Oh Dorabella - please read (C) and (D) above.
OOOPS now I've done it too. Will refer myself to (C) and (D) above above.

Can we get back to hate and general nastiness now please? It is Sunday after all.

I suspect there is 'an issue here' - as others have already pointed out - and I also suspect you have now offended a very large majority on this board with your sweeping generalisation.

Trickery with semantics and word play do not disguise you're failure to engage with the arguement.

That is very cliched! And it is the sort of accusation which usually gets people hot under the collar.

I admit that I am very jealous of Kara for being young and beautiful, and I'm jealous of Pamela for being wonderful dancer especially at her age. But I am supporting both of them, rather than "hating" them. And I'm sure some of those who feel strongly that they don't like them, have reasons for not doing so, other than jealousy.

Sorry, Phoebe,

Darren to win, Colin in second place, I feel.

Especially since it's against the forum rules.


Ah, but if it's in the thread title, it's seen again and again and again even by people who don't enter the thread. It might even be noticed by one of the tabloids, or by someone who works for the show.

That may also be why thread titles -- like newspaper headlines -- often proclaim something more extreme than the facts or thread contents actually deliver.

Haven't you figured it out yet the show is so boring and canned the forum is a way of breaking the tedium. it needs goodies and baddies just like soaps to generate interest.

Firstly, I think to call much of what is on the forums hate is an exaggeration. There's some camped-up, exaggerated dislike, I grant, but little real vitriol.

Secondly, I don't believe that there's really much jealousy. From what I read, most of 'hate' is there for humorous effect. Granted, I never got involved in much of the stuff about Ann Widdicombe, because I just can't get that heated about what is just a bit of TV fluff. But surely no one is thinking we women were 'just jealous' of her?

I actually find the most offensive stuff on the forums is the tendency towards statements of opinions as if they were absolute fact. Or lazy generalisations like 'people hated Lisa Snowden because she was beautiful'. It seems to me to demonstrate the poster's complete inability to acknowledge that there may be other, legitimate, points of view about someone they like. The accompanying tendency to elevate favourites to semi-deities incapable of wrong-doing also makes me wonder whether some posters are in a delusional state.

But - though I've quoted you, I assure you, I don't include you in any of those categories, youngswede: you acknowledge, like any sane person, that 'jealousy' is your guess, not a gospel truth.

Well,I remember one thread title about Ann Widdecombe's BO!!
Luckily the FMs rubbished it.

I think there's plenty of real dislike, expressed in personal and insulting ways. I don't think it matters very much whether it technically qualifies as "hate" or "vitriol".

And there's often something genuinely unpleasant behind much of the hostile "humour".


Of course, the claim is that it's usually down to jealousy, not that it always is; and jealousy can be for a number of different reasons. It doesn't have to be jealousy of the person's looks.

For various reasons, including that one, the usual argument that "it can't be jealousy that makes me dislike X, because Y is even better looking and I like her" doesn't work very well.


I think that's usually a trivial matter of wording. People are obviously posting opinions even if they don't pepper their posts with "imo", "I think", "it seems to me", and the like.


Well, they had to have some bad reason for 'hating' Lisa, and that seems a very plausible one. But the dislike for good-looking (and slender and young -- Lisa looked younger than she was) women isn't completely automatic. Instead, they get a tiny margin of error with some viewers (a point due to FM Villa, years ago, and imo a key insight).

And so called 'lazy generalisations' are often just due to a desire to write a shorter, more readable post, rather than one packed with qualifications and explanations. There is also a tendency to think that if someone doesn't explicitly say "some", they must mean "all", but that's not the case.


I think pretty much everyone would acknowledge that there may other points of view, and even that there are such points of view; but whether they explain much of what's actually happening is another matter.

And I don't think people really think their favourites are incapable of doing wrong; they just think they haven't done the wrongs they're being accused of doing.

Women seem to get a particularly bad deal on this forum. I have heard really unfair comments about Pam and some of the pro female dancers, who have done nothing wrong. They haven't been nasty, but people attack them and hate them for no reason

I would understand if there were genuinely nasty and unpleasant people on the show (well, there was Ann ) but sometimes it is uncalled for.

What is interesting is that this forum really doesn't represent the general public view. Vincent and Brendan are quite popular here, but everywhere else they get a lot of flack for being rude and arrogant, but people here seem to forgive them because they think they are "cute".

Totally and they shouldn't attract vitroil to the person concerned. Scott has been over-marked but he's never given the impression not being aware of it indeed when he was in the bottom two last week he seemed to say he understood it as he not performed the week before.

Contrats on the expected arrival There's a fair amout of vitriol headed for Chris too last year. Never understood either - they both seemed like nice guys and seemed to get on well - I found Ricky a tad unengaging on the dancefloor and Chris wasn't the best dancer techincially. I think Widdy's defenders/suspected WUW have been OTT about saying the judges and her detractors are mean but even I who felt most of the critism was valid felt people going on about her sticking literally were going too far.

How was my post 'so nasty' ?

What an exciting life you must lead. I personally do spend my life on this forum, and have no existence outside of it. In fact, there is no "outside" for me.


Good point. I was struck by the number also.

Why is it so low?


So, no hint of sexism in that comment then.


Sexist post.

Surely not?

Well, yes... similar names for previous years also. I can't be bothered to look them up though.

And you missed the point - her nickname is not "Tranny", it's Bad Tranny.


I think you don't understand the entire concept of the non-appreciation thread.

I suspect that no matter how clearly it's explained to you, you will still fail to understand it.

If you don't like it, don't bloody read the thing. God knows there are plenty of other threads to read. No-one's forcing you to open it.

So, out of interest, would you say that the people who hate are jealous?

The definition of criticism or indeed disagreement is not hate nor is it jealousy.

Pamela does not appeal to me in the slightest, because I find her irritating, she overacts, and the breathless throat clutching "thank you" every week is insincere luviness at it's worst.

But hate?



I don't waste that sort of energy on someone I don't know.

Dunno, DJ, call me psychic but it's just a feeling I've got.

I think it has been particularly bad this year, I have never read such nasty comments, I almost stopped coming on. I've never had to defend my favourite couple as much as I have this year. Spoils it in a way but it's the nature of the show and won't ever change.

Seems almost impossible to believe, what with that silver tongue and all. But OK, I'll take your word for it.

I think you need to be more specific than that. I, for example, have no time at all for Pamela (and had none for Paul Daniels either) and have posted frequently to that effect. So by your definition I "hate" them.

But I'm at a loss to know exactly what you think I'm jealous of. Could you enllghten me please?

Your quite right the general nastiness here does spoil things, some people continually try to dress up nasty comments personal insults and abuse as an opinion or negative comment which it is clearly not.

I suppose I find it easier to understand what people are saying if they are precise about expressing it.

And surely it is merely a matter of opinion as to what is behind the 'hostile humour'. Maybe it's just... humour?