Paul Millar - do you have the rating for yesterday's Ashes Highlights on ITV4 at 10pm?

Also seeing as you mentioned ITV1+1, how will you report those ratings? Will you mention the +1 ratings in addition to the main ITV1SD/HD rating or combine them or not mention +1 at all? Thanks in advance

In some cases yes, but I also believe +1s bring in new viewers that wouldn't otherwise watch. And in a commercial landscape where only two of the big three have a +1, it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever in the interest of fair analysis to compare channels with +1s to a channel without a +1. Unless we add FIVER's share to C5 since that is essentially a +24 and must be decreasing the original broadcast?

All I ask is for is a level playing field. If all of the big three had a +1, then I would not object. But until such a time, it is questionable practice to automatically bundle the +1s in.

Strange night in some respects. EastEnders and Upstairs Downstairs did well on BBC1, but poor for Celebrity Mastermind and Casualty. BBC2 did well though until 9pm.

ITV1's ratings are bizarre. They're tape-checked, so in my view they're low. Considering ~28m were watching TV, the ratings are low in my view as are the shares.

I think Sky Sports 1 must have took a chunk of the audience away from terrestrial, but for some reason DS haven't reported it. Because some of the terrestrial shares are low. SS1 must have beaten Five in primetime, presumably DS have chosen to ignore a sports rating again... quelle surprise.

I think it's fairer to include the +1. I almost always watch Come Dine With Me at 6 because I know I have the option and i'm cooking/eating at 5pm. I'd Sky+ it otherwise.

DS don't automatically bundle the +1 ratings in though. They mention the +1 rating separately, and for the primetime shares say C4: 5.0% (+1: 0.7%) so it's clear what the share was for the main C4 channel and what the share was for the +1 channel. I don't see the problem with that at all.

What are you talking about? DH4 was successful because it's a decent, popular action film, not a Steven Segal flop.

Most Annoying People has been running annually for a fair few years now, and is popular with its' target audience, so why would they stop it?

Five schedule was abysmal, so no one watched, it's as simple as that.

828k (3.3%) - and it entirely depends on whether Attentional separates or combines the figures - if it combines them, it would probably make sense to combine Channel 4's with +1 too to be consistent.

TV was so boring last night could not find anything to watch so put some films on which I had on the PVR.

Thanks. That's a very good rating for The Ashes Highlights, not surprising though considering how well England are doing at the moment! I reckon tomorrow's highlights programme could reach the million mark if England wrap it up tomorrow.

Monday Night Football - 1.52m (5.6%) (7pm-10.30pm)
(I would imagine Sky Sports 1 finished ahead of Channel 4 in primetime)

Thanks. I imagine it had a peak of ~2.5m/3m, which would have dented terrestrial.

Ahead of BBC Two - so third in the 9pm timeslot - Sky Sports made the right decision buying the rights back

I disagree. Under the VOSDAL rule overnights now include people who record a programme and watch it by 2am on the same day. +1 channels are just the same as this, as surely they are just another form of same day timeshifting, meaning that they should be included in the overnights. They do indeed take away audiences from the main screening as for instance, when Strictly Come Dancing and The X Factor clashed last year, had ITV1+1 been around viewers who would have watched The X Factor may have opted for Strictly instead as they could catch The X Factor on +1, meaning that the audience for the main screening would be affected. It really is just another form of timeshifting, and ITV and C4 will certainly include them as they will be running exactly the same ads on +1 meaning that +1 will be included, and rightly so.

Paul Millar - if you have time, could you please post the ratings for yesterday's afternoon movies: The Incredibles (BBC1), March of the Penguins & Happy Feet (ITV1). Cheers.

I suspect Incredibles might've won 2:1?

Poor of the BBC to show a virtual repeat of Countryfile on Box Day. It was just old segments pasted together. Next week is just the same - highlights jammed together.

Paul seems to be suggesting that could change depending on whether Attentional combine or not, which would be a mistake in my view. But anyway, I don't have too much problem with the above, but it is not correct for them to put C5 behind C4 when the former had a 5.1% share and the latter a 5.0% share, just because the latter had another 0.5% on +1. Sometimes they get the order correct, sometimes they don't.


I was stating my opinions. Just like people do on a forum. An unfortunate but all too common byproduct of that is some jumped up idiot has taken issue with what I've said and wants to start an argument over it.

As for your Steven Seagal dig, C5 have been the home of many decent popular action films over the years and premieres as well. Indeed, C5's top 20 most watched programmes of all-time includes several:

# Programme Date Time Audience
1 Euro 2000 Qualifier: England v Poland Wed 8 September 1999 1900 5,630,000
2 World Cup Qualifier: Albania v England Wed 28 March 2001 1900 5,590,000
3 Independence Day Tue 7 September 1999 2100 5,410,000
4 The Rock Tue 8 February 2000 2100 5,050,000
5 Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines Sun 14 November 2004 2100 4,950,000
6 Miracle on 34th Street Sun 7 December 2003 1755 4,850,000
7 UEFA Cup 2002/3: Celtic v Liverpool Thu 13 March 2003 1945 4,610,000
8 CSI: Crime Scene Investigation Tue 17 March 2009 2100 4,550,000
9 Joey Sun 13 February 2005 2035 4,530,000
10 Euro 2000 Qualifier: Luxemburg v England Wed 14 October 1998 1900 4,380,000
11 Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Sun 24 July 2005 1810 4,320,000
12 Erin Brockovich Mon 10 March 2003 2100 4,260,000
13 Gladiator Sun 19 October 2003 2100 4,260,000
14 FlashForward Mon 5 October 2009 2100 4,250,000
15 CSI: Miami Tue 30 June 2009 2100 4,220,000
16 The Mentalist Thu 26 March 2009 2100 4,210,000
17 Terminator 2 Sun 27 July 2003 2100 4,160,000
18 The Da Vinci Code Sun 10 May 2009 2000 4,090,000
19 Ransom Mon 10 April 2000 2100 4,040,000
20 Armageddon (Part 2) Tue 19 March 2002 2200 4,010,000

The Incredible - 3.47m (20.3%)
March of the Penguins - 2.2m (14%)
Happy Feet - 3.69m (17.4%)

yeah but last night was Arsenal beating Chelsea. How often can they guarantee that on a Monday night!

PS Paul any figures for Daybreak from 7-8.30am yesterday am. Thanks!

We'll be forced to if Attentional decide to combine them - if not - we'll probably keep them separate.

It's a procedure that I'm instructed to do - but at the same time, I completely agree with Score's earlier post.

488,000 (14.7%)

Thanks very much. Must be the lowest ever I suppose it beats the kids shows by about 300k though.

OK, its Christmas... but still. How did the other side do?

A belated Merry Christmas to you, ftv!

Bloody awful rating and share, holidays or not.

The Fluffy Club got 48k (2.9%)
Lorraine had 922k (14.8%)
Breakfast had 585k (29.5%)

I'm guessing it beat five though
five will probably re-run Daybreak in about 30 years time as part of Desmonds cost cutting