I admit I did want Matt to win, as I thought he was brilliant. I'm not disappointed Kara won because she was also brilliant. What isn't good, IMHO is the judging.

I really think they were totally biased and that Matt did not receive fair judging.

I agree. Craig said he only had good things to say about Matt and Aliona's samba, then still only gave a 9! If it's all good then surely that's a 10? Otherwise, what is the number 10 for?? But I think they've been down on him quite a lot throughout the series. If you're not a favourite, it doesn't matter how well you dance.

Through the whole of this series I thought that both Matt and Kara were on occasions robbed by the judges. Matt more so than Kara.

And some people seemed to be able to do no wrong in the judges' eyes, Pamela a prime example but also Scott (when he got two 9s despite completely fluffing the routine).

I don't like the way Len has a go at Kara. he always ends up criticsing her and she doesn't deserve it. Also the marks he gives her as well. The week they gave Pam four straight tens one week which was ridiculous. And Kara getting two tens and two nines. Pam looks good for her age but isn't that marvellous a dancer and I was so fed up with the way the camera was always going on Billy Connely everytime Pam came on.
I didn't care much for Felicity Kendall but she could dance circles round Pam. I got to the pitch that I thought it was going to end up like the X factor and being fixed for Pam to win ebcause it was looking that way with all the praise they lavished on Pam and the good marks she kept getting and very little cricism compared with Kara who Len and Craig would both have a go at.

Possibly the reason is the lack of actual dancing. It was more like a gymnastic display than a dance. IMO!

Also I think the GBP decided that Pamela had been praised too much and didn't vote for her!

Matt's Samba was brilliant IMHO, but my point is, that the judging was biased. I really think Pamela was over scored several times and so was Scott.

As soon as I saw Pamela getting good marks from the Judges I thought to myself "She'll be voted off then."

I agree. I think Matt is capable of brilliant dancing but for some reason they decided to go down the Cirque du Soleil route and, while impressive in its way, it lacked the flow and musicality you'd expect from a dance.

No she couldn't. Most people agree that Felicity was never going to make the final and aside from being 'bendy' she wasn't a natural dancer. I found her the most boring contestant this year, although I quite like her in The Good Life.

Which is why there showdance was a disappointment to me

Unfortunately, Moira Ross and the BBC will be more than happy with the judges. Their behaviour sustained the required "pantomime effect" throughout the series.

Trouble is though, the show will lose credibility if they don't do something. Craig is the only one I have time for.

The show lost all "credibility" from any dance perspective when Peter Fincham started messing with it all in an effort to improve the ratings.
The BBC don't care about the "credibility" of this show or any, it's about whether people will watch them or not.
Sadly with all it's faults more people have this year for whatever reason.
It's about getting people to watch programmes, not satisfying a particular audience.

Unfortunately if they continue to watch, "viewers get the quality of programmes they deserve."

If enough numbers watch any "rubbish" programme, the BBC will keep churning it out.

Me too! I also think the Dancers care about Craig's comments rather than the rest. Although Aleshais not unkind.

The judges' marking seems to have been influenced by knowing the GBP voting patterns? Really not sure if this is a good or bad thing TBH. The question has to be asked if Matt Baker had been just okay would he still have been in the final two as for me last night he and Aliona did not deserve it? That perhaps was down to the choreography? But then again are they judging on the night or the series?

I was appalled by some of the comments from the judges. Why did they disllike Matt so much. He would perform a routine, get a standing ovation from the studio audience and then get criticised to death by the judges while obvious mistakes from Pamela were totally ignored and even when Scott forgot half of his routine he got 9s!!! It makes the whole judging system farcical. I knew Pamela was out of the Final after I read a lot of readers' comments on the Daily Mail about her. She was so Americanised with her psyco nonsense, went on and on about her age and her "romantic feelings" for a very dis-interested James who called her Super Granny!!!! Hint, hint? If I heard any more about her PhD, her practice in America etc I would have gone mad. Sadly with the over-enthusiastic reaction of the judges each time she danced (it reminded me of Baby Spice on SCD, they did the same to her) it was the end of the road for Over the Top Pamela with the Great British Public!!!

I agree I thought all the Show Dancing was a bit of a disappointment. How can James and Pamela do the famous routine from Dirty Dancing without the magical lift? Matt did a gymnastic routine that was rather disappointing and all I can think of is that Kara went slightly mad thinking that Matt would do a very gymnastic type routine so tried to out-do him. I always remember Ramps and Karen's Show Dance and Tango......bliss

A sixty-one year old doing the Dirty Dancing number?

It's where Pamela "jumped the shark."

When the judges don't vote for your personal favourite, they are always biased. That's why we have threads saying that their voting proves they are biased in favour of and against every single contestant...because those who are truly biased in favour of their personal favourite get upset when the judges don't agree with them.

I thought they were a bit grumpy last night
it's not like the dancers are going to go away and improve for next week so I don't really understand the negativity

the final is the one show where I don't mind them blowing smoke up celebrity asses, even when they don't deserve it

No, but they were actually biased against Matt, whether he was my fav or not. They were rubbish actually, marking some dances that were poor over others that were good, all through the series.

No they weren't, Matt just wasn't as good as the others in their opinion (and mine as it happens) and, before you accuse me of bias, although I was supporting Kara going into the final I would freely accept that Pamela was rightly placed 1st by the judges in both dances to the point that I actually changed my voting intention in her favour.

Mmmm, this is true to a point, but aside from wanting Scott out because I don't like Natalie, I was pretty neutral as to the big 4 and Gavin. But I still thought there was a real bias towards Pamela and against Matt and Kara.

And in the early stages I felt Michelle got a pretty raw deal from them (but she was never my favourite).

I felt as though the judges were being a bit bitchy because Pamela was voted off.

When will judges on these reality shows actually realise that when they 'big up' someone who isn't actually perfect, the public refuse to vote as the judges want. Just as the voters keep in the irritant to the judges. It always happens, year after year, in all the reality shows.
It's about time judges used that knowledge instead of acting offended when they don't get results they like.

It happens every year, the judges always have a favourite or favourites, it's just this year it worked out in their favour with Kara where as in all the previous series it's backfired and most of their chosen favourites either didn't make it to the finals or if they did the GBP didn't vote them to win.

I should not be surprised by it anymore, but it still makes me angry when as judges they should be impartial and give constructive comments and not just criticise.