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I was wondering how long it would be before the +1 issue reared its head. I think I'd prefer separate reporting if possible. I can't believe that a +1 channel is only going to rob viewers from the main showing. I guess we'll get confirmation one way or the other looking at ITV shows we've lots of data for, ie. soaps.
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Providing a +1 channel is a technique to boost ratings.
No different from boosting your ad budget or using any other method of increasing the audience. If a channel chooses to do this - it should be included in the total ratings of the show. They've spent the money, got the viewers and crucially those viewers have watched the same ads. If you are an advertiser you would be given the total figure, if you are a producer you would be given the total figure, if you are a cast member you would be given the total figure. I don't know of what use ratings without +1 are. It may be 'unfair' to those channels without it, but it's also 'unfair' that some channels have bigger programming budgets or higher epg slots. |
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I was wondering how long it would be before the +1 issue reared its head. I think I'd prefer separate reporting if possible. I can't believe that a +1 channel is only going to rob viewers from the main showing. I guess we'll get confirmation one way or the other looking at ITV shows we've lots of data for, ie. soaps.
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You are right there. But the point is, you wouldn't have watched those programmes otherwise. Not because you didn't want to, but you simply wouldn't have been able. You only watched because the +1 service was available, which I'm sure you're not alone in doing. So why should you be counted along with those that actively sought out the content on first run? It's basically the same as adding in the ratings for a repeat.
It's not about penalising the channels which offer a +1, they reap the benefits anyway through increased ad revenues etc and will no doubt interpret the data the way that suits them, it's about not penalising the channels which don't by fiddling the data in favour of those that do. |
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ITV is really strange come to think of it. When dubsj and others report ratings for us, it's without HD yet every other channel's ratings includes HD. Now the proposal is to put +1 as part of the whole package even though HD appears to be declared seperately?
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rzt - on the basis of these comments, please will you ensure that when you report EastEnders' ratings on this thread, you automatically include those who chose to timeshift by watching the 10pm repeat?
If not - isn't that a double standard? ![]() I haven't lumped them together before though because it's not convention to lump them together. And if I were to do it for EastEnders, I would have to do it for every other repeated programme which would be difficult because: a) not all the repeat ratings are reported, b) I wouldn't have the time. Whereas with +1 channels, there is no clear convention with how the figures are reported: some sources lump them together, some don't. The +1 ratings are reported 90% of the time though, easily available which makes it easier lumping it together. But if you do want to see the BBC3 repeat lumped together with the main showing (for a more accurate picture of how popular EastEnders is), the BBC's Live+7 ratings will sure do that. Also you have to bear in mind that the BBC's own data service which shows overnight ratings to its staff/executives/producers currently lumps C4+1's rating with C4 at the BBC's own request, so clearly they don't have an issue with +1 because if they did, they wouldn't be lumping them together. Most people don't have a BBC1 v ITV1 kind of attitude like you do Robbie... Quote:
Spot on. It puts the BBC at an immediate disadvantage because they don't have +1s and probably never will.
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Not necessarily I might have chosen to watch the BBC shows on Iplayer or on repeat or if there hadn't been the +1 opportunity I might have chose C4. The +1 option for me usually advantages the BBC for not having a +1 channel, as I will watch the BBC channel live and then go to the +1 channel, as I did with the last series of Misfits.
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I think it makes sense to report them separately, so as we have the information, but consider them together - if that makes sense? Whatever happens, making straight comparisons will be more difficult. Discounting ITV1+1 is clearly going to disadvantage it in comparisons with other channels. But including it will give it an advantage. As Fudd says "X beat Y" doesn't really matter. And we'll just have to accept that the overnights aren't entirely conclusive in comparing same slot ratings.
BBC1 21:00- Silent Witness: 6.1m (25%) ITV1 21:00- Above Suspicion: 5.7m (20%) , +1: 500k (2%) If I were to comment on that, I would say: "Silent Witness did brilliantly to beat Above Suspicion in the 9pm hour. In saying that, Above Suspicion had a very good total audience yesterday". I wouldn't say "Above Suspicion beat Silent Witness at 9pm" when comparing the two. In terms of working out official series averages, however, I would probably include the +1 figures because with the series averages you want to know how many people are watching a particular show on average per day/week and including +1 increases that accuracy (IMO). |
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Blimey, this debate has got pretty intense for this time of night. On a lighter note, some predictions for Tuesday:
Silent Witness (2/2) 5.7m Stargazing Live (2/3) 3.6m Above Suspicion (2/3) 5.3m David Walliams' Awfully Good 1.3m & +1: 0.4m ![]() CSI: New York (R) 1.3m Meet The Fockers 1.1m |
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Blimey, this debate has got pretty intense for this time of night. On a lighter note, some predictions for Tuesday:
Silent Witness (2/2) 5.7m Stargazing Live (2/3) 3.6m Above Suspicion (2/3) 5.3m David Walliams' Awfully Good 1.3m & +1: 0.4m ![]() CSI: New York (R) 1.3m Meet The Fockers 1.1m ) will people be predicting just for the ITV1 showing or ITV1+1 included or for example how you've done it for C4 above - both figures, but seperate.
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Talking of predictions, out of interest on the DSRPG ( do keep meaning to join in again
) will people be predicting just for the ITV1 showing or ITV1+1 included or for example how you've done it for C4 above - both figures, but seperate.And cool, hope to have you back with us soon!
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The BBC1 announcer gave the game away last night by introducing "a winter of Mon/Tue two parters, starting with Silent Witness" Yes, you can expect Boyd to start shouting at people again from February 14th, after another 4 new SW's and a repeat of one of last years...
I mentioned last week about South Riding, it is due on the 23rd. A preview screening is being held in Bradford in a week and a bit's time. Feb 13th is Bafta Film night so that needs to be clear at 9pm. Your Silk date is different from that the BBC have. They have it out on the 28th but i think that to be unlikely and it's not really Sunday night stuff. I'd suggest Mondays in the run up to Easter are more likely. as for Outcasts, Fridays, but I have a very bad feeling about this now, it just doesn't seem very cheery viewing. Certainly, a totally different kettle of fish from Kudos's other work. Usual caveats apply... That's going to be a very strong 10 Mondays/Tuesdays in a row for BBC1 with those two shows airing back to back. I do think though they should scrap the Silent Witness repeat and go straight to the next series of Waking the Dead because iirc SW doesn't repeat too well. If they really want to, they can always repeat it later in the year like the summer when ratings are low anyway. The DVD release date for Silk suggests a Feb/March airing and I thought with Mon & Tue already occupied, Sundays would be better than Fridays for Silk as more viewers are watching TV on Sundays. As for Outcasts, I'm looking forward to it but unfortunately I have to agree that it's not promising that the series has been delayed by months. [It was supposed to originally be airing in Autumn 2010]. There seems to have been some production problems with it and it might be too niche to get a large audience. |
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This got lost on the last page... thanks for the info.
That's going to be a very strong 10 Mondays/Tuesdays in a row for BBC1 with those two shows airing back to back. I do think though they should scrap the Silent Witness repeat and go straight to the next series of Waking the Dead because iirc SW doesn't repeat too well. If they really want to, they can always repeat it later in the year like the summer when ratings are low anyway. The DVD release date for Silk suggests a Feb/March airing and I thought with Mon & Tue already occupied, Sundays would be better than Fridays for Silk as more viewers are watching TV on Sundays. As for Outcasts, I'm looking forward to it but unfortunately I have to agree that it's not promising that the series has been delayed by months. [It was supposed to originally be airing in Autumn 2010]. There seems to have been some production problems with it and it might be too niche to get a large audience. The BBC have the Silk out on DVD on 28 February which is out of step with everyone else. On the other hand, Reece Noi has been adamant on Twitter that Silk begins at the end of January. Wed is still TBA.
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I'd have changed the Dancing on Ice schedule for the first weekend so its split into 3 shows, ie.
Saturday 18:30 - ITV News 18:45 - Dancing on Ice (1/3) - couples 1 to 8 20:00 - Primeval 21:00 - Take Me Out 22:15 - ITV News Sunday 18:30 - ITV News 18:45 - Dancing on Ice (2/3) - couples 9 to 16 20:00 - Wild at Heart 21:00 - Dancing on Ice (3/3) - Skate Off 21:30 - That Sunday Night Show 22:15 - ITV News Extra 15 minutes for shows 1 and 2 to allow for extra hand waving, if absolutely necessary (which it isn't). ![]() Plus that actually looks like a thought out, logical schedule. Something neither ITV or BBC can seemingly achieve at the moment. Oh, I've also (which I didn't realise) extend Adrian Chiles' show by 15 minutes. Sure he wouldn't mind... besides I think 30 minutes is too short for a talk show, cramming way too much in too little time. Quote:
What does Trevor Eve have against Doctor Who and Top Gear? He's even appeared on Top Gear so why is he moaning about it.
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I just noticed the article was written by our old friend PJ
![]() Sunday 'Casualty' grabs 6.2m Tuesday, January 4 2011, 17:18 GMT By Paul Millar, TV Reporter Soaps Casualty He does hold some posters here in high regard Quote:
rzt - on the basis of these comments, please will you ensure that when you report EastEnders' ratings on this thread, you automatically include those who chose to timeshift by watching the 10pm repeat?
If not - isn't that a double standard? ![]() Quote:
My last word on the subject before I do turn in - if I watched Above Suspicion at 9pm on ITV1 and then watched it again (for whatever reason) at 10pm on ITV1+1, is it right that I get counted twice in its overnight ratings?
At the moment, if I watch a repeat showing on another channel the same night I get counted in both channel's figures and we draw our own conclusions on whether people watched twice - but at least the integrity of the figures isn't compromised. Same if I watch live and then re-watch a recording - BARB would I believe only count me once. Lumping in +1 figures doesn't have this safeguard. They should be reported separately if at all possible. I have enjoyed reading the arguments for the +1 debate. It actually had some really good arguments that werent just based on bias or general digs against something/someone. However, I guess the addition of ITV+1 will just allow people to spin ratings even more for which ever side they bat for. Quote:
The thing to remember is broadcasters are actually not as obsessed as beating each other as some appear to be on the forum. ITV1 are not exactly creaming themselves over defeating BBC1 and vice versa. They just want to claim good ratings for their shows.
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FWIW, I think the +1s should be added when looking at programme ratings, but reported separately when looking at channel ratings (e.g. primetime shares). The official programme ratings should include +1s on the commercial channels but should be compared to the "live+7" stats (when they become available) for the BBC progs. In fact, ITV/C4 should also add in their VOD results and produce a similar "+7" stat - just for us!
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F&F 1.5m / 5.7% - without +1
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here's what I got...
Emmers - 7.67m EE - 10.68m Holby - 6.38m SW - 6.34m AS - 4.41m F&F - 1.5m DWAG - 1.33m HO - 1.24m nothin on Five got 1m viewers |
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here's what I got...
Emmers - 7.67m EE - 10.68m Holby - 6.38m SW - 6.34m AS - 4.41m F&F - 1.5m DWAG - 1.33m HO - 1.24m nothin on Five got 1m viewers Very good for Silent Witness to improve, but ouch at Above Suspicion. I suspect it'll be nearer 5m including HD, but that's still a poor figure, although I guess it doesn't help having a sub 3m lead-in - which I'm guessing happened. |
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Secret Med - 3.42m
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Interesting that both EE and SW increased from Monday. Holby benefited from that sandwich too.
Awful really for AS considering what it is capable of and I think it's pretty much certain Taggart will be sub 4m next week, probably nearer 3m considering it's the start of the new CSI series. Though the Emmerdale figure looks lower than it is. It will be around 8m inc HD then 8.5m tapechecked I would guess. Bad night for CH4 too-F&F failed to capitalise with no soaps in the 8pm slots and David Walliams flopped as expected. Hollyoaks also back down to the level it was at before Christmas. |
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Secret Med - 3.42m
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correction: How Do They Do It? got 1.02m
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How did AS do on the Tuesday night last year?
Honestly I think it may be down to the fact that it's just not very good. I watched last year and thought it was poor, the lead female is stunning, but truly one of the worst actresses I've seen on TV in some time, can't believe Ciaran Hind is still in it? I guess there isn't as much acting work around these days.
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Any ratings for stargazing?
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Any ratings for stargazing?
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How did AS do on the Tuesday night last year?
Honestly I think it may be down to the fact that it's just not very good. I watched last year and thought it was poor, the lead female is stunning, but truly one of the worst actresses I've seen on TV in some time, can't believe Ciaran Hind is still in it? I guess there isn't as much acting work around these days. ![]() 04/01 - 6.76m (27.7%) [Sun] --> vs Swarm (Nature Documentary) 05/01 - 7.34m (28.8%) [Mon] --> vs Traffic Cops 2009 04/01 - 6.74m (25.6%) [Mon] --> vs Hustle 05/01 - 6.52m (24.1%) [Tue] --> vs Traffic Cops 06/01 - 6.85m (25.2%) [Wed] --> vs New Tricks (R) The opposition this year is larger, in the past 2 years its only faced one drama which is actually new. |
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