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IMO Kara Has Broken Her Scaphoid
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slappers r us
18-12-2010
She held her hand the same way I did when I broke mine

There are certain ways you can move your hand and lower arm but if you move it the wrong way its like a knife being stuck in you

I ended up having to have the scaphoid removed and having a ceramic implant


Well thats what injury I think she has, with a bit luck it will be just a very bad sprain

I would like to think its nothing bad as I have been entertained by her and enjoyed watching her dances this last few weeks
stu2308
18-12-2010
Scaphoid #'s are notoriously difficult to diagnose initially by xray

if it is that then she will be in plaster or splint for minimum of 2 weeks before determining if she needs surgery etc (usually)

I couldnt really see any obvious deformity but her hand was purpleish
CloudyE
18-12-2010
She looked in immense pain all through the second set of two dances, she was the best dancer and extremely strong to carry on in all honesty.
caitysox
18-12-2010
In the latest video on the BBC website it looks like Kara has a swollen knuckle so its probably very badly bruised.
Dorabella14
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“She held her hand the same way I did when I broke mine

There are certain ways you can move your hand and lower arm but if you move it the wrong way its like a knife being stuck in you

I ended up having to have the scaphoid removed and having a ceramic implant


Well thats what injury I think she has, with a bit luck it will be just a very bad sprain

I would like to think its nothing bad as I have been entertained by her and enjoyed watching her dances this last few weeks”

Daily Mail quotes backstage activity working with ice on a wrist damaged by her backflip.

Poor girl, without the flu and the stupid extra dance, she could have practised this move more and got more strength into her wrist and arms first. Damn th eBBC for being so thoughtless, and well done to Kara for dancing through the pain.
slappers r us
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by stu2308:
“Scaphoid #'s are notoriously difficult to diagnose initially by xray

if it is that then she will be in plaster or splint for minimum of 2 weeks before determining if she needs surgery etc (usually)

I couldnt really see any obvious deformity but her hand was purpleish”

You could see straight away on the xray that mine was broken it was in two halves

I was in plaster for 10 weeks and it didnt heal properly

Kara has age on her side and healing could be very quick
slappers r us
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by CloudyE:
“She looked in immense pain all through the second set of two dances, she was the best dancer and extremely strong to carry on in all honesty.”

she has my every sympathy
stargazer61
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“She held her hand the same way I did when I broke mine

There are certain ways you can move your hand and lower arm but if you move it the wrong way its like a knife being stuck in you

I ended up having to have the scaphoid removed and having a ceramic implant


Well thats what injury I think she has, with a bit luck it will be just a very bad sprain

I would like to think its nothing bad as I have been entertained by her and enjoyed watching her dances this last few weeks”

Scaphoid breaks are notoriously difficult to detect. Despite having X-rays, I had a broken scaphoid for 3 weeks before insisting on more X-rays. The result was a major op because the broken scaphoid had healed incorrectly and I needed a bone graft from my hip bone! Not good!
stu2308
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“You could see straight away on the xray that mine was broken it was in two halves

I was in plaster for 10 weeks and it didnt heal properly

Kara has age on her side and healing could be very quick”

Thats quite an extreme scaphoid #

most dont usually show for the first 2 weeks on xray but have to be treated as fractures as the scaphoid only has one blood supply and can lead to serious complications

she seems to be able to move her hand well though which is positive
slappers r us
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by stargazer61:
“Scaphoid breaks are notoriously difficult to detect. Despite having X-rays, I had a broken scaphoid for 3 weeks before insisting on more X-rays. The result was a major op because the broken scaphoid had healed incorrectly and I needed a bone graft from my hip bone! Not good!”

I had op to replace the bone in the summer

posting on the WHATM thread and fingers going blue was an adventure I had three different plasters on in as many weeks

we dont know if its going to be a totally ok for at least another 6 months
SCDchick
18-12-2010
I think its unfortunate that she injured herself, but im glad she got the glitterball. Shes been such a delight to watch.
stargazer61
18-12-2010
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“I had op to replace the bone in the summer

posting on the WHATM thread and fingers going blue was an adventure I had three different plasters on in as many weekswe dont know if its going to be a totally ok for at least another 6 months”

Apologies for laughing but I well remember your trials and tribulations during BB! It was quite dramatic at times!

Sorry to hear that the injury has not been completely resolved....good luck!
Dorabella14
18-12-2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphoid_bone

I had to bone up, sorry, on what a scaphoid is.

Poor Kara!
Ignazio
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“She held her hand the same way I did when I broke mine

There are certain ways you can move your hand and lower arm but if you move it the wrong way its like a knife being stuck in you

I ended up having to have the scaphoid removed and having a ceramic implant


Well thats what injury I think she has, with a bit luck it will be just a very bad sprain

I would like to think its nothing bad as I have been entertained by her and enjoyed watching her dances this last few weeks”

I too broke the scaphoid in my left hand - very painful.

Initially I thought I'd simply sprained my wrist and continued to drive etc. but ended up in plaster. Hope this is not the case for Kara - though I have no doubt that her injury hampered her final performance. Still as one one who thinks the result should reflect delivery on the night I must come down in favour of Matt.

No consideration is given to an Olympic athlete who makes a final but falls short due to injury: I apply similar criteria to SCD - it's all on the night: Kara, despite injury fought to deliver a performance worthy of the final - Matt, unhampered was better.
Darcyprincess
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I too broke the scaphoid in my left hand - very painful.

Initially I thought I'd simply sprained my wrist and continued to drive etc. but ended up in plaster. Hope this is not the case for Kara - though I have no doubt that her injury hampered her final performance. Still as one one who thinks the result should reflect delivery on the night I must come down in favour of Matt.

No consideration is given to an Olympic athlete who makes a final but falls short due to injury: I apply similar criteria to SCD - it's all on the night: Kara, despite injury fought to deliver a performance worthy of the final - Matt, unhampered was better.”

Sorry but I dont think that Matt was better, considering that he did not have a injury he still made mistakes and although I dont think that any of the 3 couples danced their best, I was more disappointed with Matt tonight then any of them. I think that Matt and Scott were the two best dancers early on but I think that Kara got better week on week and both Scott and Matt lost their shine and got worst rather than better!

For me, Kara was definitely the best and was still elegant in her last two dances even though she had that awful injury to her arm. You could see she was suffering and tried to keep that particular arm out of the way! I thought that Kara was very professional tonight and done a great job to still win!
drbolognaise
19-12-2010
Its very difficult to say what injury she has sustained.

If it was when she did her backflip I could understand you thinking it was the scaphoid as the mechanism of injury would make sense. Scaphoid #s are typically falling-on-an-outstretched-hand type of injury. However, I dont think the way she was holding it would indicate. I fractured both my radius and ulna and I remember holding my hand the same way.

The fact she couldnt straighten her arm out would suggest possibly an elbow injury of some sorts.

Either way, Im sure she will get the best medical attention and hope she has a speedy recovery.
Alli-F
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“I too broke the scaphoid in my left hand - very painful.

Initially I thought I'd simply sprained my wrist and continued to drive etc. but ended up in plaster. Hope this is not the case for Kara - though I have no doubt that her injury hampered her final performance. Still as one one who thinks the result should reflect delivery on the night I must come down in favour of Matt.

No consideration is given to an Olympic athlete who makes a final but falls short due to injury: I apply similar criteria to SCD - it's all on the night: Kara, despite injury fought to deliver a performance worthy of the final - Matt, unhampered was better.”


I don't agree hun, sorry. Matt just never got me to connect emotionally with his dancing. It was technically ok, sometimes very good but never brilliant. Kara, even when not at her best, moves me emotionally with her dancing, she makes me feel.

Matt always looks like he's trying, sometimes trying too hard, Kara looks like she steps on the floor and just moves with the music, it's effortless.

if I didn't know about her hand tonight, I would never have known from her dancing, for me it was magical.

But that's what's so fantastic about dance, we all see something different.
Ignazio
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“Sorry but I dont think that Matt was better, considering that he did not have a injury he still made mistakes and although I dont think that any of the 3 couples danced their best, I was more disappointed with Matt tonight then any of them. I think that Matt and Scott were the two best dancers early on but I think that Kara got better week on week and both Scott and Matt lost their shine and got worst rather than better!

For me, Kara was definitely the best and was still elegant in her last two dances even though she had that awful injury to her arm. You could see she was suffering and tried to keep that particular arm out of the way! I thought that Kara was very professional tonight and done a great job to still win!”

No probs with your opinion - and yes you could see that she was suffering; that is my whole point - her performance was hampered, and thereby affected, by her injury.

Whether or not one should take the injury into account when judging performance is a matter of personal opinion.
ellie4265
19-12-2010
I didn't notice any injuries/suffering to be honest. Congrats to all the finalists.
Ignazio
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“But that's what's so fantastic about dance, we all see something different. ”

We do indeed Alli - and far be it from me to rain on Kara's parade.

I don't watch soaps and I'm a bit of a cynic where soap stars are concerned - but judging on ability alone Kara shows immense talent. I simply wish both finalists were fit enough to deliver their very best without any ifs, maybes or if onlys.
mklass
19-12-2010
I was very aware of her injury when she was doing the waltz but when she came out and danced the american smooth she looked perfectly ok i thought!, she seemed to be able to extend her arm and hand ok, so much so i did wonder if she had had a pain killing injection, mind you!, i don't know if they work that quickly!......
Alli-F
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“We do indeed Alli - and far be it from me to rain on Kara;s parade.

I don't watch soaps and I'm a bit of a cynic where soap stars are concerned - but judging on ability alone Kara shows immense talent. I simply wish both finalists were fit enough to deliver their very best without any ifs, maybes or if onlys.”

I don't watch soaps either and your point about ifs and maybes goes for Matt too from my perspective. I will always wonder if he could have won with a different pro, that maybe he would have walked it with different choreography. The but for Matt was always Aliona, whereas for me, Kara had proved herself rather than just shown potential.
soulmate61
19-12-2010
Artem danced with a painful neck for Kara and she danced with a painful arm for Artem. This couple are too brave for their own good. In recent years there has been a serious outbreak of backflips not indigenous to dance. One mark should be deducted for each backflip to discourage the intrusion of circus moves into dance.

Get well soon Kara.

XX
SCD-Observer
19-12-2010
After reading this thread, it just makes me boil!

Artem! Why that silly showdance?!?!

Argh!
SCD-Observer
19-12-2010
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“Artem danced with a painful neck for Kara and she danced with a painful arm for Artem. This couple are too brave for their own good. In recent years there has been a serious outbreak of backflips not indigenous to dance. One mark should be deducted for each backflip to discourage the intrusion of circus moves into dance.

Get well soon Kara.

XX”

I don't mind Matt's backflips if that's what you are indirectly dissing.

He was a gymnast, why not flaunt it in the showdance. And Matt already said he watched Samba done by the native Brazilians and they do back flips too.

However, I do think Matt's problem was that he had Aliona as his pro partner. If it was Flavia, he might be lifting the giltterball tonight.
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