[Ray Cathode]

Today's Premier League rights auction results couldn't be worse for TUTV. ESPN have got no matches from 2013 so can hardly justify keeping the Setanta slot open even from this year.

BT have won the minority package and surely will stop broadcasting on DTT as soon as possible in favour of ipTV.

I can't see a future for TUTV at all as soon as the three sports channels close.

[Rambler80]

Originally Posted by Ray Cathode

Today's Premier League rights auction results couldn't be worse for TUTV. ESPN have got no matches from 2013 so can hardly justify keeping the Setanta slot open even from this year.

BT have won the minority package and surely will stop broadcasting on DTT as soon as possible in favour of ipTV.

I can't see a future for TUTV at all as soon as the three sports channels close.

Well, I wondered how long it would be before someone made a statement like this and I've not been disappointed. Considering posters on this thread have stated in the past that BT could not afford to keep Channels 41 and 42 running this assertion has been blown out the water by the fact BT has just paid millions for Premier League rights.

ESPN have great portfolio of sport (far better than Eurosport which is also behind a pay wall) - another year of Prem League rights, Aviva Rugby, FA Cup, Bundasliga, Serie A, International matches.

Setanta going bust would be the end of TUTV, they said. They were wrong!

Too many unanswered questions about the forthcoming BT channel - lets see how it pans out.

[Shine On]

Looks like BT intend to launch their own dedicated sports channel to carry the Premier League matches. According to their press release, they also intend to distribute it on other TV platforms too.

Perhaps not such bad news for Top Up TV after all....

http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/S...9-DD5237069DD8

[Sobeit]

Originally Posted by Shine On

Looks like BT intend to launch their own dedicated sports channel to carry the Premier League matches. According to their press release, they also intend to distribute it on other TV platforms too.

Perhaps not such bad news for Top Up TV after all....

http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/S...9-DD5237069DD8

Other platforms doesn't necessarily mean DTT unless someone else will pay for it. Once they are ready to set up IPtv channels there is no reason for BT to pay for their channel, SS1 or SS2 to be put through the DTT transmitters. Whether TUTV can justify doing it I don't know.

Currently it is rumoured that most of the cost of the DTT transmissions of £10m per year are picked up by BT.

I hope it all staays on DTT as i get the channels through TUTV but TUTV may have to pit their prices up to pay for the DT space rental.

[Everything Goes]

Originally Posted by Shine On

Looks like BT intend to launch their own dedicated sports channel to carry the Premier League matches. According to their press release, they also intend to distribute it on other TV platforms too.

Perhaps not such bad news for Top Up TV after all....

http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/S...9-DD5237069DD8

I expect this will be part of YouView which will be up and running this year. BT are part of the YouView consortium. Gives them plenty of time to sort things out for August 2013.

We will launch a new football-focused channel to carry the games. It will offer new interactive features when supplied over BT’s fibre network and we will look to distribute it on other platforms. Full details and pricing will be published in due course.

I expect it will come to Sky. Im not so sure about DTT but you never know.

They will only cover 38 Matches per season so hardly lots of football but possibly good games!

[azimo]

Another nail in TUTVs Coffin, SS1/2 will go and ESPN will close there doors to

[Rambler80]

Nah, bird flu or US military intervention will see off TUTV because the trolls sure as hell can't.....

[stuntmaster]

Originally Posted by Rambler80

Nah, bird flu or US military intervention will see off TUTV because the trolls sure as hell can't.....

With the new laws on trolls coming in soon, I expect Azimo to find a nice tidy lawsuit against him from TUTV themselves.

why hasn't DS banned him/her already?

[acoolwelshbloke]

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

expect Azimo to find a nice tidy lawsuit against him from TUTV themselves.

In all fairness this is very unlikely as they do not appear to have any money to pay for any decent content let alone pay for a lawsuit!

[Rambler80]

Originally Posted by acoolwelshbloke

In all fairness this is very unlikely as they do not appear to have any money to pay for any decent content let alone pay for a lawsuit!

Sky Sports 1 & 2, ESPN isn't decent content?

[mikemold]

Originally Posted by Rambler80

Sky Sports 1 & 2, ESPN isn't decent content?

Not if you don't like sport

[Rambler80]

Originally Posted by mikemold

Not if you don't like sport

Well Sport appears to be the direction in which TUTV have been concentrating for the last few years. Although film and TV is still running.

Its status quo as far as I'm concerned.

[acoolwelshbloke]

Originally Posted by Rambler80

Well Sport appears to be the direction in which TUTV have been concentrating for the last few years. Although film and TV is still running.

Its status quo as far as I'm concerned.

Itv digital did the same, they also ended up in the toilet. Not everyone wants or likes sport sport and errrr sport.

[TelevisionUser]

Originally Posted by Rambler80

Well, I wondered how long it would be before someone made a statement like this and I've not been disappointed. Considering posters on this thread have stated in the past that BT could not afford to keep Channels 41 and 42 running this assertion has been blown out the water by the fact BT has just paid millions for Premier League rights.

ESPN have great portfolio of sport (far better than Eurosport which is also behind a pay wall) - another year of Prem League rights, Aviva Rugby, FA Cup, Bundasliga, Serie A, International matches.

Setanta going bust would be the end of TUTV, they said. They were wrong!

Too many unanswered questions about the forthcoming BT channel - lets see how it pans out.

That comes across as being in denial. A senior BT executive has already confirmed the intention to move to IPTV delivery for the sports content:

But at the Connected TV Summit in London last week Steve White, head of information systems and technology for IPTV at BT, said that the BT network was being upgraded to multicast to allow full IPTV. When asked why, White said: "It's too expensive renting DVB-T multiplex space to deliver Sky Sports to BT Vision customers, so we want to send it multicast."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05...twork_upgrade/

Furthermore, BT have formally confirmed that there will be linear channel streaming of UKTV channels via IPTV later on this very year:

London, 22 March 2012 – Britain’s leading branded multichannel broadcaster, UKTV, has defined its first ever IPTV deal. The three-year agreement with BT Vision covers both channel-branded VOD (video-on-demand) content which will be available from today, and the network’s award-winning portfolio of linear, paid-for television channels, beginning with Watch, Gold and Alibi later this year.
http://www.btplc.com/news/articles/s...-4abc99668100}

It is therefore almost certain that BT Vision's new sports channel will therefore be delivered to customers this same way too.

Originally Posted by stuntmaster

With the new laws on trolls coming in soon, I expect Azimo to find a nice tidy lawsuit against him from TUTV themselves.

why hasn't DS banned him/her already?

I don't expect TUTV to do this. Indeed, it would be very bad for them.

They have been the most secretive of the UK's pay-TV groups and high profile legal action like that would almost certainly get the attention of investigative journalists and stuff that they'd want to keep hidden will almost certainly come out in to the open. It would be far better for them to expend the effort into moving into lower cost IPTV delivery on Freeview/DTT and building up their rights portfolio.

If they did move to Freeview IPTV like some providers are already doing then I certainly wouldn't write them off.

[Rambler80]

Originally Posted by acoolwelshbloke

Itv digital did the same, they also ended up in the toilet. Not everyone wants or likes sport sport and errrr sport.

ITV Digital tried to rival Sky. As far as I am aware TUTV is not doing that, rather offering sport and film to those who don't want subscription based pay TV.

Television User That comes across as being in denial. A senior BT executive has already confirmed the intention to move to IPTV delivery for the sports content

Yes we know about IPTV. My point is people on this thread have been speculating about TUTV's demise for years and they have been consistently wrong. BT already offer an IPTV service but there are clearly a significant minority who, for whatever reason prefer TUTV. Regardless of what may or may not happen to CH41,42 this is a market worth tapping into. 20 years ago when CD's were launched people said vinyl would die. Vinyl still exists - it is a niche market that some businesses still tap into.

[TelevisionUser]

Originally Posted by Rambler80

ITV Digital tried to rival Sky. As far as I am aware TUTV is not doing that, rather offering sport and film to those who don't want subscription based pay TV.

Yes we know about IPTV. My point is people on this thread have been speculating about TUTV's demise for years and they have been consistently wrong. BT already offer an IPTV service but there are clearly a significant minority who, for whatever reason prefer TUTV. Regardless of what may or may not happen to CH41,42 this is a market worth tapping into. 20 years ago when CD's were launched people said vinyl would die. Vinyl still exists - it is a niche market that some businesses still tap into.

However, TUTV might themselves have to make that very same move to IPTV in order to survive and continue providing programming for the DTT platform just as other companies are now doing, e.g. Sportstalk Ltd's Sports Tonight service on Freeview channel 112.

[Rambler80]

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser

However, TUTV might themselves have to make that very same move to IPTV in order to survive and continue providing programming for the DTT platform just as other companies are now doing, e.g. Sportstalk Ltd's Sports Tonight service on Freeview channel 112.

I hope so. The Humax Youview box I have seen does not appear to have a card slot. I fear BT may offer a Youview CI+ box for sport but that they would expect the customer to take out a BT line and broadband with contract - essentially what BT Vision is now.

Ideal scenario would be one off payment for Youview CI+ box and then no contract requirement for sports.

[Ray Cathode]

Originally Posted by Rambler80

I hope so. The Humax Youview box I have seen does not appear to have a card slot. I fear BT may offer a Youview CI+ box for sport but that they would expect the customer to take out a BT line and broadband with contract - essentially what BT Vision is now.

Ideal scenario would be one off payment for Youview CI+ box and then no contract requirement for sports.

But TUTV would be out of the loop. BT would control any ipTV football channel it launched, almost certainly an internet channel that would not need a linear broadcast channel on a multiplex but via MHEG IC as a "connected" channel.

The same applies to Sky Sports now BT has fibre connections to sell. ESPN may keep going on TUTV for another year but that would be the end. TUTV will be redundant on DTT by 2013.

[Rambler80]

Originally Posted by Ray Cathode

But TUTV would be out of the loop. BT would control any ipTV football channel it launched, almost certainly an internet channel that would not need a linear broadcast channel on a multiplex but via MHEG IC as a "connected" channel.

The same applies to Sky Sports now BT has fibre connections to sell. ESPN may keep going on TUTV for another year but that would be the end. TUTV will be redundant on DTT by 2013.

This is what I would expect in terms of BT. Would be nice to see some flexibility in terms of platforms/subscriptions but only time will tell.

[TV Time Mike]

But will TUTV be able to find a niche that keeps them going.

The sports package seems to be keeping TV Fav. on the board but with no boxes for sale to pick it up it does seem like the whole thing is holding together with sticky tape and hope.

With such big changes in how people can get TV programs in the last two to three years TUTV needs to be able to find a 'stable' market and give the best service they can. There must be a lot of people out there who still want a plug and play system rather than all the kit and messing about of internet based or satalilite TV.

Because it's not as if you can hook up a cable to the phone line and then have IPTV (Or is it I'm really not that upto speed with so much stuff these days it isn't funny anymore)

[Rambler80]

Since IPTV has been in development for some time it is not inconceivable that TUTV have done some planning in this regard.

For example TUTV could well produce their own Youview boxes (they already produce hardware) and offer pay TV this way. The bonus being a customer could choose their own broadband provider (this is supposed to be one of the Youview selling points). Currently in order to get BT IPTV you have to take out broadband exclusively with them.

[Barnes5603]

Here's a thought.

With SS1 and 2 and ESPN expected to disappear off freeview, can't TUTV buy those slots and go back to the linear TUTV service it was in 2004?

[Ivor_Vaint]

TUTV hasn't got a hope in hell, I agree with Azimo

[daniel34]

Originally Posted by Barnes5603

Here's a thought.

With SS1 and 2 and ESPN expected to disappear off freeview, can't TUTV buy those slots and go back to the linear TUTV service it was in 2004?

Doubt it when channel 5 launched plus1 there slots where cut back even further, espn is allready on a slot TUTV control and lastly where would TUTV find the cash to buy bt's sky sports 1 and 2 slots they are hardly raking it in are they

[Barnes5603]

Originally Posted by daniel34

Doubt it when channel 5 launched plus1 there slots where cut back even further, espn is allready on a slot TUTV control and lastly where would TUTV find the cash to buy bt's sky sports 1 and 2 slots they are hardly raking it in are they

In that case I agree with the post above. They are knackered.