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Sexism alive and kicking in the boardroom!
Couldn't believe that Sir Alan's male advisors accused Stella of being a glorified PA - they would never have said that to any of the male candidates. Also they would never have said to Nick 'even YOU could get a technology licence' but were quite happy to say it to Karen Brady.
Disapointed but unfortunately not surprised - go Stella! |
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But wasn't Nick part of Amstrad? So he will have some knowledge on technology.
I'm female and didn't think it was sexist in any way. Maybe I just don't look for these things or maybe you're being too sensitive? Apart from the "Glorified PA" remark, I thought she was given quite good feedback in the boardroom. |
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Couldn't believe that Sir Alan's male advisors accused Stella of being a glorified PA - they would never have said that to any of the male candidates. Also they would never have said to Nick 'even YOU could get a technology licence' but were quite happy to say it to Karen Brady.
Disapointed but unfortunately not surprised - go Stella! He simply meant that you could get one with no knowledge of telecoms whatsoever and I'm sure he'd have said it to Nick or even LS if he had been replying to them. I think the interviewer who asked Stella if she was just a glorified PA was looking for a good response (which he got - Go Stella!). When it was said in the boardroom it was inaccurate but I didn't really see it as sexist. It would be akin to calling someone who had risen to be an assistant curator at a big museum 'A glorified caretaker'. |
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I presumed the comment to Karen was because she did not know much about technology rather than she was female. Agree ref the PA bit though
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Apart from the "Glorified PA" remark, I thought she was given quite good feedback in the boardroom.
And I thought she acquitted herself very well.Actually, my favourite part of the boardroom last night was when Stella said something along the lines of "I can't believe I'm being criticised for doing my job well." One of the most lucid things I've ever heard said in the boardroom. |
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Actually, my favourite part of the boardroom last night was when Stella said something along the lines of "I can't believe I'm being criticised for doing my job well." One of the most lucid things I've ever heard said in the boardroom.
So much so that they didn't manage to find anything to show where she was embarrassed and someone even wondered if she'd been given an easy time. |
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Yes, Stella handled them very, very, well.
So much so that they didn't manage to find anything to show where she was embarrassed and someone even wondered if she'd been given an easy time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ss-59fi4nM
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Stella,
"I'm here to get the job, not to make friends" Pure Class |
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Yep, one bloke and one woman in the final. Totally sexist. ![]() |
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I think it was just some friendly banter
![]() it gets on my nerves the way some of you lot on here have to make an accusation of racism, sexism etc. at the drop of a hat!.. |
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Couldn't believe that Sir Alan's male advisors accused Stella of being a glorified PA - they would never have said that to any of the male candidates. Also they would never have said to Nick 'even YOU could get a technology licence' but were quite happy to say it to Karen Brady.
Disapointed but unfortunately not surprised - go Stella! |
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Couldn't believe that Sir Alan's male advisors accused Stella of being a glorified PA - they would never have said that to any of the male candidates. Also they would never have said to Nick 'even YOU could get a technology licence' but were quite happy to say it to Karen Brady.
Disapointed but unfortunately not surprised - go Stella! Stella joined the bank as a PA. He wouldnt have said it to the other candidates because they didnt have that background. Another way of putting it would of been to say, 'You're just a glorified administrator'. He was implying that she was organised, but didnt have anything else to offer. He didnt believe this. It was just a challenge, a question to get a reaction. In fact, he said how much he thought of her in the boardroom later on and recommended her as having a lot to offer. |
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Stella,
"I'm here to get the job, not to make friends" Pure Class ![]() I knew Stella would excel at the interviews because she is a truthful person, so therefore there was nothing to uncover on her CV that might cast her in a bad light. I rate her as an extremely professional person, calm capable and able to think on her feet and I want her to win. Chris can't help having the dullest monotone voice we've ever heard since Nigel Mansell, so I don't hold that against him but I don't really rate him as anything out of the ordinary at all. |
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They managed to get through the whole Interviews process without asking either of the mothers if they'd basically be happy to stick their kids in a drawer at Amstrad for a year, which is more than they managed in Series 3...
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I find it sexcist that you assume that all PA's are female
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They managed to get through the whole Interviews process without asking either of the mothers if they'd basically be happy to stick their kids in a drawer at Amstrad for a year, which is more than they managed in Series 3...
Katie was a single mother, I don't know about Stella, but she already has a high flying job - presumably the hours are already long so childcare is already covered by a partner or relative. Joanna has a partner (I assume the twins' dad) so again it isn't really an issue. |
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Yes, she hasn't indulged herself in any of the backstabbing that all the others even Chris, seem to enjoy.
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In fairness she completely hung Laura out to dry that weekwhen she messed up over the truffles, Laura wanted to go elsewhere where it would be cheaper but Stella was adamant that they should go to Knightsbridge which was jsut ridiculous but in the boardroom she just sat back and let it all get pinned on the innocent Laura (who really let herself down by not speaking out)
In a r/l situation anyone with any integrity would have admitted their part in the failure but that has never been the Apprentice way. |
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In fairness she completely hung Laura out to dry that weekwhen she messed up over the truffles, Laura wanted to go elsewhere where it would be cheaper but Stella was adamant that they should go to Knightsbridge which was jsut ridiculous but in the boardroom she just sat back and let it all get pinned on the innocent Laura (who really let herself down by not speaking out)
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Stella,
"I'm here to get the job, not to make friends" Pure Class |
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But wasn't Nick part of Amstrad? So he will have some knowledge on technology.
I'm female and didn't think it was sexist in any way. Maybe I just don't look for these things or maybe you're being too sensitive? Apart from the "Glorified PA" remark, I thought she was given quite good feedback in the boardroom. |
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I think it was pretty pathetic that her singing 'knees up mother brown' was supposed to change that opinion. How sad.
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I think it was pretty pathetic that her singing 'knees up mother brown' was supposed to change that opinion. How sad.
That's what impressed them all. It's easy to do that sort of thing if you're a naturally gregarious person but a lot harder if you are more reserved. It was the final piece in the jigsaw that allowed Stella to confirm that she is a naturally rounded candidate and prepared to tackle tasks that are outside her 'comfort zone'. Sugar and all his advisors agreed about that. |
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You're eiher related or have a monumental crush on her, although I'm not sure which...
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I still hope that Stella wins over Chris. She might actually breakdown some of the dinosaur machines that is a mainly male dominated one in the world of IT.
I've been involved in it myself and admittedly far from an expert, but still people are shocked that as a female, I pretty much know what's going on behind the hood of a PC or console and can take it apart, rebuild from scratch or troubleshoot most problems. No big deal in the world of software or hardware engineering, but it still takes the sails out of some peeps that a female could even be interested in stuff like this, far less actually solve problems. I also worked in an all male dominated IT sales team as the only female, and had to prove myself every week, not only on the leaderboard, but also to prove that I deserved respect by beating them in petty computer games, jokes, keeping my dignity and not allowing myself to fall down drunk in what were deliberate drunken binges night outs. Usually I'd be the one trying to sober them up when they turned up at work in the mornings in time for area manager meetings. Yep, a load of multitasking was involved......stuff that the males didn't have to think about at all. Even if they were down on the leaderboard, they were rarely noticed. But if I dropped down, I was instantly noticed, being the only female. So Stella is in for a tough time if she gets slotted into a mainly male dominated environment, but I actually believe that she's got the right attributes and an inner toughness to bear it out and do well. |
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And I thought she acquitted herself very well.