Am I not allowed to express my support and admiration for Kara

Its all a bit of fun ! Sorry to have seemingly ruffled everyone's feathers!!

COME ON KARA THE DESERVING ONE X X

They all deserve to win. I like Kara, but I prefer Matt (that's my preference). If Kara wins, my Christmas won't be ruined. Like if Pamela wins it won't be either.

You still haven't explained about the sulking or if you are on about the walking past the camera after his Salsa. Didn't he have like 5 minutes to get changed for the Swingathon?

See 20.00, but yes that above too now you mention it:yawn:

I rest my case

Yes, you win A hollow victory though as I admitted it in my previous post and you still felt the need to reply despite having nothing to add. I think I'm not the only one who likes to have the last word

I'll be quite happy for any of the three of them to win. I'll vote for whoever I like best on the night.

There's something rather sad about those whose only means of supporting their favourite is to sneer at the opposition.

I have agreed with every post you have made on this thread Ignazio, well almost, I like Pam too!

Moscow Flyer, you do your girl a disservice. Every time I see threads and posts such as yours, it just gains Matt another vote on Saturday. Seems I now have to vote for him at least ten times.

I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't affect others in the same way.

I would have a great Christmas if Matt won! It would make my YEAR!

Alright, sarcasm. But I'd love for him to win. Or Kara. Either's fine.

Totally agree

He's got the joint record highest ever score for the samba, the joint highest ever male tango score (tied second highest ever overall), a 35 for his Viennese Waltz, when it was performed early in the competition (I'm sure it'll get at least 38 in the final), and a respectable score for the American Smooth (it's the same as Alesha got for hers for instance). I'm not seeing hard done-by personally.

All finalists suffer this though. It's always the same in show like this. It's the best shot either side has, sneering at the opposing teams. I avoid any of them if I see them come about, but I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 finalists have suffered such arguments for/against them for a while.

Claiming you're going to use the sneering to the advantage of one couple (usually the ones being sneered at) makes you no better than the others. The best thing to do is ignore it, and continue the way you were going to with your voting anyway.

Neither side should be sneering, especially not since it ends up creatung a really negative atmosphere. In the final week, surely it would be much better to enjoy the final, try and enjoy all the couples - even if you have a favourite! - and be as positive as possible.

Lets be honest, once the show finishes, we'll likely have a million "_______ was robbed!" wars going on anyway. No point in starting it in the one week that should be exciting!

At least, that's my view, but I just don't like confrontation.

So sorry TT. Forgot that one. She totally woz.

Betting prices for Kara are shortening again. Not yet back as favourite, but heading that way.

Bettors do not know whether they are coming or going.

[quote=Moscow Flyer;46608235]Absolutely Tyler, that was the point of my post.... She will need all of her fans to vote.

I would seriously be if she didn't win this! !

Not purely for financial reasons either, I hope she wins after some fabulous dancing this series.

VOTE KARA !![/QUOTE


It's not the end of the world & nobody will have died - it is just a dancing competitio

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Your attention is respectfully drawn to the dancing competition won by Salome, after which somebody died.

Obviously in comparison to others this series for the same dances, particularly Scott and Pamela!

I was also pointing out his stand out dances which will obviously be his higher scoring dances, but still generally I feel in comparison to other dancers he has been marked harshly when he hasn't "put a foot wrong" pun intended!
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Regarding those dances I guess it's all a matter of opinion, outside of Scott's American Smooth, which was transparently absurdly overmarked. Tango and Samba in particular I can't see Matt as being particularly done down compared to anybody else - he beat or equalled them all. He's got some very good scores indeed and never been outside of the top 3.

(Oddly enough, I'd say where he was hardest done by was in his quickstep. Len gave it a 7, gave no real explanation as to why, and then scored Peter Shilton (PETER SHILTON!) the same. Bizarreness).

when I say hard done by It's not just scores it's comments, it feels to me like the judges expected so much from him and were disappointed they didn't get it and don't really mark him on the same footing as everyone else! They for the last few weeks have had no constrcutive criticism to get a ten and have just commented on aspects of choreography they did or didn't like!

Anyway I guess we just disagree on this, but I'm saving my vote till the final but just my heart is with Matt, my head will decide on Saturday!

What right have you to imply that if someone dares to respond to you they 'always like to have the last word'? Invariably when someone mentions having the last word, it is the person who brings it up that is obsessed with having the same. This is a forum for discussion and expressing opinions, and you can't just stop someone from responding to you by implying that if they do, they are just after having the last word. Thankfully Tangerine_82 saw through your attempts at control and very eloquently called you out on it.



A beautiful and concise response to someone who needs to, how shall I say it, mature a little?


You proved nothing, except that you need to learn that people have a right to express their own opinions and it is not up to you to call time on when they should finish responding to any topics that interest them.

I think the judges have given him constructive criticism. For his salsa the judges picked up on Matt's poor basic technique, being out of time in the New York section, his lack of constant flow, his being too stiff, losing his balance in the spins, poor timing in his flicks, being out of sync with Aliona, there being "too much isolation" (I don't know what that means, it's a Craigism), and his gyrations in the floor-section being awkward.

That's much more constructive criticism than the less accomplished dancers get for when they do poor dances. Normally Craig just sneers "dance disaster" at them or calls them a stick-insect on acid.

Or compares them to a wooden floor or Ann Widdecombe

I'm not surprised that Matt got a large percentage of the vote last week. There was always going to be a backlash after the judges comments on Friday night. Plenty of people I know voted for Matt last week because of it. Various versions on a theme but basically they were unhappy about the treatment of Matt. One of my mates has never voted before but felt compelled to do so after that! I imagine an awful lot of other people felt the same way.

It's difficult to know though whether that vote will hold up this week. If the judges play nice then possibly not. I'm still confident Kara will win, just look at the swell of support she's had over the last few weeks (and if she doesn't win, it'll be the first year ever I've got it wrong)! However, I'm not as confident on her victory as I was a few days ago. Large punters usually have insider information of some kind, so IF a lot of money is being thrown on Matt, there may well be a reason we don't know about

From what I can see, the punter who "leaked" on betfair has a reasonably good reputation stored up from predicting X Factor results. They knew that Matt was top every week bar one (albeit they got the detail of who the other top scorer was wrong), they accurately described One Direction's voting pattern, and they seemed to make a lot of money from their "sources". I think that "leak" combined with the ridiculously hyped up stories about Kara's "flu" lead to a domino effect and it's cut her odds quite harshly when she was holding well onto the momentum she gained on Matt following the ridiculous panicked change in voting odds following his salsa, which was never going to last.

As you say, there's no reason why momentum can't suddenly change (the obvious example being Julian being top with the public in the semis, then bottom in the final), but I think Matt's always been a heavy favourite for a reason, and I can't see past him winning at the weekend.

Plus Matt has the best chance of getting the Gvain and Scott votes. Gavin must of been quite popular to last so long