DS Forums

 
 

Reflections on the interviews...


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 16-12-2010, 03:19
Tercet2
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 921
Spot on, when it comes to business some people do not live in the real world!
In the real world no decent interviewer, nor those on the program, would behave like that. It is for the purposes of your 'entertainment'. Interview like that and you firstly won't find the best candidate. Secondly you run foul of both the employment laws and the slander ones too. They avoid this by means of the contract the candidates have to sign, which waives all rights.

Sugar's cut throat business world?? You have any idea of what he does? Apart from property it's selling to the corporate and govt and related customers. Viglen got a massive contract in the dying days of the last Labour govt. To which party Sugar was one of their biggest donors. The Coalition govt froze IT contracts. Sugar's 'cut throat' response was to whine and try and use twitter and Facebook about buying British. Not once mentioning the biggest Viglen contract in history. £6 billion of tax payers' money, early March 2010.

http://www.viglen.co.uk/viglen/about...?ID=2391&GUID=
Tercet2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 16-12-2010, 05:19
Tourista
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Dagenham Essex UK
Posts: 9,714
Agree with Tercet above, as in any real job interview, you wouldnt bother with the silly "grilling" that the candidates recieve, as any good interviewer would just decide that the person wasnt suitable and wind the interview up.

No "real" interviewer would waste their time in trying to humiliate a candidate for a job.

Reality TV vs reality......
Tourista is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 06:13
mrbouffant
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 131
Claude's job is just to be the "pantomime villain" of the interviews. In real life he isn't like that - witness the genial smile on his face when he left the boardroom and acknowledged the candidates. The Rottweiller bit is just for TV and anyone who thinks it is anything else is being naiive.
mrbouffant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 07:13
AlexCap
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 16

He is instructed to be 'bad cop' for the purposes of the show. In real life, you know in the first 5 or 10 mins whether the person is any good or not. You'd wrap the whole thing up as quickly as possible and move onto to the next one. My take on last night. http://j.mp/gZpyoQ
AlexCap is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 09:05
Harrowing.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrow, Middlesex, UK
Posts: 2,426
He is instructed to be 'bad cop' for the purposes of the show. In real life, you know in the first 5 or 10 mins whether the person is any good or not. You'd wrap the whole thing up as quickly as possible and move onto to the next one. My take on last night. http://j.mp/gZpyoQ
Unless it's a technical role, you need a 1 hour exam for that

RE your blog, I think Jo's problem was she felt compelled to point out (to interviewers) how shit she was
Harrowing. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 09:27
sergio2006
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,393
What was strange though I thought was that in the interviews claude was the biggest p**** there, and Bordan came across as quite friendly.

Then in the boardroom it was the other way around, Claude generally had nice things to say whereas Bordan was constantly negative.

Just thought that was interesting how they both changed.
sergio2006 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 09:57
The_abbott
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ronnie's bed
Posts: 20,566
Stella breezed through no problems. I loved the reacts of teh otrhers as she sat their calmy whilst they were shitting themselves and finding it tough. I think Stella has nothing to worry about on her CV and is confident in her ability which is why it was easier for her.

I still think Chris will win as LS likes him and that he looks at things with a diiferent angle.
The_abbott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 10:07
Harrowing.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrow, Middlesex, UK
Posts: 2,426
What surprised me more than anything was how Jamie, impressive throughout, failed miserably at Interview !
Harrowing. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 10:11
Harrowing.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrow, Middlesex, UK
Posts: 2,426
Some points.

Secondly, the whole thing with Jamie having a blame culture is interesting. Not really with his parents and education but with the business saying he feels he does all of the work and his partner wants 50%. He did not come across well at during this part of the interview, nor in the boardroom when he had the chance to defend himself as well. The point on adapting to somwhere else when the going was good and re-investing was also a good one.
.
I do agree with Jamie that how pushy (or, put another way, just interested) your parents are makes a big difference - witness the parents that push their kids into extra tutorials for 11+ etc, and comparte with parents who don't give a ****! (Whilst my parents were never "pushy", they made it very clear the importance of a good education).

But whether to mention is interesting - he was trying to use it as a point of "look what I've done, despite..." and felt sorry for him that it backfired.
Harrowing. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 10:17
trollface
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 12,694
Well if he is the director/owner of the business and the turnover is 3 million then he is effectively worth that amount if the business were to be sold.
That's not true. 3m turnover means nothing. It's the profit that matters.
trollface is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 10:25
Harrowing.
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Harrow, Middlesex, UK
Posts: 2,426
That's not true. 3m turnover means nothing. It's the profit that matters.
Eaxctly, the company I work for turns over 15m, but profits have been just a a few 100k of late! Damnabit....
Harrowing. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 11:27
Wouter
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1,907
That's not true. 3m turnover means nothing. It's the profit that matters.
Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity.
Wouter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 11:44
boksbox
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 4,486
Spot on, when it comes to business some people do not live in the real world!
There's nothing real world about The Apprentice, it's an entertainment show which is a vehicle for advertising Sugar's various businesses.
boksbox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 12:23
New poster
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1
As far as I'm concerned the low point of the interviews was Clive ignoring Stuart's outstretched hand and ordering him to "sit down" without even looking at him. The epitome of arrogance and rudeness.
New poster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 12:47
ESPIONdansant
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Somewhere in the UK
Posts: 6,493
It's 'entertainment'.
Ritual humiliation has always found a ready audience so, if you don't like it, don't watch it but bear in mind that millions will.
The whole 'Apprentice-experience' is tosh. If it were an effective way of recruiting then all companies would work this way. None of them does, as we know.
It's TV!
ESPIONdansant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 13:13
The Rhydler
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,221
do you not get the point of this round? It's all about penetrating the bullshit that is put forward on their CV's - it's about seeing how they can stand up to interrogation. If they can't survive Claude's interviewing techniques, how on earth are they going to survive in Sugar's cut throat corporate world? Why on earth are they going to get an easy ride when they talk the talk? Oh yes Stuart, here you go, you say you are good, the job is your's. Does that happen in the real world? No and I don't see how they are talked to like shit. Claude is the best interviewer and without him tonight, the programme would have been boring. Well done Claude, even better than last year when you rode through the 'village idiot's CV when all he stated was techno stuff in other words, geek language.
Its not THAT cut-throat mate. You dont go around belittling and insulting people in the work place! That's not how it is, despite how the BBC want to portray it. If so, Sugar would have allowed Debra Barr to disrespect Nick Hewer - no probs!

Claude sees it as a yearly chance to do his hard-man act on telly and you can't blame him.
The Rhydler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 13:14
The Rhydler
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,221
It's 'entertainment'.
Ritual humiliation has always found a ready audience so, if you don't like it, don't watch it but bear in mind that millions will.
The whole 'Apprentice-experience' is tosh. If it were an effective way of recruiting then all companies would work this way. None of them does, as we know.
It's TV!
How about, if you dont like it, watch it and then complain about it.

I'm not switching off my fave show just cos a couple of arseholes want to make a pretty successful 21 year old look like a con-artist.
The Rhydler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 13:31
Jepson
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,089
I'm not switching off my fave show just cos a couple of arseholes want to make a pretty successful 21 year old look like a con-artist.
The guy was a pillock.

Far too much mouth and no where near enough trouser.

He might have made a good candidate if he'd had a few years to grow up but at the moment he's just a waste of space.
Jepson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 13:35
Miles_T
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Bracknell
Posts: 2,269
How about, if you dont like it, watch it and then complain about it.

I'm not switching off my fave show just cos a couple of arseholes want to make a pretty successful 21 year old look like a con-artist.
You know how it works, it's the same every year. Even the contestants know exactly what to expect.

Personally I think Baggs is a con artist and a bit of an arsehole. So I'm glad he got his commupence.
Miles_T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 13:55
The Rhydler
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,221
The guy was a pillock.

Far too much mouth and no where near enough trouser.

He might have made a good candidate if he'd had a few years to grow up but at the moment he's just a waste of space.
A pillock yes, a prat, a buffoon - all in the name of entertainment.

But that doesn't mean he deserved to be fired in that manner. He did not.
The Rhydler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 13:56
The Rhydler
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,221
You know how it works, it's the same every year. Even the contestants know exactly what to expect.

Personally I think Baggs is a con artist and a bit of an arsehole. So I'm glad he got his commupence.
What if you're wrong? And his comeuppance is unjustified? Will Sugar be karmically retributed?
The Rhydler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 14:00
milmol
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,524
It's 'entertainment'.
Ritual humiliation has always found a ready audience so, if you don't like it, don't watch it but bear in mind that millions will.
The whole 'Apprentice-experience' is tosh. If it were an effective way of recruiting then all companies would work this way. None of them does, as we know.
It's TV!
Thanks, saved me typing the same post I've put on several threads already today!

My other point was more general - that I would like it if the 'interviews episode' took a different format - either one interviewer at a time seeing all the candidates or following one candidate a time round the 4 interviewers. It felt a bit jaunty to me I think it'd be fun to follow them one by one through the day to see in what order their interviews go well/bad/how they recover or disintegrate etc
milmol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 16:48
ESPIONdansant
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Somewhere in the UK
Posts: 6,493
Rhydler, I thought you said it was your fave show. Why do you like it so much if you are offended by abuse, bad language and offence being caused? Honest question.

That's what happens every week!
ESPIONdansant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 16:51
The Rhydler
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 4,221
No it isn't. This is the only firing in the series which has wound me up because it wasnt honest or right. The only time I've ever really gotten angry before this was the firing of Raef in 2008.

Its my fave show but I have a hard time handling the Interview episode as it usually results in false information being fed to Sugar who then overreacts
The Rhydler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 16-12-2010, 16:59
ESPIONdansant
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Somewhere in the UK
Posts: 6,493
The firings aren't hostile weekly. Not what I meant. But the way they treat each other isn't pretty. All the swearing and moaning and back-biting.

It's not an edifying spectacle at any time. I find it entertaining but it doesn't often show people at their best.
ESPIONdansant is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 00:29.