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Old 29-12-2010, 23:12
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Not sure if this has been said before, but it annoys me that nowadays there never seems to be a SET in stone release date for singles.

For downloads, they basically seem to release them any time they want. Thats why after the 1st single off of an album does well, the rest flop because there is so much confusion as people want an actual release.

This is why artists tend to release about 3 or 4 singles before an album. Bit sad really and incredibly annoying.
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Old 29-12-2010, 23:25
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In the past a song would only be available either on the album or the single so people would have to wait for it if they never had the album. Now, however, you can get any song from the album as soon as the album is released. It's quite sad, really. There's no loyalty any more.
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Old 30-12-2010, 13:04
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the FAC is working on this problem right now
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Old 30-12-2010, 13:07
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i think they miss the trick, by having tracks arplayed long before their release date i find that i get fed up with them by the time they are released! so they miss out on a sale! lol.

yes i think there is confusion and i do think it can detract from a tracks chart potential.
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Old 30-12-2010, 17:39
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the FAC is working on this problem right now
As in Factory Records?

Interesting...
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Old 30-12-2010, 17:43
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I think if you want songs to ber successful you shoud release them ASAP with no delay. I'm confident that Kesha's We R Who We R could have been a UK No.1 had it been released say, about 5 weeks ago. The January 17th release date is a joke, the UK is literally the last territory to get it.
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Old 30-12-2010, 19:48
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i think they miss the trick, by having tracks arplayed long before their release date i find that i get fed up with them by the time they are released! so they miss out on a sale! lol.yes i think there is confusion and i do think it can detract from a tracks chart potential.
This is definitely a problem. There are loads of singles that if released about a week or so after first radio play (and available as a cd, I dont buy downloads)I would have bought.
I wonder if the same will hapen with The Vaccines new single Post Break UP Sex? I absolutely LOVE it but fear I might be bored by it by the time it comes out.
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Old 30-12-2010, 20:13
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I don't think it's wrong that people can download tracks seperately from an album to be honest.

Telephone by Lady Gaga, for example, got released in April 2010, but it got into the charts for the first time in December 2009. It still got to #1, because it was genuinely a very popular song, but those people who were very eager to buy the track had the opportunity to do so anytime in the 3/4 months prior to its release, as the charts show.

Songs like The Club is Alive would never have gotten to #1 if they were released after the album.
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:11
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I think Brand New Albums should be available as "Albums Only" for the 1st 12 months.

And the singles released on the official release date.

(People say this would just lead to people downloading tracks from illegal sites)

Older albums should be available as individual tracks


Also, why do people download singles when you can just rip the tune from the video on youtube, vevo etc.
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:32
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I think Brand New Albums should be available as "Albums Only" for the 1st 12 months.

And the singles released on the official release date.

(People say this would just lead to people downloading tracks from illegal sites)

Older albums should be available as individual tracks
An atrocious idea that will lead to a decrease in sales/profits for the industry.

Also, why do people download singles when you can just rip the tune from the video on youtube, vevo etc.
Because some people have a moral conscience and want to purchase music so that studio technicians, writers, producers etc can get a decent paycheck at the end of the month.
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:52
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An atrocious idea that will lead to a decrease in sales/profits for the industry.



Because some people have a moral conscience and want to purchase music so that studio technicians, writers, producers etc can get a decent paycheck at the end of the month.
Pfffft
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:55
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:58
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I was basically saying "**** that", I still download my music for free
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:58
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The quality is never that good when you rip from youtube etc. It's always better to have the proper quality.
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Old 30-12-2010, 21:59
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I was basically saying "**** that", I still download my music for free
Not something that I'd brag about, but each to their own...
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Old 30-12-2010, 22:01
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The quality is never that good when you rip from youtube etc. It's always better to have the proper quality.
Which is why I use Piratebay
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Old 30-12-2010, 22:01
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Not something that I'd brag about, but each to their own...
Shoo! You're blinding me with that halo of yours
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Old 30-12-2010, 23:18
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i think they miss the trick, by having tracks arplayed long before their release date i find that i get fed up with them by the time they are released! so they miss out on a sale! lol.

yes i think there is confusion and i do think it can detract from a tracks chart potential.
Playing a song well before release is nothing too new though. This has been the case for a couple of decades. However, the availability from itunes and other download facilities, particularly of anything other than a first single off an album, is an issue. It doesn't detract from a single's sales in the first instance but it does affect from its chart position on official release and that is what record companies seem to be all about these days - not actual sales but chart position; perception as opposed to reality.

Which is why I use Piratebay
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Old 30-12-2010, 23:40
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Playing a song well before release is nothing too new though. This has been the case for a couple of decades. However, the availability from itunes and other download facilities, particularly of anything other than a first single off an album, is an issue. It doesn't detract from a single's sales in the first instance but it does affect from its chart position on official release and that is what record companies seem to be all about these days - not actual sales but chart position; perception as opposed to reality.
That is so true. Chart position seems to be everything nowadays, just because a single charted at number 20 for example, does not mean it will not generate great sales in the long run.

Your take on perception as opposed to reality is spot on.
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Old 31-12-2010, 00:25
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I don't think so, it may affect a chart position, but if anything should increase sales if it's available instantly without giving a radio listener a chance to forget the song and perhaps not buy it in the end.

Good songs will always sell, they may not make number 1, but that's not the point is it?
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Old 31-12-2010, 10:38
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Certainly downloads have made a difference.

You don't have to wait for a physical release any more, as long as the albums already out..........
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Old 31-12-2010, 11:27
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Certainly downloads have made a difference.

You don't have to wait for a physical release any more, as long as the albums already out..........
so my idea makes sense for all new albums to be only available to download as "albums only" for the first 12 months after release

Then singles from the album will be released to download on the official release date and will chart higher.
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Old 31-12-2010, 11:52
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I can't stand it when you hear a song on the tv & radio. Then when you want to buy it, there are no CDs in stock except songs by X Factor artists and Take That... Yes HMV, I'm talking to you! Not everyone wants to download everything, you know!
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Old 31-12-2010, 11:55
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so my idea makes sense for all new albums to be only available to download as "albums only" for the first 12 months after release

Then singles from the album will be released to download on the official release date and will chart higher.
No. Because chart statistics may be a nice-sounding figure, but they don't matter. Sales do.
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Old 31-12-2010, 12:33
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I think songs should be available as soon as they get a radio premiere. If a song premieres on a Wednesday, it should be on Itunes on the Sunday. I would definately buy more songs if that was the case.

Take Britney's new single as an example. It'll get premiered around the world on the same day and it'll be released on US Itunes a couple of days later. Whereas we'll have to wait 6-8 wekks to buy it. Surely it makes more sense to release it at the same time to cut down on illegal downloads?
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