Exactly. He has seen this development with his own eyes and therefore understands her transition really well, for me.

With her character development, yes, it has been really good. Yes, she's done bad things in the past and I wouldn't try and excuse her from some of those things, but she's also shown regret, remorse and a willingness to learn from her mistakes.

After the revelation of the affair she had so many things to reconcile with. The loss of her husband, her son, her home, her job. All this coupled with learning about what happened while she was in hospital after her miscarriage - as a woman myself I'm not sure quite how you CAN come to terms with that. It wouldn't have been true to her character to have her shrinking away - she came back fighting eventually after the initial sting of hurt.

Re: the Jez clip. Why is there a random funfair in the street, anyone know?

k9, the tennis has been great. The del Potro/Federer semi on Friday was brilliant and Murray winning today was just superb. :

Tennis was fantastic
And I was pleased for Del Potro after that long semi final in which he lost to Federer.

Well done to both Andy and to Laura, and everyone else giving us such good entertainment


Lee Boardman was brilliant as Jez. Put Lee Boardman in google and then click on the images I can see Oliver Reed in his face, too.

It was so good to see that Andy finally got over that mental hurdle of not winning on the biggest occasion, I was so pleased for him and he and Laura got a great silver in the doubles. A shame they couldn't consolidate their amazing start.

I was at the Olympic Park on Saturday, the atmosphere was brilliant.

I'm interested to see what happens this week that leads up to Friday's spat. I wonder if they will build up the tension between Leanne and Sunita with another round of insults...

Yes, whatever else happens or doesn't happen in his career, he will always be able to say I won a gold medal
And it was so good to see him naturally smiling and happy, at the gold medal event and the silver one with Laura.

Ooh lucky you!

I keep forgetting to watch Coronation Street at the moment

I live reasonably near Stratford and know the area well and it just felt like I was somewhere else entirely, it was a unique experience, definitely. Hopefully there will be a good legacy, because it is a vast area.

It can be hard to fit the soaps around the sport at the moment but I am managing! Don't forget about Friday, though, I have a feeling this battle is going to be entertaining.

Haven't popped in here for a couple of days Glad you're enjoying t'sport

Just checked Friday's spoilers..

Also, there's an uncomfortable stand off at the Bistro as Stella and Leanne clash with Karl and Sunita, but which pair will be asked to leave?

Considering Nick owns the place, I can only imagine Sunitart and Karl will be given the boot. If not, then

Hello, hello!

Given that it's even an issue in the spoilers, I think it'll be Leanne and Stella getting chucked out. Karl and Sunita getting the hook is what we'd expect. Nick doesn't like his customers being disturbed by brawling! So I'd put my money on that. That'd also probably cause more tension between Nick and Leanne, which is about where we last saw them after the upheaval at the station.

Ah, leading the way to Nick and Leanne's split?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...d-teasers.html

Rather disappointed the 'love square' is basically continuing, I was so hoping for some fresh new storylines but I had a feeling this would happen.. and a good idea of where it will end up..

I was thinking after I'd posted that it will end up being Stella and Leanne being told to leave! For the reasons you say - why put it in the spoilers like that. Bet Sunita will come out with some pseudo-bitchy line and think that she's got the upper hand


Literally just been reading that :sleep:

Is Nick and Leanne's reunion going to end in tears?

"Well, there's never really a happy ending in soap! There are definitely lots of twists and turns ahead in Nick and Leanne's story, but if I'm absolutely honest, I don't know where they're going to end up.

"There's a wedding at Christmas, but will it go ahead? I'm not sure whether it will or not! That will obviously coincide with Peter's return. I find the Peter, Carla, Nick and Leanne 'love square' really fascinating, and I love all four of those characters. So they'll feature in a big story for us over Christmas and into the New Year."

The love square has had more than enough exploring! Time to give it a rest now. He may love those four characters, but there's only so far they can go with the story.

As for the wedding coinciding with Peter coming back - :yawn::yawn::yawn: Anyone foresee Peter causing trouble and disrupting/ruining the wedding altogether? I sure as hell do :sleep:

Yep, that's what I predict. Boring as hell. Yes I'm biased as I love Carter (when they're good) but it's the Leanne/ Peter reunion that bothers me. Why can't Carla and Peter come back solid, or separate and not together. And why do Peter and Leanne have to have more bloody stuff between them. I'm sorry, they really shouldn't get back together. I found them boring (just me) and I want to see Leanne away from him because that when I think she is at her best (bar the last few months). And honestly, up until that stupid issue where Carla couldn't take anymore of Peter and left and then he 'dumped' her the next day, I saw NO chemistry, nothing that suggested Peter wanted Leanne back. I think it's such a stupid way to go argh!

A Leanne/Peter reunion (bias aside) could only realistically work if it was built up slowly and from scratch. Peter would need to examine his behaviour towards Leanne during the Simon saga and take partial responsibility for how nasty and out of control it got. He'd need to genuinely regret what he said/how he acted and would have to dramatically change his behaviour towards her eg. Not get into petty, point scoring slanging matches.Leanne would also have to stop listening to outside influences so much re Peter/Simon (ie. Stella!!) and the pair of them would have to work together, civilly, in order to maintain any kind of stable environment for Simon. Once a stable, civil relationship was forged, then romantic feelings could be built again gradually (although I know you're against 'Petanne' MAC )

However, I don't think the writers will give it half as much depth and will probably have Leanne/Peter conveniently forget all the nastiness that went on between them in a "love conquers all" scenario :sleep: Nick will be left hurting over the fact he's lost Leanne for a third time and Carla will be left feeling humiliated and, quite possibly, used. Cue much more resentment, bitterness, rivalry for months to come....

That being said, I do miss the old Peter and Leanne and when he made that plea to her (genuine or not) I felt a tiny bit of hope that they could reunite one day. Not too sure if I'd bee 100% confident in them if it happened though. I'd never trust Peter again, or Leanne to some extent.

I ammm against them (big time) but taking a step back, I agree. But I could only see it happen, as you say, slowly and over a long time, and the romantic side of it coming in later on, not suddenly.

To be honest, if Peter has any feelings towards Leanne I hope Carla can find the strength to just move on and leave him, she's become so insecure recently and needs to look after herself. Ergh
why the hell do they have to resume this utter tripe. AHHHHHHH

Sometimes I think that maybe we all go into some stories/characters way too deeply, whereas soap writers are just looking at creating the next storyline! I don't think they bank on people remembering certain conversations between characters or remembering scenes that happened way back. They're more about writing for the moment and seeing what'll be a quick hit on-screen.
This is the soap that had Steve McDonald actively believe Tracy Barlow over the supposed love of his life Becky! So I think we're more at their mercy than they are at ours If they're going to do a Peter/Leanne reunion, then they will do it regardless!! Doesn't matter what's been said in the past

Another post about my musings on this potential wedding (if it is Nick and Leanne's) because the big divorce issue it the thing here.

I'm wondering now whether Leanne could lie to Nick about divorce proceedings being in motion and this is the reason it can't go ahead? Leanne isn't going to do a Peter and add bigamy to her list of crimes and misdemeanors, but that line from Peter about never giving her a divorce....that must be foreshadowing something, surely? Leanne's so desperate for stability that she'd probably marry Nick, but unless she's divorced from Peter then she can't. Maybe she tried to tackle this issue with Peter and (fuelled by his insecurity about Simon forgetting him) refuses to comply, therefore making her unable to marry Nick?

Haven't really thought any of this through (as you can see!!) just rambling

I'd like it if it was Leanne who decided she couldn't go ahead with the wedding because she realizes she doesn't love Nick and can't do it - and then she can become single and slowly get over Peter. Even better (but unlikely) if she couldn't marry Nick last minute because she didn't love him I'd love to see her and Carla talk about it sometime (as Carla couldn't marry Frank because of Peter) but that's my fantasy world where they're friends again because they were brilliant together.

Ergh I just don't think it will go that way!

What is he talking about re maybe a wedding? It can't be Leanne's because there have not been any divorce proceedings; Peter doesn't have grounds for divorce and would never give Leanne a divorce.
So maybe it might be Steve and Michelle's or maybe Lewis and Audrey's.

I do not like Peter and Carla together, they are on a road to self-destruction, IMO. But Leanne deserves better than Peter, too, IMO, but I think that Peter and Leanne will be together again; they have been through so much together, she still loves him, and I am sure that he loves her, too, and, at one time, when they were together, he was in a redemption story with her.

I am SO pleased to read that Lewis is staying.

I watched this evening, thinking it was Friday.

After reading the Collinson interview at lunchtime, this is the first thing I thought of, i.e. the issue of divorce. I can't see how it could be realistic for Peter and Leanne to get divorced off-screen, as it were? He'd have to be there to do it, wouldn't he? Unless there's some odd stealthy solicitor roaming around on a submarine, firing legal documents out of the torpedo tube? Neither of them can get married until they're divorced first, surely?

So I think that your theory makes a lot of sense, Ms W.

I don't understand why Leanne would agree to marry Nick, either, knowing that she doesn't love him. That would just be too much self-preservation and just awful for both of them. Moreover, Nick knows this, too...it doesn't make too much sense!

Hmm. It is a tad frustrating that, after having had so much good mileage from this storyline, they'd choose to keep it going, because it was becoming a bit tired in the last go-round. On the other hand, I can understand it, because they know it has been a winner and that all the performers have been excellent.

With regards to storytelling. Yes, we do remember the details better than the writers and yes, they do want a quick hit, I agree. I don't think it always HAS to be that way, though. Drama can be created without melodrama and I don't think all the viewers would be bored by good, patient story lines. They just don't seem to think that it would work.

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I live reasonably near Stratford and know the area well and it just felt like I was somewhere else entirely, it was a unique experience, definitely. Hopefully there will be a good legacy, because it is a vast area.

It can be hard to fit the soaps around the sport at the moment but I am managing! Don't forget about Friday, though, I have a feeling this battle is going to be entertaining.


Friday today

I still see nothing in that interview in a wedding being Leanne's.

An off-screen divorce would just be lazy, although I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. However, there's no way that anything can happen while Peter's away. There'd be a lot of stuff to sort out with the solicitors and he'd need to be there to discuss/sign things etc. The whole issue of them not divorcing makes me wonder that a reunion was on the cards in the long run - have them estranged, but not legally free of each other because they'll always reunite (Ken and Deirdre/Sally and Kevin).

As for the second BIB - Since when did Peter let a little thing like already being married stop him from getting married again?


If she's still persevering with the whole "following my head, not heart" thing, then I can imagine her seizing the chance to have official stability again without thinking it through. Effectively though, it'd be a sham marriage because, as you say, the pair of them know that she doesn't love him.
It'd be funny if, as a twist, it was Nick who finally came to his sense and called off the wedding!


Collinson doesn't specifically name names, but he mentions a wedding in conjunction with Nick and Leanne's reunion ending in tears, the love square and Peter's return. If it wasn't a wedding linked to either pair, then I don't know why he'd mention in the answer to that question.

A Christmas wedding that has a question mark over it plus the love square having a big SL going over Christmas and New Year - that big SL has to be (or at least linked to) this wedding.

Mr Collinson has not always told us the whole truth - not fibbing, but just teasing sometimes then goes along another line of thought


Perhaps the wedding could be Tracy and what's his name?

Peter would come back for his sister's wedding.

BIB: Exactly. I find it highly unlikely that such legal proceedings could be carried out from so far away. So, if they do go for this route, I'd love to see how they can make it believable, or if they just won't bother?

I wasn't watching then, but I presume he went to prison for bigamy? If he did then I would hope that would have made him learn his lesson!


That would be taking head vs heart to a whole new level, though. Why would either of them even initiate the whole process of getting married when they both know that the feelings aren't there? I like your thinking about Nick calling it off, though. That would work for me.

Who knows? As you say, this wedding may not be related to the love square story line at all – but it does almost seem like it could be a big event that would fit with the general dramatic nature of this storyline, which has had its fair share of big moments.


Is Tracy still married to Steve? I'm not sure if they're divorced or not?

Peter, strangely, did not go to prison; he was let off with a caution, I think.
Ah, a warning and a fine, I read in http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BIGAMY...W.-a0133272169

Bother, I had forgotten that Tracy is still married to Steve. I think there would be time for their marriage to be annulled before Christmas.