aat least she willl know LS regretted firing her(if she was watching tonight that is)
Liz-not much consolation but...
Had Sugar kept her, it would only have delayed Liz's exit by a week though.
LS just wasn't connecting with her as a person, so her days would have been numbered at the interview stage anyway.
LS just wasn't connecting with her as a person, so her days would have been numbered at the interview stage anyway.
A lot of us thought that the decision last week was made in the full knowledge that Stuart was embellishing and that his firing would be more interesting this week...as indeed it was.
Think Sugar is being a bit disengenuous here...they've built up Stuart and his fibs up to be a big thing over three episodes just to get greater effect from tonights sacking and Liz was one of the unfortunate side effects of this plan.
Think Sugar is being a bit disengenuous here...they've built up Stuart and his fibs up to be a big thing over three episodes just to get greater effect from tonights sacking and Liz was one of the unfortunate side effects of this plan.
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“I suspect she will have the last laugh anyway and probably go down the Kate Walsh route”
“I suspect she will have the last laugh anyway and probably go down the Kate Walsh route”
Presenting a show about celebrities on Channel Five does not really constitute having the last laugh in my book. I hope Liz goes on to do something more useful with her life.
Originally Posted by eggshell:
“A lot of us thought that the decision last week was made in the full knowledge that Stuart was embellishing and that his firing would be more interesting this week...as indeed it was.
Think Sugar is being a bit disengenuous here...they've built up Stuart and his fibs up to be a big thing over three episodes just to get greater effect from tonights sacking and Liz was one of the unfortunate side effects of this plan.”
“A lot of us thought that the decision last week was made in the full knowledge that Stuart was embellishing and that his firing would be more interesting this week...as indeed it was.
Think Sugar is being a bit disengenuous here...they've built up Stuart and his fibs up to be a big thing over three episodes just to get greater effect from tonights sacking and Liz was one of the unfortunate side effects of this plan.”
Its either that or he looked at the edit of what he had done and realised that he looked a complete sap. Not spotting the blindingly obvious is one thing - but he has particular problems with people who take him in and even more problems with those who second guess him and spin him a Sugaresque line. You would imagine at some point someone took him aside and explained to him unless he realised itself himself minutes later.. ......
Either way it looked like he just needed a small excuse this week to fire Baggs. The firing didn't fit with the interviewers discussion, which was bizarely favourable, or the indivdual interviews shown, or the sin shown - which was less than Lee had committed with his CV. It looked set up to do what needed doing from weeks before.
Not sure of the impact Sugar being Baggsed made on Liz's final chances. She's smarter than Stella and better at presentation, sales and basic business sense, but Stella has a Yasmina change story plus a selfmade woman one like Michelle's. Chris seems to be there for no good reason at all apart from being the sort of chap Nick likes. It may be down to the job - and, if that needs someone who would look OK in Nick's club, it will be Chris.
Not having Liz there, makes it easier for LS to pick either Chris or Stella as LS deems fit. He would find it difficult to argue that Stella was better than Liz at much, or to argue that Chris could do better than Liz in a Simon type job requiring better educational , personal or presentational skills. He can now argue Stella is too corporate and cold or Chris is too inexperienced and unconvincing , or that either of them are very dull presenters, and take whoever he wants.
I think a Liz vs Stella final would have been good although Chris vs Stella makes it a battle of the sexes. It's man vs woman, oh yeah! 
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“I suspect she will have the last laugh anyway and probably go down the Kate Walsh route”
“I suspect she will have the last laugh anyway and probably go down the Kate Walsh route”
And that's a good thing? Presenting an utterly dire programme on an utterly dire channel?
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“I suspect she will have the last laugh anyway and probably go down the Kate Walsh route”
“I suspect she will have the last laugh anyway and probably go down the Kate Walsh route”
He could give her a job as compensation for wrongly evicting her!!!!
Originally Posted by ea91:
“Presenting a show about celebrities on Channel Five does not really constitute having the last laugh in my book. I hope Liz goes on to do something more useful with her life.”
“Presenting a show about celebrities on Channel Five does not really constitute having the last laugh in my book. I hope Liz goes on to do something more useful with her life.”
Kate is interviewing the same people as Ross, Winkleman and Norton do, but on a daily basis. She's also getting to do some of the exciting things that Blue Peter presenters get to do while piling up more live TV presentting experience than most people. I would think thats infinitely more interesting than any job any Apprentice has got. I can't see that the alternative of flogging the screen in my Doctors' waiting room that's never switched on, or the advertising screens in railway stations, adds much to the sum of human progress.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Not sure of the impact Sugar being Baggsed made on Liz's final chances. She's smarter than Stella and better at presentation, sales and basic business sense, but Stella has a Yasmina change story plus a selfmade woman one like Michelle's.”
“Not sure of the impact Sugar being Baggsed made on Liz's final chances. She's smarter than Stella and better at presentation, sales and basic business sense, but Stella has a Yasmina change story plus a selfmade woman one like Michelle's.”
Totally disagree that Liz is smarter than Stella, and to make out Stella is in the final because of her background is frankly ridiculous.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Kate is interviewing the same people as Ross, Winkleman and Norton do, but on a daily basis. She's also getting to do some of the exciting things that Blue Peter presenters get to do while piling up more live TV presentting experience than most people. I would think thats infinitely more interesting than any job any Apprentice has got. I can't see that the alternative of flogging the screen in my Doctors' waiting room that's never switched on, or the advertising screens in railway stations, adds much to the sum of human progress.”
“Kate is interviewing the same people as Ross, Winkleman and Norton do, but on a daily basis. She's also getting to do some of the exciting things that Blue Peter presenters get to do while piling up more live TV presentting experience than most people. I would think thats infinitely more interesting than any job any Apprentice has got. I can't see that the alternative of flogging the screen in my Doctors' waiting room that's never switched on, or the advertising screens in railway stations, adds much to the sum of human progress.”
Her Channel five show is utter excrement, unbelieveably inane. So inane that the intellectual vacuum that is Ian Wright was a presenter on it at one stage. And as for your "human progress" remark, I fail to see how this show advances it either.
Originally Posted by eggshell:
“A lot of us thought that the decision last week was made in the full knowledge that Stuart was embellishing and that his firing would be more interesting this week...as indeed it was.”
“A lot of us thought that the decision last week was made in the full knowledge that Stuart was embellishing and that his firing would be more interesting this week...as indeed it was.”
Except that his claims of the previous task never got debunked, that we saw. He said all his parents gave him was £10 which he turned into enough for his £3m company, on his own. So far as we know, that's still all true. Instead of going into that, they picked up on some wording in his CV which was much less significant than Lee's lying.
Quote:
“Think Sugar is being a bit disengenuous here...they've built up Stuart and his fibs up to be a big thing over three episodes just to get greater effect from tonights sacking and Liz was one of the unfortunate side effects of this plan.”
“Think Sugar is being a bit disengenuous here...they've built up Stuart and his fibs up to be a big thing over three episodes just to get greater effect from tonights sacking and Liz was one of the unfortunate side effects of this plan.”
No, I prefer to believe in cock-up over conspiracy. We saw a similar thing happen with Miriam and Paul in the first series. There's a kind of candidate that Lord Sugar falls for, and then realises his mistake at interview.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“Except that his claims of the previous task never got debunked, that we saw. He said all his parents gave him was £10 which he turned into enough for his £3m company, on his own. So far as we know, that's still all true. Instead of going into that, they picked up on some wording in his CV which was much less significant than Lee's lying.
No, I prefer to believe in cock-up over conspiracy. We saw a similar thing happen with Miriam and Paul in the first series. There's a kind of candidate that Lord Sugar falls for, and then realises his mistake at interview.”
“Except that his claims of the previous task never got debunked, that we saw. He said all his parents gave him was £10 which he turned into enough for his £3m company, on his own. So far as we know, that's still all true. Instead of going into that, they picked up on some wording in his CV which was much less significant than Lee's lying.
No, I prefer to believe in cock-up over conspiracy. We saw a similar thing happen with Miriam and Paul in the first series. There's a kind of candidate that Lord Sugar falls for, and then realises his mistake at interview.”
I actually think Liz/Stuart was a lot more contrived than Miriam and Paul. I genuinely think back then, he genuinely realised his error in firing Miriam.
This time, it really stank of sacrificing Liz for a more TV friendly interview episode. Plus nothing beats a shock exit for publicity. I actually didn't rate Liz that highly - certainly higher than Stuart, but below Joanna and Stella. She would have gone this week regardless, so in the bigger picture, it made very little difference.
