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I wonder how many of the Pamela haters.
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indigomoon
12-12-2010
My thoughts,

Those that comment on her looks eg legs, botox ,weight are displaying the nasty side of fish wifery but in my experience men can be just as bad as women.

Those who attack because of overmarking are just being plain unfair and illogical. She doesn't award herself these scores the judges do and she can hardly hand them back. So far better to rail at the judges. It seems that these attacks are more along the lines of dragging the opposition down. Not nice really, all the contestants have worked hard to provide us with entertainment and deserve a more sporting attitude.

Those who genuinely feel that she shouldn't be there , well I don't agree. Since Scott's tailing of she has definitely been at least the third best dancer left IMO. Why spoil her supporters enjoyment by bringing down this miasma of negativity.

By the way I'm supporting Kara for the win ( best dancer ) and also I was not impressed by Matt treatment at the hands of the judges. Turning that same bile on Pamela however is in my book just as bad.
soulmate61
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Bl**dy cheek! I'm years away from 50! (well 9) Flounces out of thread to unappreciate soulmate in the unappreciation thread! How very dare you! ”

Alli-F come back, come back, you have misunderstood me, I am a much misunderstood man . I am merely acting as talent scout searching for candidates today who in 20 years time will be as outstanding as Pamela.
shefair
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by indigomoon:
“My thoughts,

Those that comment on her looks eg legs, botox ,weight are displaying the nasty side of fish wifery but in my experience men can be just as bad as women.

Those who attack because of overmarking are just being plain unfair and illogical. She doesn't award herself these scores the judges do and she can hardly hand them back. So far better to rail at the judges. It seems that these attacks are more along the lines of dragging the opposition down. Not nice really, all the contestants have worked hard to provide us with entertainment and deserve a more sporting attitude.

Those who genuinely feel that she shouldn't be there , well I don't agree. Since Scott's tailing of she has definitely been at least the third best dancer left IMO. Why spoil her supporters enjoyment by bringing down this miasma of negativity.

By the way I'm supporting Kara for the win ( best dancer ) and also I was not impressed by Matt treatment at the hands of the judges. Turning that same bile on Pamela however is in my book just as bad.”

Why on earth amm I some sort of fishwife because I dont think pamal's legs are attractive and dont think she should have got them out ?

I am allowed an opion you know on whether I find someothing attractive or appropiate without being a fishwife , very judgemental of you.

to my certain knowlege I do not gut fish the litral meanig of fish wife nor do I stand and shreik and shout at people. I have said calmly and rationally I dont think her legs are attractive and I dont think she should have got them out
Starpuss
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Why on earth amm I some sort of fishwife because I dont think pamal's legs are attractive and dont think she should have got them out ?

I am allowed an opion you know on whether I find someothing attractive or appropiate without being a fishwife , very judgemental of you.

to my certain knowlege I do not gut fish the litral meanig of fish wife nor do I stand and shreik and shout at people. I have said calmly and rationally I dont think her legs are attractive and I dont think she should have got them out”

Indeed. Women should definately not show any part of their body unless it is perfect. I regularly wear a bag on my head when I am going out so as not to offend people with my less than perfect features.
indigomoon
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by shefair:
“Why on earth amm I some sort of fishwife because I dont think pamal's legs are attractive and dont think she should have got them out ?

I am allowed an opion you know on whether I find someothing attractive or appropiate without being a fishwife , very judgemental of you.

to my certain knowlege I do not gut fish the litral meanig of fish wife nor do I stand and shreik and shout at people. I have said calmly and rationally I dont think her legs are attractive and I dont think she should have got them out”

LOL and your not being judgemental I suppose

Your're allowed your opinion and I'm allowed not to like it.

I don't think you needed to comment on her legs but if all you said was that iyo they were unattractive that's not as bad as some. Body fascism however is not an attractive look either and more importantly contributes to many peoples misery and negatively to their health
indigomoon
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“Indeed. Women should definately not show any part of their body unless it is perfect. I regularly wear a bag on my head when I am going out so as not to offend people with my less than perfect features.”

LOL the perfect reply
diva_moon
12-12-2010
Hey, I'm 51 and I love Pamela! Aside from the obvious remains of backward and reactionary elements in society, I would strongly suspect petty jealousy amongst those who don't like her, young or old, male or female. She's terrific and that's that! As much as Billy was my favourite comedian in the 70's and 80's, I have rated Pamela a top talent since "Not the Nine'o'clock News" and obviously she still is.

Good on her! She's a great feminist Icon and power to her and a big fat boo to anyone who doesn't like it.
BuddyBontheNet
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“Indeed. Women should definately not show any part of their body unless it is perfect. I regularly wear a bag on my head when I am going out so as not to offend people with my less than perfect features.”

Just off to post this on the Post of the Day thread!
Starpuss
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Just off to post this on the Post of the Day thread! ”



I might just be tempted to take my bag off mind...then where will we be?
BuddyBontheNet
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“

I might just be tempted to take my bag off mind...then where will we be?”

Don't ask me because I'll still be wearing my bag and I won't be able to tell!
Starpuss
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Don't ask me because I'll still be wearing my bag and I won't be able to tell! ”




Very wise of you
brendan's girl
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Starpuss:
“Indeed. Women should definately not show any part of their body unless it is perfect. I regularly wear a bag on my head when I am going out so as not to offend people with my less than perfect features.”



Post of the day! Perfect reply

After all, no one is perfect!

Down with womens lib, eh I thought time had moved on - if people dont want to see Pamela baring her legs etc there are hundreds of other channels
StevieBlunder
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by PinkyPig:
“I am a woman in that age range, and I think she's great. I also think Kara is amazing. I would like to see either of them win ahead of Matt, but more so Pam, because she is has broken through the ageism barrier which has been an ever present on SCD”

Broke through the ageism barrier and being favourably marked because of her age. What good is that?
Dorabella14
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Noone:
“Hmm. I think it's simply because when I watch Strictly I don't see what the judges do. I see heavy steps, wobbles and a rictus grin (which never gets the criticism that Matt's constipated expression gets and it's just as bad imo).

I don't like her being over marked and shoved down my neck as 'representing' mature women - she in no way represents me - I find her very faux. - and, personally, I don't feel the need to be 'represented' by any random woman of a certain age. If she danced better I'd admire her more.

Simples.”

A. What the heck does "Simples" mean?? keep seeing this silly neologism everywhere, usually after daft comments.

B. I'm a bit older than Pamela, she dances better than I do, and she is very far from dull or boring.Many FMs are totally ignoring the excellent partnership she has struck up with the exacting James, who nicknamed her "Old Bird" not "Old Bag".

C. Her efforts have got him to the semifinals, which is a later stage than any other partner of his. So whether she does or whether she doesn't take him all the way, she has still done him proud.
Lola68
12-12-2010
We like and dislike people for many reasons, some of them fickle, some of them with good reason. For instance, irrelevant of my or Pamela's age, I'm not keen on her. I don't vote, but if I did, I wouldn't vote for her. I recognise she is a good dancer, a far better dancer than I could be with a million lessons, but I just don't warm to her. One of my fickle reasons is that I dislike her husband as a comedian and TV personality, which makes me less likely to warm to her.

In saying that though, it's just a mild emotion for both of them and I wouldn't lose any sleep over her winning. If she was ever to be a judge on future Strictly's, I would probably switch off.
Aeryn
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by cantos:
“Are women aged between 40 and 55.

Going by some of my friends it seems to be a reflection on their own inadequacies rather than Pamela's ability.”

I'm early forties and I absolutely love Pamela. I think she's brilliant and lovely personality. I hope that by the time I'm 61 yrs old, that I can do what she does now. She is an inspiration.
BeethovensPiano
12-12-2010
Im not a women or 50 lol it's the ridiculous over marking and over praising that some people are objecting to.
Tangerine_82
12-12-2010
The problem with Pamela is that whenever someone praises her, they bring up her age. Whenever some people criticise her, they bring up her age. It should be all about her dancing. Based on her dancing and nothing else, she's very good but she's also very careful. There's none of that dancing on the edge crap that Len is always pissing and moaning about. There's nothing truly exceptional about her dancing unless you take into account that she's 61 and in my opinion, that shouldn't matter or count. That is positive discrimination and it's unfair on the other contestants.
PinkyPig
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by StevieBlunder:
“Broke through the ageism barrier and being favourably marked because of her age. What good is that?”

How do you know that she's being favourably marked because of her age rather than the fact she is just the judges' favourite.

Looking back over the whole of SCD, how many older celebs have still been in at this stage?
Starpuss
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano:
“Im not a women or 50 lol it's the ridiculous over marking and over praising that some people are objecting to.”

I agree with this. Her marks have been just bizarre sometimes. Crazy stuff.

But none of that is her fault. So when someone says they don't like her dancing, the marks she gets for doing it or anythin in between I have no problem. (In fact I often agree).

Saying she acts inappropriately for her age, shouldn't show her legs off or, as in another post, was criticised for having long hair 'at her age' . I get a bit twitchy thinking the 1950's have called and want their attitudes back.
Aeryn
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“The problem with Pamela is that whenever someone praises her, they bring up her age. Whenever some people criticise her, they bring up her age It should be all about her dancing. Based on her dancing and nothing else, she's very good but she's also very careful. There's none of that dancing on the edge crap that Len is always pissing and moaning about. There's nothing truly exceptional about her dancing unless you take into account that she's 61 and in my opinion, that shouldn't matter or count. That is positive discrimination and it's unfair on the other contestants.”

That is hardly Pamela's fault is it. I think Pamela is probably sick to death to hear people commenting about her age, as I would be if I was in her shoes.
Tangerine_82
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“That is hardly Pamela's fault is it. I think Pamela is probably sick to death to hear people commenting about her age, as I would be if I was in her shoes.”

I didn't say it was Pamela's fault.
Abbasolutely 40
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Aeryn:
“That is hardly Pamela's fault is it. I think Pamela is probably sick to death to hear people commenting about her age, as I would be if I was in her shoes.”

She brings up the words "Granny " at every given opportunity .All by herself and with no prompting, so we can hardly be blamed for bringing it up .
jenda57
12-12-2010
She dances well but has been viewed by the judges through rose coloured specs. I am in my 50's and can admire what she is doing but she is not an inspiration to me, so many women have been, especially my mum. Women who do things or stand up and be counted despite the hand they have been dealt should be spoken of in these terms not a contestant in a dance show
soulmate61
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“The problem with Pamela is that whenever someone praises her, they bring up her age. Whenever some people criticise her, they bring up her age. It should be all about her dancing. Based on her dancing and nothing else, she's very good but she's also very careful. There's none of that dancing on the edge crap that Len is always pissing and moaning about. There's nothing truly exceptional about her dancing unless you take into account that she's 61 and in my opinion, that shouldn't matter or count. That is positive discrimination and it's unfair on the other contestants.”

I did not watch the swingathon carefully, others may care to comment. Presumably no concessions were made for the 61yo, and it was equally life-threatening for all.

Carrying her age and weight Pamela could not possibly be as supple and fast as her daughters, and nobody would expect her to be. Wisely Pamela did not try to compete in that department against Kara who is aged like her daughters. I believe if Kara had danced the quickstep the way Pamela did she would not have won four 10's, due to insufficient bounce and joie de vivre expected of a young person.

As for Pamela dressing like her daughters, I understand Ann is reading advice eagerly with a view to adopting same.
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