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How (why) was Matt saved?
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j4Rose
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“He was definitely tied third on the judges leaderboard with Scott. We have no idea how the public voted.

And to those that :yawn: keep harping on about him being 'BBC's Golden Boy', it was the public that put him through to the final.”

Oh, I misread the post. It's late

I think Matt deserves to be in the final, even though he hasn't really impressed me. Scott's best dances were well behind him.
Strictly_Irish
12-12-2010
1. He got the votes. He's the only one of the 3 finalists that has proved they have a good amount of public support though I'm pretty certain Kara has a huge amount, she's amazing.

2. His Tango was just... wow
Ignazio
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by pabird:
“Lucky boy Matt with an awful salsa and nothing else of note in the semi he was rightly marked into the bottom two but saved by the public vote to go through to the final

Marked on semi performance only he should have gone but you have to think that his media coverage has built his public vote enough to drag him into the final

Scott outdanced Matt in the semi and can count himself hard done by to have a dip in form earlier”

He wasn't 'saved' - you seem to forget there was no dance off this year.
Espresso
12-12-2010
Originally Posted by pabird:
“Lucky boy Matt with an awful salsa and nothing else of note in the semi he was rightly marked into the bottom two but saved by the public vote to go through to the final

Marked on semi performance only he should have gone but you have to think that his media coverage has built his public vote enough to drag him into the final

Scott outdanced Matt in the semi and can count himself hard done by to have a dip in form earlier”

Were you making a cuppa when he did his tango, then?
It was streets ahead of his other dance.
tobykim
13-12-2010
Well whatever the why's and wherefore's I think Scott needed to go for his own good, he was really looking ill over the last few weeks, almost emaciated
Bonnie96
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Espresso:
“Were you making a cuppa when he did his tango, then?
It was streets ahead of his other dance.”

Yes, that's true but:

Matt 28 and 38 - 66
Scott 33 and 35 - 68

The Swingathon 'swung' it giving them 70 each.
Strictly_Irish
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“Yes, that's true but:

Matt 28 and 38 - 66
Scott 33 and 35 - 68

The Swingathon 'swung' it giving them 70 each.”

That's not counting for the fact that both of Scott's dances were overmarked by a few points each time and that Matt's Tango was undermarked.

I think the judges bias is a reason he's gone.
Espresso
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“Yes, that's true but:

Matt 28 and 38 - 66
Scott 33 and 35 - 68

The Swingathon 'swung' it giving them 70 each.”

Yup.
And the Swingathon was a complete and utter mess, designed to let the judges have just a little bit more say, before the public got a chance.
blackberry000
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by pabird:
“Lucky boy Matt with an awful salsa and nothing else of note in the semi he was rightly marked into the bottom two but saved by the public vote to go through to the final

Marked on semi performance only he should have gone but you have to think that his media coverage has built his public vote enough to drag him into the final

Scott outdanced Matt in the semi and can count himself hard done by to have a dip in form earlier”

Matt wasn't in the bottom 2. Him and Scott got equal marks in the end. Seems like neither the judges nor the public agree with you...

Am I the only one who LOVED Matt's Tango? I think it's one of the stand-out dances of this series.
Tangerine_82
13-12-2010
I think Scott's an inherently better dancer than Matt and has more ability to wow but in the semi's, even despite that salsa (), Matt was better than Scott. Scott just hasn't had that spark for weeks and to be honest, he was sleepwalking through this competition since his jive week. He was my second favourite and I'm sad he's gone but on this week's performance, it was probably the right call.
blackberry000
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“Yes, that's true but:

Matt 28 and 38 - 66
Scott 33 and 35 - 68

The Swingathon 'swung' it giving them 70 each.”

Yes, and we all know how much of judges' pet Matt and Aliona are...

Wait a minute, was it not Scott who got a 9 for stumbling through his AS?

Have nothing against Scott by the way, and he was one of my favourites until this week really. But not only did he struggle in some of the Latin dances, since the AS his dances have been mediocre, and I thought it was about time he was not given another chance.
RichmondBlue
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“In truth, the one who was saved was Pamela by virtue of the marks she received.”

That's right.
The judges favour and "saved" Pamela.
The public favour and "saved" Matt.
Next week, no judges marks will count..therefore, bye, bye Pamela.
SCDchick
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Personally, I'd like to have seen Scott and Matt both in the final.

Matt has been more reliable but Scott had wowed more frequently.

Never mind.”

I would have loved to see Scoot and Matt, i wished it had been scott and matt through to the final (as well as kara of course) cant stand the fact that pamela didnt drop out
SCDchick
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“That's right.
The judges favour and "saved" Pamela.
The public favour and "saved" Matt.
Next week, no judges marks will count..therefore, bye, bye Pamela.”

Hopefullyit will be bye bye pamela, please!
arddunol
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“In truth, the one who was saved was Pamela by virtue of the marks she received.

ETA - Snap ”

excellent post
arddunol
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by blackberry000:
“Matt wasn't in the bottom 2. Him and Scott got equal marks in the end. Seems like neither the judges nor the public agree with you...

Am I the only one who LOVED Matt's Tango? I think it's one of the stand-out dances of this series.”

I agree about the tango ; it was one of the best Tango routines I have seen on Strictly , minus the unnecessary lift .It had interesting moves which I haven't seen before and he danced it very well .
SCD-Observer
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Espresso:
“Yup.
And the Swingathon was a complete and utter mess, designed to let the judges have just a little bit more say, before the public got a chance.”

Nonsense. Much as I liked Scott's jive (don't get his VW AT ALL!), I didn't see him doing any dance worth the scores the judges kept bestowing on him. I think the public grew sick of it and went off him a little.

I don't understand the argument that Swingathon was the judges' way of having more say before the audience does. After all Matt and Scott score exactly the same in the end, so going by that logic, it was the PUBLIC and PUBLIC alone who rejected Scott over Matt.

Think about it. It's not rocket science.
joules22
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by dekaf:
“To me, Matt was better than both Scott and Gavin, therefore totally deserves to be in the final.”


Yeah, totally agree. I think the judges favoured Scott over Matt, especially Bruno and Alesha, who both seemed to have the hots for Scott!
CaroUK
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by dekaf:
“To me, Matt was better than both Scott and Gavin, therefore totally deserves to be in the final.”

^^^ This

Scott's dances were both dreadful this week and he deserved to go over Matt who had one bad dance and one very good one!

Just watch Scott again, whilst trying to ignore Natalie (doing her wonderful distracting from the partner's mistakes routine) and you will see just how much Matt deserved to be saved....
SCD-Observer
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“^^^ This

Scott's dances were both dreadful this week and he deserved to go over Matt who had one bad dance and one very good one!

Just watch Scott again, whilst trying to ignore Natalie (doing her wonderful distracting from the partner's mistakes routine) and you will see just how much Matt deserved to be saved....”

How dare you for trying to speak sense and logic? Tis not allowed here!
allgrownup
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by Dragonlady 25:
“But why was it so poor?

He seemed to do what he had been told so I don't feel the blame is entirely with him.

He out-danced Scott and Gavin. Simple as....”

I won't start bashing as it is too early and I haven't recovered from last night - cream or no cream.

But the choreo wasn't all that and he wasn't learnt the back basic properly for one (steps back too far for a Salsa).

I do think combining the two dances he was better than Scott because the Tango was great.
bloggingbelle
13-12-2010
Scot has not recovered from his cold/tiredness and seems mentally incapable of taking in new information at the moment hence Natalies antics trying to divert attention from him. Also there has been a public backlash against the overt favouritism the judges have shown. Shame because I quite like the guy personally.

The judging was a complete stitch up I am sure they colluded on their marks to engineer the tie. The backlash on the BBC boards about Fridays S/F cannot have gone unnoticed. Sourpuss Goodman must have choked on his words having to positive about Matt's tango.
SCD-Observer
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by bloggingbelle:
“The judging was a complete stitch up I am sure they colluded on their marks to engineer the tie. The backlash on the BBC boards about Fridays S/F cannot have gone unnoticed. Sourpuss Goodman must have choked on his words having to positive about Matt's tango.”

Pure speculation. How can you 'be sure'?

I recalled Len using the same starting comment to Kara's rhumba, by saying "you're not supposed to be that good!" in Matt's earlier dance, I think it was the Foxtrot.

It was clear that Scott lost steam in the swingathon (he's limp and flaccid since the AS fiasco), so he was the second to be called off before Pam (who was enabled by James with lifts etc.). Len was fair in marking Matt second to Kara, partly because Kara was better in the swingathon but partly because she could lean on Artem to lift her, not vice versa.

Matt's Tango was great (agree with Craig, the silly one leg lift was so out of tune to the dance, Aliona again!), so having overscored Pam (who danced a great QS, though not quite perfect 40!) and I felt a little overscored Kara for her Rhumba (which I like, but was let down by the sleazy music), in this context two tens for Matt's tango was not too far out.
bloggingbelle
13-12-2010
Santana sleazy?
SCD-Observer
13-12-2010
Originally Posted by bloggingbelle:
“Santana sleazy?”

Okay, I shall fess up. there was an attempt by my Uni lecturer to try to seduce me when I was called into his room for a chat, and he played Santana in the background before making his move! Maybe he didn't switch on his gaydar and picked the wrong guy. Or maybe it's my fault? I don't know.

That music always haunt me ever since!
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