[lstar337]

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

...particularly when you consider that they've got costs of 38 million euros (£33.6 million), debts of 23 million euros (£20.3 million) and ongoing losses of 21 million euros (£16.8 million).

A horror show set of accounts like that would have had many other companies shut down or in administration at the very least.

Source = http://wikisend.com/download/403336/...ual Report.pdf

Yet, they are still supported by financial backers who no doubt know more than you.

[azimo]

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

...particularly when you consider that they've got costs of 38 million euros (£33.6 million), debts of 23 million euros (£20.3 million) and ongoing losses of 21 million euros (£16.8 million).

A horror show set of accounts like that would have had many other companies shut down or in administration at the very least.

Source = http://wikisend.com/download/403336/...ual Report.pdf

It won't be long before that happens, TUTV have had one foot in the grave for a long time.

[lstar337]

Originally Posted by azimo

It won't be long before that happens, TUTV have had one foot in the grave for a long time.

Seems like you have been saying the same thing for a while.

[bell boy]

Originally Posted by azimo

It won't be long before that happens, TUTV have had one foot in the grave for a long time.

Take it this is the keep saying it and it will happen approach???

[a516]

Originally Posted by bell boy

Take it this is the keep saying it and it will happen approach???

It eventually works - case study: Ray Cathode and Lottery Xtra on channel 45

[little fella]

I hope top up tv keeps going its given me the option of watching skysports 1&2 when i could not have got them from sky or cable,i really can't understand why some people on this site seem to be willing the downfall of top up, if you don't like or want this service why spend your life hopeing it fails?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

...particularly when you consider that they've got costs of 38 million euros (£33.6 million), debts of 23 million euros (£20.3 million) and ongoing losses of 21 million euros (£16.8 million).

Source = http://wikisend.com/download/403336/...ual Report.pdf

That's just a subsidiary so those figures don't mean much.

The holding company is based in Jersey and does not publish accounts.

https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/d...aspx?id=124015

[Nightdeamon]

tview offer NEWER movies than PB and for a "trial" period they can be easily accessed. if TUTV dont reduce their prices then it could hurt them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Nightdeamon

tview offer NEWER movies than PB and for a "trial" period they can be easily accessed. if TUTV dont reduce their prices then it could hurt them.

At £5 for one film on TView (The Expendables) v £5/£7 for 28 movies a month on Picturebox, this service as it stands is not going to trouble Top Up TV. It's an interesting concept but too early to judge its future prospects, though the future of movies must surely be on-demand.

[4yorks]

Maybe but there is alot of competition

[Nightdeamon]

your right, its too expensive but at least their new films rather than ones you can sometimes see for free on ITV but with ads. The future is ondemand. I predict that Sky Box Office may cease to exist in its curret form in a few years. Unless TUTV gets IPTV it will surely lose out to the euthoria surrounding online services such as iplayer etc.

[Charnham]

Originally Posted by a516

It eventually works - case study: Ray Cathode and Lottery Xtra on channel 45

that really was epic

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Nightdeamon

your right, its too expensive but at least their new films rather than ones you can sometimes see for free on ITV but with ads. The future is ondemand. I predict that Sky Box Office may cease to exist in its curret form in a few years. Unless TUTV gets IPTV it will surely lose out to the euthoria surrounding online services such as iplayer etc.

Interesting comments on Sky Box Office, I can certainly see envisage Sky opening up a movies download service on YouView to discourage Netflix and Blockbuster from doing something similar and to restrain Amazon-LoveFilm.

I think TopUp TV and TalkTalk are waiting until YouView's launch date is finalised so are just ticking over until then. However, if TopUp TV does go down this route it could look a bit more pricey than what would be very similar offerings from broadband providers who can bundle all their services together and subsidise the boxes.Alternatively, TopUp TV could resell their services to O2, EverythingEverywhere and Vodafone.

[Nightdeamon]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting comments on Sky Box Office, I can certainly see envisage Sky opening up a movies download service on YouView to discourage Netflix and Blockbuster from doing something similar and to restrain Amazon-LoveFilm.

I think TopUp TV and TalkTalk are waiting until YouView's launch date is finalised so are just ticking over until then. However, if TopUp TV does go down this route it could look a bit more pricey than what would be very similar offerings from broadband providers who can bundle all their services together and subsidise the boxes.Alternatively, TopUp TV could resell their services to O2, EverythingEverywhere and Vodafone.

They've already launched anytime+ and whilst not everyone has access to the internet, in a few years the video streams dedicated to SBO could be reduced allowing sky to use the space for Super Hi-Def or whatever contraption they've thought up, think about it sky are now beginning to heavily promote its Sky phone and broadband offering which is a current requirement for anyime+.

If TUTV did (and hopefully will) go online, filmflex could be an ideal partner to launch such a service seeming as they already run virgin's PPV service and Film4oD. PictureBox has also indicated on its website that they are looking to tighten relations with TV partners for PictureBox Player. With 2Mb's hopefully standard by 2015, would be more than enough stream content in SD, iPlayer in its current form can stream HD in 3.5Mb's.

[tvmad-alan]

Top up TV has been to messed up with getting sport to it's system, that it was late to come up with HD boxes that could keep customer happy with paying them monthly.

But if they came up with a deal with freesat box makers to give them a joint system with freeview HD & freesat HD and then get some TV channel owners on sat to be part of a paid system it could be a great system then.

See the TUT system has been over run by the looks of BBC iPlayer and Itv player that can give you replays of many shows with out cost.

BT Vision has given HD & players with freeview so has became a moto datetodate system then tTV up tv.

Top up needs to buy the two new muxes that UK will get after next years finishes the DSO, as this would give them space to give 12 + live channels to customers and would give more to freeview.

[Nightdeamon]

They need at least 1 of those two muxes, operate that at 64QAM and use MUX 2/A as a template and that could give around 10 ok looking video streams. At least then they could offer these through the cam for a DTV or a slotted box that you know works unlike the terrible TUTV Freeview+ hardware!

If they last that long until the auction then hopefull Len, if still involved will cough up as a last ditch attempt to save the ailing broadcaster! Im suprised theres no closer link with BT seeming as the live channels on the DTT platform are both their problem.

[noise747]

Originally Posted by Nightdeamon

your right, its too expensive but at least their new films rather than ones you can sometimes see for free on ITV but with ads. The future is ondemand. I predict that Sky Box Office may cease to exist in its curret form in a few years. Unless TUTV gets IPTV it will surely lose out to the euthoria surrounding online services such as iplayer etc.

The future is on demand, well it may be for some people. The problem is our broadband infrastructure is a bit hit and miss. Tview is not on Demand anyway.

I think it will be many years before on demand becomes the norm. BTVision have proved that many people are not interested and i wonder how many people that have Sky TV and Sky broadband uses Sky anytime+? Come to think of it i wonder how many even use anytime

[1andrew1]

According to last week's Sunday Times, at the foot of the article on Warner Music*, Channel 5 was cited as being interested in acquiring Top Up TV.

However, a spokesperson for Richard Desmond denied an interest.

* Top Up TV majority owner Access Industries has a stake in Warner Music and was reported by the paper as competing with the Gores brothers to buy all of Warner Music.

[linkinpark875]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

According to last week's Sunday Times, at the foot of the article on Warner Music*, Channel 5 was cited as being interested in acquiring Top Up TV.

However, a spokesperson for Richard Desmond denied an interest.

* Top Up TV majority owner Access Industries has a stake in Warner Music and was reported by the paper as competing with the Gores brothers to buy all of Warner Music.

Wonder what C5 would do with TUTV?

They would have plenty of linear slots for FTA or pay tv.

[1andrew1]

Firstly, we do have to remember that Richard Desmond has denied the approach.

Setting that aside, could we see the return of a linear pay-tv service on terrestial television? In the article (below) there is discussion on ITV and Channels and 4 & 5 seeking other revenue streams, although it focuses on the potential of transmission payments from Sky and Virgin Media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...-itv-channel-4

Could we see at least one channel each from ITV, Channel 4and Channel 5 going into a DTT pay-tv package alongside an extended GOLD? I suspect that it would only work if more linear channels were obtained, but more capacity will be available after analogue switch-off next year.

In addition, if Sky felt that some existing Freeview channels were becoming subscription-only on all platforms, this would reduce the attraction of Freesat and may encourage Sky to give up some of their Freeview slots too.

I could see such a service being combined with a YouView and on-demand service and potentially white-labelled for other companies from the likes of O2 and Orange through to Asda.

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

According to last week's Sunday Times, at the foot of the article on Warner Music*, Channel 5 was cited as being interested in acquiring Top Up TV.

However, a spokesperson for Richard Desmond denied an interest.

* Top Up TV majority owner Access Industries has a stake in Warner Music and was reported by the paper as competing with the Gores brothers to buy all of Warner Music.

Access has now done the deal to aquire Warner Music.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/access-buyi...135952046.html

[Nightdeamon]

Previously ITV has been interested in acquiring Top Up TV.

[kitchen whisk]

Surely, if there is a future for TUTV, then it must by through pay-for linear channels and their only reason for staying in business now is as the gatekeepers for Pay TV on DTT, which could become bigger business.

I can't see on demand TV over-internet being of any value to Top Up TV. What do TopUp have that they can offer to YouView or whatever other versions may emerge? They are not a content provider. They have no content to make available "on demand". The channels and programme makers will do this, won't they? Picturebox is already available in an on-demand online format, negating need to subscribe via TopUpTV. Much of the TV favourites content is available in one form or another online, to rent or purchase.

What product does this actually leave TopUpTV with, given that they are not a content maker?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That's just a subsidiary so those figures don't mean much.

The holding company is based in Jersey and does not publish accounts.

https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/d...aspx?id=124015

The accounts have been published for y/e 31.12.2010 and show that the company was profitable that year with a positive cash balance. This is attributed to a change in business model and cessation of PVR development.

see http://wikisend.com/download/423998/Top Up TV Holdings Limited YE 31-12-2010.tiff

[Everything Goes]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The accounts have been published for y/e 31.12.2010 and show that the company was profitable that year with a positive cash balance. This is attributed to a change in business model and cessation of PVR development.

see http://wikisend.com/download/423998/Top Up TV Holdings Limited YE 31-12-2010.tiff

Positive cash balance doesn't mean very much actually. Nokia has positive gross cash balance of €9.8 billion and its up shit creek

http://telecomlead.com/inner-page-de...553&block=News