrongs etc etc .
Kara is an excellent dancer and may win if Matt doesn't sort out the choreography with Aliona.
I have enjoyed watching Kara,Matt, Scott occasionally perform their dances.

northturton

12-12-2010

you think the judges are biased towards Kara and Pamela?

Every since week 1 Len has had pro dancer Natalie in his sites for the final, despite the fumbling mistakes from Scottttttttttttt in 2 latin, and the farsical American Smooth,and then his Charleston was a bore and clumpy in comparison to Matts/Pamelas/Karas - yet still scores high marks!

Seamus2008

12-12-2010

In a way, it reminded me of Brendan and Kelly's wonderful AS. Perfect IMO but following their "illegal" lift, the judges had to lower their score; only Bruno gave them a 10. At that time, Arlene was still a judge and Alesha was dancing with Matt.

Doghouse Riley

12-12-2010

Hmm..

Three tens?

Can't see how something not much harder than the hokey-cokey got four tens.

trevvytrev21

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by tangos_with_tim:
“I loved Kara's VW, preferred it to Pamela's actually.

I think that particular move should just be classed as a lift regardless of whether the lady manages to force her toe to just about brush the floor or not, because it's not as if that one toe is ever taking any of the bodywieght either way. Class it as a lift, then all the pros will just save it for the Smooth and not chance it.

Personally I loved it though and would have been with Len, Alesha and Bruno. It was better than Ali and Brian's VW which got 40 last year as well, Kara is exquisite.”

Totally agree, I never got the whole Ali and Brian thing. *Shrugs* Her AT costume still gives me the odd nightmare

(those SHOES!

).

Len has been quite picky with Kara throughout the series and will mention technical faults, usually. Even he had to give it a 10!

The woeful overmarking of Scott is to blame, not Kara.

Paace

12-12-2010

I am a Kara fan but this is the semi final stage and all the competitors apart from Gavin are excellent with very little between them.

If we are to separate them and find the best of an excellent bunch then mistakes have to be taken into account. Kara had both feet off the floor and it was unmissable. She should have had 4x9's . Len and the other two muppets Alehsa and Bruno are a joke. They are getting paid £90,000 each for their supposed expertise and ignore an obvious fault .

Those 3 have totally devalued the impact of a 10 which should only be given for an exceptional dance.

I blame Artem for including that very risky move in the VW when there was no need for it.

jenda57

12-12-2010

It's a sad reflection of the marking. One of the things I admired SCD for was its marking but with the the new rules regarding the structure of the dances, some of the costume/hairstyles and the dreadful marking it's becoming a poor relation of DWTS. Not the fault of any celebrities but the BBC

fiffy35

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Hmm..

Three tens?

Can't see how something not much harder than the hokey-cokey got four tens.”

LOL!!!!!!!!!

It was rather left foot in, left foot out

fiffy35

12-12-2010

On the other hand, how can a waltz with a posture with no neck extension or backwards flexion from the male partner get 4 tens?????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YelDmD38etI

or Alesha's maybe???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNsb5eA1Bx8

compared with......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QNY2...feature=channe

I know which ones got full or near full marks and I know which one shouldn't have got 40 too.

Ignazio

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by Forget-me-not:
“Pamela's quickstep seemed quite pedestrian to me with a lot of out of hold which Len obviously decided he didn't mind, having slated others for it in the past.

When I think back to Denise and Ian's sublime and often remembered quickstep which didn't (I think) even get 10's it is hard to understand the thinking behind the marking of something that doesn't really compare to it. It is the inconsistency of the judges, particulary Len who seems to have movable standards that causes most of the conspiracy theories.”

By placing Pamela undeservedly top of the leaderboard, the judges are trying to keep her out of danger.

We'll find out whether it worked later this evening.

Azla Axe

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by Paace:
“I am a Kara fan but this is the semi final stage and all the competitors apart from Gavin are excellent with very little between them.

If we are to separate them and find the best of an excellent bunch then mistakes have to be taken into account. Kara had both feet off the floor and it was unmissable. She should have had 4x9's . Len and the other two muppets Alehsa and Bruno are a joke. They are getting paid £90,000 each for their supposed expertise and ignore an obvious fault .

Those 3 have totally devalued the impact of a 10 which should only be given for an exceptional dance.

I blame Artem for including that very risky move in the VW when there was no need for it.”

I agree! A variation of this move was on their rumba too, and it was the one that cost them the 1 point from Craig. If Artem was after the judges scores he could have easily replace the move with something safer on Saturday morning. I'm glad he didn't though, as their rumba was just perfect as it was.

I'd rather watch Artem's very complex and interesting dances that are not marked perfect, than the simple boring dances James choreographs for Pamela that get 40s from the judges.

TylerTango

12-12-2010

Originally Posted by Azla Axe:
“I'd rather watch Artem's very complex and interesting dances that are not marked perfect, than the simple boring dances James choreographs for Pamela that get 40s from the judges.”

And this, is the crux of the matter.

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