I am interested to hear your thoughts on whether Natalie has been a victim of her own exceptional talent? Last series she was partnered with Ricky Whittle and Len described them after only their first dance as 'being possibly Strictly's most formidable partnership.' They then went on to lose to Chris and Ola who were not as talented but enjoyed more of journey that included negatives and positives. Has the same happened this year with Scott and does the cliche 'it's a marathon not a sprint' now apply to the voting public? Does the public now prefer to see couples endure adversity and then come out successful? If so, how and when did this sentiment change?
Over the last two series,has Natalie paid for racing out of the blocks two quickly'?
No, if anything I think she's paid the price for being paired with two soap stars with tough schedules that ate into their training time and energy reserves.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“No, if anything I think she's paid the price for being paired with two soap stars with tough schedules that ate into their training time and energy reserves.”
“No, if anything I think she's paid the price for being paired with two soap stars with tough schedules that ate into their training time and energy reserves.”
^^^ This.
Busy soap stars is a bit of a mixed blessing - loads of potential votes but not a lot of time.
Although the producers usually balance it out by having soap stars who have previous dance experience, which makes sense.
Not sure the OP's proposition quite works though, as it assumes that Scott was as good as Ricky. Or at least good enough to win this series, and I'm not sure we've seen evidence of that really.
Although the producers usually balance it out by having soap stars who have previous dance experience, which makes sense.
Not sure the OP's proposition quite works though, as it assumes that Scott was as good as Ricky. Or at least good enough to win this series, and I'm not sure we've seen evidence of that really.
I liked Scott and felt very sorry for him tonight , but he was the first celeb that seemed to step backwards at times ,a shame for him as I thought he had great potential .But something sapped the life out of him in the end ,
I understand what you say, sometimes people don't like it when people are good straight away (as was the case with her and Ricky). However I got the impression she didn't win last year because people liked Chris more than Ricky so that contest seemed to be very much a case of popularity over dance technique. Nat did everything she could 'dancewise' to get Ricky to the final and,despite her best efforts of producing wonderful choreography, they still didn't win.
I agree with the time schedule argument as well. Lets just hope next year if she returns that she'll be paired with someone either fully or partically out of work, or, retired completely, or, someone still working but with incredible stamina, lol.
I agree with the time schedule argument as well. Lets just hope next year if she returns that she'll be paired with someone either fully or partically out of work, or, retired completely, or, someone still working but with incredible stamina, lol.
Ricky is a much better dancer than Scott although I did really like Scott especially when he was on top form.
Ricky was very good most weeks of the competition including the Semi & Final as well. More than anything I think he suffered from hardly ever being on ITT - people said he was dull but i don't think a lot of people really knew him in the same way that they got to know Chris.
Also whilst I do think many of the viewers like the J****** all 3 of this years finalists were good from the start so doesn't really hold water that the public don't take to those who are good from the get go.
Ricky was very good most weeks of the competition including the Semi & Final as well. More than anything I think he suffered from hardly ever being on ITT - people said he was dull but i don't think a lot of people really knew him in the same way that they got to know Chris.
Also whilst I do think many of the viewers like the J****** all 3 of this years finalists were good from the start so doesn't really hold water that the public don't take to those who are good from the get go.
Scott's dancing did suffer because of his schedule. However, that had nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't move his hips, which made most of his Latin either mediocre or poor. I think the 3 most versatile dancers have made it to the final.
Every single winner has scored at least one 30 in their first two dances, as has every single finalist since Series 3. If you don't start out of the blocks fast you can forget it.
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“Every single winner has scored at least one 30 in their first two dances, as has every single finalist since Series 3. If you don't start out of the blocks fast you can forget it.”
“Every single winner has scored at least one 30 in their first two dances, as has every single finalist since Series 3. If you don't start out of the blocks fast you can forget it.”
Plus she didnt wear as many Fierce Scarves this year, Im sure that had something to do with it!
Originally Posted by bloggingbelle:
“Scot just ran out of steam
Natalie was a trouper”
“Scot just ran out of steam
Natalie was a trouper”
Yea she was, its such a shame he couldn't sustain his earlier form, I wanted to see them do every dance.
Originally Posted by Strictly_Irish:
“Ricky was unlikeable and Scott's dancing became poor and overmarked.
That's it really.”
“Ricky was unlikeable and Scott's dancing became poor and overmarked.
That's it really.”
Yes, so unlikeable he got to the final!
*shudders* Total deja-vu from last year
Originally Posted by ormster:
“Yea she was, its such a shame he couldn't sustain his earlier form, I wanted to see them do every dance.”
“Yea she was, its such a shame he couldn't sustain his earlier form, I wanted to see them do every dance.”
Their Foxtrot would have been something fantastic.
I wish they'd done the same as Ann and told us what they were dancing next week
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Scott's dancing did suffer because of his schedule. However, that had nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't move his hips, which made most of his Latin either mediocre or poor. I think the 3 most versatile dancers have made it to the final.”
“Scott's dancing did suffer because of his schedule. However, that had nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't move his hips, which made most of his Latin either mediocre or poor. I think the 3 most versatile dancers have made it to the final.”
Would it surprise you to learn that both Scott and Matt so far have earned exactly the same points for their Latin as their Ballroom?
Plus only 1 point in each discipline separates them.
(That's why the Swingathon was used - to bring them neck and neck after Matt's poor Salsa)
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“Their Foxtrot would have been something fantastic.
I wish they'd done the same as Ann and told us what they were dancing next week
Would it surprise you to learn that both Scott and Matt so far have earned exactly the same points for their Latin as their Ballroom?
Plus only 1 point in each discipline separates them. ”
“Their Foxtrot would have been something fantastic.
I wish they'd done the same as Ann and told us what they were dancing next week
Would it surprise you to learn that both Scott and Matt so far have earned exactly the same points for their Latin as their Ballroom?
Plus only 1 point in each discipline separates them. ”
mm yeah, but given how insanely overmarked Scott has been in a few dances, I don't think you can use the marking as a way to compare them.
That goes for everyone this year. The judges have been rubbish and are making it all very confusing.
I think Scott is not consistently good unlike Kara and Matt or even Pamela.
Some weeks he's fantastic then he'll follow it with a really poor performance - especially the waltz where he totally lost his way was one mess.
The others have tried harder to be good every week.
Natalie is a great professional though and he's lucky to have her.
Some weeks he's fantastic then he'll follow it with a really poor performance - especially the waltz where he totally lost his way was one mess.
The others have tried harder to be good every week.
Natalie is a great professional though and he's lucky to have her.
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“I think Scott is not consistently good unlike Kara and Matt or even Pamela.
Some weeks he's fantastic then he'll follow it with a really poor performance - especially the waltz where he totally lost his way was one mess.
The others have tried harder to be good every week.
Natalie is a great professional though and he's lucky to have her.”
“I think Scott is not consistently good unlike Kara and Matt or even Pamela.
Some weeks he's fantastic then he'll follow it with a really poor performance - especially the waltz where he totally lost his way was one mess.
The others have tried harder to be good every week.
Natalie is a great professional though and he's lucky to have her.”
American Smooth perhaps?
Originally Posted by Mistress:
“mm yeah, but given how insanely overmarked Scott has been in a few dances, I don't think you can use the marking as a way to compare them.
That goes for everyone this year. The judges have been rubbish and are making it all very confusing.”
“mm yeah, but given how insanely overmarked Scott has been in a few dances, I don't think you can use the marking as a way to compare them.
That goes for everyone this year. The judges have been rubbish and are making it all very confusing.”
Then we get into the whole overmarking/undermarking thing again which you agree has been all over the place.
Matt has been overmarked too in some people's opinions as has Pamela but Scott's stands out because he was openly sleep walking whereas the rest have been a mark or two here and there and not as much 'in your face'
The marks are the marks and a point of reference which is fact whereas the rest is taste and opinion.
