I dont think that Matt is any more competative than any of the others but for me he doesnt seem to show any enjoyment in it.......so in that respect yes he is taking it too seriously, but this is probably just his nature which is a bit on the serious side. His videos and ITT interviews are all full of how hard it all is and how hard they are working, but never seems to be tempered with any laughter or fun. He has had one, admittedly quite awful, bashing from the judges and took it very much to heart, but this was Alionas fault. Goodness me Gavin has been mauled every week and likened to a wooden floor on one occasion and just shrugged his shoulders.......Matt needs to lighten up generally. So yes he is taking it too seriously but perhaps not in the way that the OP thinks.
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Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I dont think that Matt is any more competative than any of the others but for me he doesnt seem to show any enjoyment in it.......so in that respect yes he is taking it too seriously, but this is probably just his nature which is a bit on the serious side. His videos and ITT interviews are all full of how hard it all is and how hard they are working, but never seems to be tempered with any laughter or fun. He has had one, admittedly quite awful, bashing from the judges and took it very much to heart, but this was Alionas fault. Goodness me Gavin has been mauled every week and likened to a wooden floor on one occasion and just shrugged his shoulders.......Matt needs to lighten up generally. So yes he is taking it too seriously but perhaps not in the way that the OP thinks.”
“I dont think that Matt is any more competative than any of the others but for me he doesnt seem to show any enjoyment in it.......so in that respect yes he is taking it too seriously, but this is probably just his nature which is a bit on the serious side. His videos and ITT interviews are all full of how hard it all is and how hard they are working, but never seems to be tempered with any laughter or fun. He has had one, admittedly quite awful, bashing from the judges and took it very much to heart, but this was Alionas fault. Goodness me Gavin has been mauled every week and likened to a wooden floor on one occasion and just shrugged his shoulders.......Matt needs to lighten up generally. So yes he is taking it too seriously but perhaps not in the way that the OP thinks.”
Oh thanks Jan, you put that so much better than I could. He's just not, by nature, a bundle of laughs.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“But Matt has always been a "winner" according to the BBC...... Blue Peter, Countryfile and soon the big prize, host on "The One Show!"
Strictly is a BBC programme, so, "why isn't he a winner on that?"
Unfortunately, it isn't the BBC "suits" making the decisions.
Yes Gabby Logan did herself no favours, when things don't go their own way the "true nature" of some people often comes out (a bit like golf). Did you see the bit in the clips where he stormed out into the corridor after his performance completely ignoring Aliona? They cut that short.”
“But Matt has always been a "winner" according to the BBC...... Blue Peter, Countryfile and soon the big prize, host on "The One Show!"
Strictly is a BBC programme, so, "why isn't he a winner on that?"
Unfortunately, it isn't the BBC "suits" making the decisions.
Yes Gabby Logan did herself no favours, when things don't go their own way the "true nature" of some people often comes out (a bit like golf). Did you see the bit in the clips where he stormed out into the corridor after his performance completely ignoring Aliona? They cut that short.”
Indeed I have, I would imagine he was a lot worse but they had to cut it short not to tarnish his boy next door image.
I don't think Gabby was that bad, I think she wanted it badly but was very gracious about it. Something which Matt lacks.
I think Matt enjoys dancing and once he learns the routine to a point where he can relax, you can see that enjoyment coming out.
Aliona sometimes throws everything including the kitchen sink into the routine and that can result in Matt not being ready to deliver it. It hasn't stopped them and Matt has put his heart and soul into learning the routines.
This year, the viewers count more than the judges and Aliona has choreographed for the viewers. Given the inconsistency of the judges, I can understand why Aliona doesn't try to hit a moving target.
I do think she should have put a bit less content into the routines and spent a bit more time on teaching technique, but generally the routines have a lot of crowd-pleasability.
She was teaching Matt technique well for the Cha Cha Cha, so I think she is a good teacher and can do choreography like the Tango anytime she chooses.
Aliona sometimes throws everything including the kitchen sink into the routine and that can result in Matt not being ready to deliver it. It hasn't stopped them and Matt has put his heart and soul into learning the routines.
This year, the viewers count more than the judges and Aliona has choreographed for the viewers. Given the inconsistency of the judges, I can understand why Aliona doesn't try to hit a moving target.
I do think she should have put a bit less content into the routines and spent a bit more time on teaching technique, but generally the routines have a lot of crowd-pleasability.
She was teaching Matt technique well for the Cha Cha Cha, so I think she is a good teacher and can do choreography like the Tango anytime she chooses.
All we saw is him dashing through a doorway, admittedly not with a smile on his face at the time, but I'm not sure we can assume what the intent was he could have been dashing to the bathroom for all we know!
Rather than cutting something short that we don't know happened, I am left feeling that they chose to show something that might have been nothing.
Rather than cutting something short that we don't know happened, I am left feeling that they chose to show something that might have been nothing.
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I dont think that Matt is any more competative than any of the others but for me he doesnt seem to show any enjoyment in it.......so in that respect yes he is taking it too seriously, but this is probably just his nature which is a bit on the serious side. His videos and ITT interviews are all full of how hard it all is and how hard they are working, but never seems to be tempered with any laughter or fun. He has had one, admittedly quite awful, bashing from the judges and took it very much to heart, but this was Alionas fault. Goodness me Gavin has been mauled every week and likened to a wooden floor on one occasion and just shrugged his shoulders.......Matt needs to lighten up generally. So yes he is taking it too seriously but perhaps not in the way that the OP thinks.”
“I dont think that Matt is any more competative than any of the others but for me he doesnt seem to show any enjoyment in it.......so in that respect yes he is taking it too seriously, but this is probably just his nature which is a bit on the serious side. His videos and ITT interviews are all full of how hard it all is and how hard they are working, but never seems to be tempered with any laughter or fun. He has had one, admittedly quite awful, bashing from the judges and took it very much to heart, but this was Alionas fault. Goodness me Gavin has been mauled every week and likened to a wooden floor on one occasion and just shrugged his shoulders.......Matt needs to lighten up generally. So yes he is taking it too seriously but perhaps not in the way that the OP thinks.”
I understand your point about him being serious person.But why the storming off and the bad attitude. You can be serious person and polite.
Originally Posted by Yasmin26:
“I understand your point about him being serious person.But why the storming off and the bad attitude. You can be serious person and polite.”
“I understand your point about him being serious person.But why the storming off and the bad attitude. You can be serious person and polite.”
I am not a Matt fan by the stretch of anyones imagination but even I know this is a load of nonsense. He danced last and had a very short time to get changed for the swingamess as everyone else was ready, I dont think he was storming off although I think he was very upset. I havent seen him being impolite as far as I know, but if you want to think that then fair enough, as I said it would be easy for me to agree with you because I cant stand the man but I try not to let my prejudice get in the way of the facts. I prefer to just put my vote toward my own favourite and hope that she will be victorious in the end.
Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“All we saw is him dashing through a doorway, admittedly not with a smile on his face at the time, but I'm not sure we can assume what the intent was he could have been dashing to the bathroom for all we know!
Rather than cutting something short that we don't know happened, I am left feeling that they chose to show something that might have been nothing.”
“All we saw is him dashing through a doorway, admittedly not with a smile on his face at the time, but I'm not sure we can assume what the intent was he could have been dashing to the bathroom for all we know!
Rather than cutting something short that we don't know happened, I am left feeling that they chose to show something that might have been nothing.”
Err..
Come on! It's the BBC, he's their "blue-eyed boy!"
That wasn't an "I must go to the bathroom" look!
I try not to let personal preferences cloud my judgment. I think Kara's the "winner" but I've already said Craig was right to only give her a nine.
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Err..
Come on! It's the BBC, he's their "blue-eyed boy!"
That wasn't an "I must go to the bathroom" look!
I try not to let personal preferences cloud my judgment. I think Kara's the "winner" but I've already said Craig was right to only give her a nine.”
“Err..
Come on! It's the BBC, he's their "blue-eyed boy!"
That wasn't an "I must go to the bathroom" look!
I try not to let personal preferences cloud my judgment. I think Kara's the "winner" but I've already said Craig was right to only give her a nine.”
He was rushing to change for the Swingathon! The show was live, he had all of about five minutes!!! He like any other of the contestants would hardly smile when not a couple of minutes before they received a bunch of negative comments.
Why would anyone try to make this something it's not? Agenda? It was what it was.
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I am not a Matt fan by the stretch of anyones imagination but even I know this is a load of nonsense. He danced last and had a very short time to get changed for the swingamess as everyone else was ready, I dont think he was storming off although I think he was very upset. I havent seen him being impolite as far as I know, but if you want to think that then fair enough, as I said it would be easy for me to agree with you because I cant stand the man but I try not to let my prejudice get in the way of the facts. I prefer to just put my vote toward my own favourite and hope that she will be victorious in the end.”
“I am not a Matt fan by the stretch of anyones imagination but even I know this is a load of nonsense. He danced last and had a very short time to get changed for the swingamess as everyone else was ready, I dont think he was storming off although I think he was very upset. I havent seen him being impolite as far as I know, but if you want to think that then fair enough, as I said it would be easy for me to agree with you because I cant stand the man but I try not to let my prejudice get in the way of the facts. I prefer to just put my vote toward my own favourite and hope that she will be victorious in the end.”
Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.
Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.
Originally Posted by Yasmin26:
“Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.”
“Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.”
Anyone would have been knocked back by such harsh criticism and an unnecessarily sour face from Len, after such a response from the audience. You seem to be 'seeing' something that's not there. I think he did take the criticism and came back with a strong dance. Aliona, not Matt, was at fault for choreographing a dance that didn't have enough salsa or to quote Craig 'armography' and putting elements that didn't suit the dance. However, Matt and Aliona are very supportive of one another. They both came back fighting.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.”
“Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.”
*Applauds loudly*
I agree with everything you've said - I just wish I'd thought of it first!
Originally Posted by Yasmin26:
“Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.”
“Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.”
No I was implying that I am prejudiced and could easily rubbish Matt but in this case it wouldnt be very fair too. I think he WAS close to tears and actually I agree he isnt used to taking criticism, I think that the judges should have pulled up Aliona sharply long before semi final weekend then it might not have been such a shock to him.
Originally Posted by Yasmin26:
“Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.”
“Well I'm not prejudiced against Matt if that's what your implying.
I'm going off on what I have seen from Matt, its not out of character for him to storm off, sense he finds it difficult to take criticism and on the night he looked almost in tears when talking to Tess.”
Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.”
“Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.”
It's the old argument of performance over technique and why some sports personalities haven't been that popular. I was critical of Alesha because she was a case in point that performance weighs more heavily with the judges. For me, technique comes first, so I've been backing Kara and Matt rather than Pamela.
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.”
“Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.”
Me too. Better to be honest and own up to not liking someone rather than making things up.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.”
“Matt has always been very competitive. To do well in gymnastics you HAVE to be. However he does seem to concentrate on being step perfect to the detriment of the performance. Possibly why he never got the marks from the judges all his fans expected.
This may be why Pam gets top marks for a less than perfect dance - she managed to show her enjoyment and love of what she was doing and this overrides the errors. Also why Kara never got a 10 from Craig as the small mistakes when you are that good will lose you a point.
The enjoyment in what you are doing is vital. Natasha, Jill, Darren, Mark, Alesha, Tom and Chris ALL had the love of the dance which overcame the mistakes, dress disasters, self conciousness and technical weaknesses to make them winners.”
Well said. You need that, that's one of the reasons why I loved Jimi Mistry.
Originally Posted by sonic157:
“Anyone would have been knocked back by such harsh criticism and an unnecessarily sour face from Len, after such a response from the audience. You seem to be 'seeing' something that's not there. I think he did take the criticism and came back with a strong dance. Aliona, not Matt, was at fault for choreographing a dance that didn't have enough salsa or to quote Craig 'armography' and putting elements that didn't suit the dance. However, Matt and Aliona are very supportive of one another. They both came back fighting.”
“Anyone would have been knocked back by such harsh criticism and an unnecessarily sour face from Len, after such a response from the audience. You seem to be 'seeing' something that's not there. I think he did take the criticism and came back with a strong dance. Aliona, not Matt, was at fault for choreographing a dance that didn't have enough salsa or to quote Craig 'armography' and putting elements that didn't suit the dance. However, Matt and Aliona are very supportive of one another. They both came back fighting.”
I disagree with that. The judges comments on their Salsa was totally justified. The dance was not lose and free like a salsa should be. That is because of Matt not Aliona. How on earth did he take it well, he looked gutted like he was told he was finished.
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.”
“Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.”
I know this wasn't directed at me but I was accused of the same thing and I just wanted to use this as an example of what I'm talking about - if you are continually disappointed by a contestant's dancing and you eventually find yourself almost at the point of annoyance with them, your posting history will look like yeah, you're just out on a mission to destroy them with words and fans of the contestant use this to try to nullify your opinion. For me, I haven't been excited by Matt's dancing at all since the start and I believe he was overhyped from the word go and of course, I have posted such feelings on any thread which has appeared about that subject - which is my right - and certain fans of Matt have taken that and used it as a reason for why I'm a "troll" and "basher" and aside from being very childish, it is also totally wrong. I, and a lot of other people who feel the same way about Matt, did not start this series with a vendetta against him, with a favourite that we feel was threatened by him and we still said these things from week 1. Maybe it's because we feel it's true? Maybe it's not because we just dislike him for some arbitrary reason or we feel threatened by him - maybe it's because we genuinely think he's overrated and not that fabulous? And maybe, after the 50th accusation levelled at us that we just "hate and feel threatened by Matt" we get a little sick of having our opinions brushed aside by his fans who want to undermine any negativity directed at Matt by fragile means?
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“I know this wasn't directed at me but I was accused of the same thing and I just wanted to use this as an example of what I'm talking about - if you are continually disappointed by a contestant's dancing and you eventually find yourself almost at the point of annoyance with them, your posting history will look like yeah, you're just out on a mission to destroy them with words and fans of the contestant use this to try to nullify your opinion. For me, I haven't been excited by Matt's dancing at all since the start and I believe he was overhyped from the word go and of course, I have posted such feelings on any thread which has appeared about that subject - which is my right - and certain fans of Matt have taken that and used it as a reason for why I'm a "troll" and "basher" and aside from being very childish, it is also totally wrong. I, and a lot of other people who feel the same way about Matt, did not start this series with a vendetta against him, with a favourite that we feel was threatened by him and we still said these things from week 1. Maybe it's because we feel it's true? Maybe it's not because we just dislike him for some arbitrary reason or we feel threatened by him - maybe it's because we genuinely think he's overrated and not that fabulous? And maybe, after the 50th accusation levelled at us that we just "hate and feel threatened by Matt" we get a little sick of having our opinions brushed aside by his fans who want to undermine any negativity directed at Matt by fragile means?”
“I know this wasn't directed at me but I was accused of the same thing and I just wanted to use this as an example of what I'm talking about - if you are continually disappointed by a contestant's dancing and you eventually find yourself almost at the point of annoyance with them, your posting history will look like yeah, you're just out on a mission to destroy them with words and fans of the contestant use this to try to nullify your opinion. For me, I haven't been excited by Matt's dancing at all since the start and I believe he was overhyped from the word go and of course, I have posted such feelings on any thread which has appeared about that subject - which is my right - and certain fans of Matt have taken that and used it as a reason for why I'm a "troll" and "basher" and aside from being very childish, it is also totally wrong. I, and a lot of other people who feel the same way about Matt, did not start this series with a vendetta against him, with a favourite that we feel was threatened by him and we still said these things from week 1. Maybe it's because we feel it's true? Maybe it's not because we just dislike him for some arbitrary reason or we feel threatened by him - maybe it's because we genuinely think he's overrated and not that fabulous? And maybe, after the 50th accusation levelled at us that we just "hate and feel threatened by Matt" we get a little sick of having our opinions brushed aside by his fans who want to undermine any negativity directed at Matt by fragile means?”
I take your point. Personally I would agree with most that his Salsa was below par. That some of the choreography was urgh, that he pushes himself too hard to be a technician rather than live the dance at times. All reasonable critiques. It's when suddenly posters rewrite history, talk of people storming off, never being able to criticism without having a paddy etc. that I get annoyed. Criticise yes, don't try to slur a character unless it's blatantly true.
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“No I was implying that am prejudiced and could easily rubbish Matt but in this case it wouldnt be very fair too. I think he WAS close to tears and actually I agree he isnt used to taking criticism, I think that the judges should have pulled up Aliona sharply long before semi final weekend then it might not have been such a shock to him.”
“No I was implying that am prejudiced and could easily rubbish Matt but in this case it wouldnt be very fair too. I think he WAS close to tears and actually I agree he isnt used to taking criticism, I think that the judges should have pulled up Aliona sharply long before semi final weekend then it might not have been such a shock to him.”
I absolutely think the judges should pull up the pros more often when they are to blame, like they do in DWTS. It would make it much more interesting.
But I honestly don't think Aliona was to blame for the Salsa. It's becoming quite the theme to put all the blame on Aliona.
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.”
“Judging from your posting history I would say you really dislike Matt actually. Absolutely your prerogative.
I have never seen any of the contestants storm off anywhere in fairness to them all. If anyone has just received a very negative response from the judges they would look a little idiotic to beam inanely whilst waiting for their scores!
Personally I would rather just say if I didn't like a contestant, be upfront, rather than try to undermine using fragile means.”
I find all that laughable, why is my contribution to thread linked to whether I like Matt or not. I don't enjoy Matt's dancing and I have been upfront about that.
But why do I have to point it out to you.
That's just silly and I often find people use the "you hate him" card to deter from the discussion. Quite childish.
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“I know this wasn't directed at me but I was accused of the same thing and I just wanted to use this as an example of what I'm talking about - if you are continually disappointed by a contestant's dancing and you eventually find yourself almost at the point of annoyance with them, your posting history will look like yeah, you're just out on a mission to destroy them with words and fans of the contestant use this to try to nullify your opinion. For me, I haven't been excited by Matt's dancing at all since the start and I believe he was overhyped from the word go and of course, I have posted such feelings on any thread which has appeared about that subject - which is my right - and certain fans of Matt have taken that and used it as a reason for why I'm a "troll" and "basher" and aside from being very childish, it is also totally wrong. I, and a lot of other people who feel the same way about Matt, did not start this series with a vendetta against him, with a favourite that we feel was threatened by him and we still said these things from week 1. Maybe it's because we feel it's true? Maybe it's not because we just dislike him for some arbitrary reason or we feel threatened by him - maybe it's because we genuinely think he's overrated and not that fabulous? And maybe, after the 50th accusation levelled at us that we just "hate and feel threatened by Matt" we get a little sick of having our opinions brushed aside by his fans who want to undermine any negativity directed at Matt by fragile means?”
“I know this wasn't directed at me but I was accused of the same thing and I just wanted to use this as an example of what I'm talking about - if you are continually disappointed by a contestant's dancing and you eventually find yourself almost at the point of annoyance with them, your posting history will look like yeah, you're just out on a mission to destroy them with words and fans of the contestant use this to try to nullify your opinion. For me, I haven't been excited by Matt's dancing at all since the start and I believe he was overhyped from the word go and of course, I have posted such feelings on any thread which has appeared about that subject - which is my right - and certain fans of Matt have taken that and used it as a reason for why I'm a "troll" and "basher" and aside from being very childish, it is also totally wrong. I, and a lot of other people who feel the same way about Matt, did not start this series with a vendetta against him, with a favourite that we feel was threatened by him and we still said these things from week 1. Maybe it's because we feel it's true? Maybe it's not because we just dislike him for some arbitrary reason or we feel threatened by him - maybe it's because we genuinely think he's overrated and not that fabulous? And maybe, after the 50th accusation levelled at us that we just "hate and feel threatened by Matt" we get a little sick of having our opinions brushed aside by his fans who want to undermine any negativity directed at Matt by fragile means?”
Thank you, I think you put what I was trying to say in very eloquent way.
Originally Posted by Yasmin26:
“I absolutely think the judges should pull up the pros more often when they are to blame, like they do in DWTS. It would make it much more interesting.
But I honestly don't think Aliona was to blame for the Salsa. It's becoming quite the theme to put all the blame on Aliona.
I find all that laughable, why is my contribution to thread linked to whether I like Matt or not. I don't enjoy Matt's dancing and I have been upfront about that.
But why do I have to point it out to you.
That's just silly and I often find people use the "you hate him" card to deter from the discussion. Quite childish.”
“I absolutely think the judges should pull up the pros more often when they are to blame, like they do in DWTS. It would make it much more interesting.
But I honestly don't think Aliona was to blame for the Salsa. It's becoming quite the theme to put all the blame on Aliona.
I find all that laughable, why is my contribution to thread linked to whether I like Matt or not. I don't enjoy Matt's dancing and I have been upfront about that.
But why do I have to point it out to you.
That's just silly and I often find people use the "you hate him" card to deter from the discussion. Quite childish.”
Then I am cock a hoop to provide light relief as after all this is only an entertainment show.
Great, you don't enjoy Matt, I have no problem with that at all. My problem was the insinuation that Matt was such a bad tempered person he 'stormed' off in a paddy. Rather than the more common sense alternative that he was rushing to change for his next number.
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