Did the alarm on your iPhone 4 go off this morning?

moox · 02-01-2011, 13:41

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The app store is full of free Alarm Clock apps that offer more features than the default app. This is a silly software bug that all phones get, if you need an alarm download a free app, easy fix. BTW This is why I always use 2 alarms in the morning because even good alarm clocks fail sometimes.

Why should someone have to download an alternative alarm clock? This is an expensive phone whose manufacturer likes to bang on about how brilliant it is. People on here and elsewhere go on about the talent of Apple's developers and engineers - yet they can't get a simple application like an alarm clock to work properly?

How is this a big problem that "all phones get"? Could you provide proof that it is endemic within the industry? Both instances of mobile phone alarm clock failure (that I'm aware of at least) were... Apple's.

I find it interesting that when the iPhone works, people go on about revolutionary and brilliant it is, and how better it is than other phones.

But, when it doesn't work, it's an issue that "all phones have", as evidenced here and with the Antenna issue (which are not issues that all phones have).

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Originally Posted by Gormond

It could be worse, my text messages could end up going to the wrong person...

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 which was reported over 6 months ago and still not fixed!

At least Google doesn't have a marketing machine and legions of fanboys to proclaim that Android is "revolutionary" and "changes everything again".

I can't say I've ever had the SMS problem. I guess I'm just lucky. Unlike Apple's alarm clock issue it must not be a universal issue.

Gormond · 02-01-2011, 13:47

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Originally Posted by moox

Why should someone have to download an alternative alarm clock? This is an expensive phone whose manufacturer likes to bang on about how brilliant it is. People on here and elsewhere go on about the talent of Apple's developers and engineers - yet they can't get a simple application like an alarm clock to work properly?

How is this a big problem that "all phones get"? Could you provide proof that it is endemic within the industry? Both instances of mobile phone alarm clock failure (that I'm aware of at least) were... Apple's.

At least Google doesn't have a marketing machine and legions of fanboys to proclaim that Android is "revolutionary" and "changes everything again".

I can't say I've ever had the SMS problem. I guess I'm just lucky. Unlike Apple's alarm clock issue it must not be a universal issue.

For starters I mean't minor software glitches like this happen on all devices and no doubt Apple will have it fixed soon, it's hardly the end of the world... Also the alarm app is just a free app that Apple provide with the phone but there are others available for free so rather easy to rectify. PS I use my iphone as a secondary alarm to my radio alarm clock and it worked fine so it isn't happening to everyone.

The Google problem is considerably worse, it's been about for 6 month and not been fixed which is shocking! Also I would far rather my alarm not going off in the morning to a text going to the wrong person which could be disastrous!

Thine Wonk · 02-01-2011, 14:14

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Originally Posted by Gormond

For starters I mean't minor software glitches like this happen on all devices and no doubt Apple will have it fixed soon,!

They have had issues like this for many months... its not the first time.

moox · 02-01-2011, 14:18

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Originally Posted by Gormond

For starters I mean't minor software glitches like this happen on all devices and no doubt Apple will have it fixed soon, it's hardly the end of the world... Also the alarm app is just a free app that Apple provide with the phone but there are others available for free so rather easy to rectify. PS I use my iphone as a secondary alarm to my radio alarm clock and it worked fine so it isn't happening to everyone.

It isn't an excuse to say "there is an alternative". This isn't the first time that the iPhone's alarm clock doesn't work. Unfortunately, it's not as though Apple warned people beforehand. It's only when you're late for work that you know why.

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Originally Posted by Gormond

The Google problem is considerably worse, it's been about for 6 month and not been fixed which is shocking! Also I would far rather my alarm not going off in the morning to a text going to the wrong person which could be disastrous!

There are millions of Android devices out there. If the problem has existed for 6 months, why is it only now becoming a newsworthy issue?

alanwarwic · 02-01-2011, 14:25

Will be fascinating the catalogue of mishaps.
Steve Jobs misses an appointment?
A plane with no pilot?
Hundreds of flights missed.

With the daylight saving clock bug it does seems inconceivable that when checking that clock code that they never checked year end events at the same time. Was it fixed in the now delayed Rupert Murdoch update?

Red Arrow · 02-01-2011, 15:33

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

It is a shame that his mobile telephone failed to wake him - but oh well. These things happen.

The ensuing hyperbole , as you say, is entirely predictable.

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

Absolutely.

Or.

"Need an alarm clock to ensure you wake up for important briefings and first days of work? Buy an alarm clock".

Haha, you know I only just read on BBC News about this issue and the first thing that went into my head was that Soundburst will be on the forums blaming everyone else but Apple. Glad you proved me right!

Why Soundburst can't you just come out and admit Apple have messed up again on this issue?

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 15:34

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Originally Posted by Gormond

The app store is full of free Alarm Clock apps that offer more features than the default app. This is a silly software bug that all phones get, if you need an alarm download a free app, easy fix. BTW This is why I always use 2 alarms in the morning because even good alarm clocks fail sometimes.

It could be worse, my text messages could end up going to the wrong person...

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 which was reported over 6 months ago and still not fixed!

Oh, but Gormond. . . that's an Android problem - and the Android users on DS would much rather moan about problems on iPhone (you know. . .they problems they don't actually suffer from).

(even though a mobile phone. . .sending messages to the wrong contact is a much bigger fundamental problem than an alarm clock. Can't see a thread on DS about the issue.

moox · 02-01-2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

Oh, but Gormond. . . that's an Android problem - and the Android users on DS would much rather moan about problems on iPhone (you know. . .they problems they don't actually suffer from).

So you don't like people "moaning" about problems they aren't suffering from: BUT WAIT:

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

(even though a mobile phone. . .sending messages to the wrong contact is a much bigger fundamental problem than an alarm clock. Can't see a thread on DS about the issue.

You're whinging about an Android issue. Do you own an Android handset?

Unlike the alarm clock issue with the iPhone (both of them), the Android issue appears to be rare. If it can exist for 6 months and only recently become newsworthy, it isn't an epidemic. Compare this to Apple's issues which seem to become newsworthy hours after they are discovered.

It seems to be proven that Apple can't get the basics right - from antennae to alarm clocks.

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

I'm still confused as to why you shouldn't rely on a feature that comes pre-installed and on the homescreen of the device.

It says alarm clock so it should work as an alarm clock right?

How are people meant to know this knowledge that you have gained that they shouldn't rely on their Apple product and instead should buy another alarm clock.

They've also known about this issue as it's happened before and failed to fix it letting their customers down.

What about the 6 month actual phone issue with texts being sent to the wrong person on Android?

Are you as outraged? . . .or is that getting swept under the carpet.

I know for a fact if such an issue was on iPhone there would be about 8 threads created on here

Hypocrisy is a terrible, terrible thing.

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 15:41

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Originally Posted by moox

So you don't like people "moaning" about problems they aren't suffering from: BUT WAIT:

You're whinging about an Android issue. Do you own an Android handset?

Unlike the alarm clock issue with the iPhone (both of them), the Android issue appears to be rare. If it can exist for 6 months and only recently become newsworthy, it isn't an epidemic. Compare this to Apple's issues which seem to become newsworthy hours after they are discovered.

I never go into Android threads to moan about problems (like so many go into Apple threads

) - as I don't own one.

But if folk who don't own iPhones are making an issue out of an alarm clock in this thread. . . .then am I not allowed to share in the fun?

Oh I see. . .only iPhone moaners are allowed

moox · 02-01-2011, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

I never go into Android threads to moan about problems (like so many go into Apple threads

) - as I don't own one.

But if folk who don't own iPhones are making an issue out of an alarm clock in this thread. . . .then am I not allowed to share in the fun?

Oh I see. . .only iPhone moaners are allowed

I think I am qualified to pontificate. I own an iPod touch donchaknow.

You don't appear to own an Android device yet are happy to turn up the hyperbole dial to the max. I fail to see why the SMS issue is so big if it can exist for months yet no one cares (from the press and media, to fora such as this).

Apple can't get an alarm clock to work - not once, but twice.

Red Arrow · 02-01-2011, 15:46

I think the point people are trying to make Soundburst is that Apple have messed up again and it has potentially affected a lot of people. But instead of iPhone users like yourself being annoyed about it, that they have allowed this error to happen again most of you go on the defensive. Like yourself saying people shouldn't rely on using their phones as a device to wake them up in the morning.

Can you not see from that point of view how what your saying it wrong? Please prove that you have some common sense mate and at least admit Apple have messed up again with regards to this issue at least.

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 15:47

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Originally Posted by moox

I think I am qualified to pontificate. I own an iPod touch donchaknow.

You don't appear to own an Android device yet are happy to turn up the hyperbole dial to the max. I fail to see why the SMS issue is so big if it can exist for months yet no one cares (from the press and media, to fora such as this).

LMAO.

Oh dear.

I'm only referring to this problem (the only Android problem i've ever referred to) as many people who don't own iPhones are claiming this is a massive issue while completely ignoring texts being sent to the wrong people (a much larger problem). That's my hyperbole? Compared to you, and many others on DS going into every iPhone thread to have a moan?

If you *really* believe that, then I'm afraid you really really do have problems being blinded by hatred for a tech company (which in itself is a major problem in itself).

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Red Arrow

I think the point people are trying to make Soundburst is that Apple have messed up again and it has potentially affected a lot of people. But instead of iPhone users like yourself being annoyed about it, that they have allowed this error to happen again most of you go on the defensive. Like yourself saying people shouldn't rely on using their phones as a device to wake them up in the morning.

Can you not see from that point of view how what your saying it wrong? Please prove that you have some common sense mate and at least admit Apple have messed up again with regards to this issue at least.

A small bug has occurred in some Apple software and as such. . . people who don't own the phone , have never experienced the problem come on to have a whine.

That's my problem.

Talk of people missing planes. . . I mean really?

Would that happen with any other brand here on DS?

Doubtful (as the sms' being sent to the wrong people not even being mentioned , has shown).

Red Arrow · 02-01-2011, 15:53

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

A small bug has occurred in some Apple software and as such. . . people who don't own the phone , have never experienced the problem come on to have a whine.

That's my problem.

Talk of people missing planes. . . I mean really?

Would that happen with any other brand here on DS?

Doubtful (as the sms' being sent to the wrong people not even being mentioned , has shown).

Yes it's a small bug in terms of errors, but it's one that has affected a lot of iPhone users it seems to the point where they themselves have created a thread in this forum to discuss the issue.

This sms issue you keep beating on about, it's a big bug but doesn't seem to affect many people at all. As if it did people would be reporting about it a lot more.

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 15:55

I'm responding to the thread you've posted in about an iPhone alarm failing to go off because of a very minor software bug. There's been talk of people missing flights, being late for work, Apple letting their customers down, world famine etc

You then call me a troll because I've mentioned an Android software bug meaning SMS' actually get sent to the wrong people?

In this post I've mentioned two software bugs - one is somehow 10 times more massive (only by people who don't actually own the iPhone on which the bug occurs) than the other even though one is an alarm feature (of which there are many other apps and even real life alarm clocks) where the other actually affects the phone usage by means of delivering texts to the wrong person.

It's no surprise to see the minor bug (alarm) is the main talking point as its on an Apple platform with the main posts, being hyperbolic, are by folk who don't own an iPhone. Some of the same posters own an Android phone but express no concern their own handset sends texts to the wrong people. Yet they're the ones who are *not* trolling?

Bewildering.

Red Arrow · 02-01-2011, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

It's no surprise to see the minor bug (alarm) is the main talking point as its on an Apple platform with the main posts being hyperbolic are by folk who don't own an iPhone. Some of the same posters own an Android phone but express no concern their own handset sends texts to the wrong people. That's *not* trolling?

I own an Android and never have had this issue of it sending a text to the wrong person. Therefore I'm a troll because I'm posting in a thread about an iPhone bug?

I'm not saying that Android OS is perfect, it has bugs a few which affect me. What I'm saying is that the Apple PR brigade such as yourself will go on the all out defensive of the iPhone regardless of how wrong Apple are. Instead of just holding your hands up and saying yeah it's crazy they let this happen again you turn it around and try and point out the flaws in other phones, thus diverting the main topic away from the opening post and creating a flame war. Then standing back and trying to take the higher ground.

Oh and btw this clock bug is a main talking point because it was one that was started by, shock...horror....iPhone users!

moox · 02-01-2011, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

Some of the same posters own an Android phone but express no concern their own handset sends texts to the wrong people.

Because it has never happened to me. I am not concerned about something that doesn't affect my phone.

That is not to say that the bug doesn't exist - but I don't have the issue, and it clearly isn't widespread enough to be truly newsworthy (and hasn't been for months until now).

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

goodness me, so much for "it just works". How long have they had to fix this now?

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Originally Posted by Hardstyler

thought.iphones were super fones? and the alarm dusnt even work?

thank god I've got my HTC desire which hands down pisses all over and eyefone...

I'm the one called the troll when actually I'm a voice of reason in the midst of blind apple hatred hyperbole from folk who don't even suffer the problem.

There's no point entering further in discussion when an Alarm app on a mobile telephone is a world changing event on the scale of a global apocalypse whereas a mobile phone sending SMS' to the wrong people isn't worthy of a breath.

I'll leave the folk without iPhones, who don't suffer from the problem, to discuss the issue amongst yourselves.

pi r squared · 02-01-2011, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

I never go into Android threads [to moan about bugs] as I don't own one.

You do tend to stick your nose into Android threads quite frequently, like this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too.

No-one is saying that the Android OS is without bugs. After all, they're all public and listed here, so we know full well about the SMS bug, along with other bugs such as "dialling 911 crashes my phone" or, ironically, "no sound from alarm clock when set to be on". The fact still remains that the SMS bug has not affected me, anyone I know, or by the looks of it anyone on here. Remember that argument you used to use, Soundburst, when people talked about the iPhone 4 antenna issues? The exact same applies here: you can't have it both ways.

The difference seems to be, Android users will generally report bugs and chivvy Google to get them fixed. Click on any of those bugs to see the comment trail, and witness the highlights of an open bug-tracking programme. Whilst the SMS bug hasn't affected me, I know it's something that damn well needs to be fixed because even if there's a risk of it happening, it's a concern. Some Apple users instead just continue blindly defending their products, unable to admit there could be any blame to be laid at Apple's door and instead chiding people who don't have a real alarm clock. Interesting.

Red Arrow · 02-01-2011, 16:31

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Originally Posted by pi r squared

No... apart from this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too..

To be fair to Soundburst, you've kinda misquoted him as he said he never goes into Android threads to moan about bugs. Which in the case of your links, he wasn't moaning about bugs. Instead like this one, he just tries to make out the the iPhone is far superior.

pi r squared · 02-01-2011, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Red Arrow

To be fair to Soundburst, you've kinda misquoted him as he said he never goes into Android threads to moan about bugs.

Fair point. I snipped his quote for brevity, but as you correctly point out it does change the meaning of his quote a little. Have now edited it to give him a fairer representation

Soundburst · 02-01-2011, 16:49

I'd have love to left this thread on my last post but as always someone has quoted me, and wrongly.

I said I never go into moan about bugs and stuff (like NON-iPhone owners go in to moan about antennas, signal and alarms) and then pi r squared makes quotes proving my point with me just talking about the os as a whole lol.

in those quotes I don't moan about bugs with android handsets. What were you trying to prove

John_Elway · 02-01-2011, 16:52

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Originally Posted by pi r squared

You do tend to stick your nose into Android threads quite frequently, like this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too.

No-one is saying that the Android OS is without bugs. After all, they're all public and listed here, so we know full well about the SMS bug, along with other bugs such as "dialling 911 crashes my phone" or, ironically, "no sound from alarm clock when set to be on". The fact still remains that the SMS bug has not affected me, anyone I know, or by the looks of it anyone on here. Remember that argument you used to use, Soundburst, when people talked about the iPhone 4 antenna issues? The exact same applies here: you can't have it both ways.

The difference seems to be, Android users will generally report bugs and chivvy Google to get them fixed. Click on any of those bugs to see the comment trail, and witness the highlights of an open bug-tracking programme. Whilst the SMS bug hasn't affected me, I know it's something that damn well needs to be fixed because even if there's a risk of it happening, it's a concern. Some Apple users instead just continue blindly defending their products, unable to admit there could be any blame to be laid at Apple's door and instead chiding people who don't have a real alarm clock. Interesting.

And there it is... right there. Bullseye

snuffdaddy · 02-01-2011, 17:24

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Originally Posted by pi r squared

You do tend to stick your nose into Android threads quite frequently, like this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too.

No-one is saying that the Android OS is without bugs. After all, they're all public and listed here, so we know full well about the SMS bug, along with other bugs such as "dialling 911 crashes my phone" or, ironically, "no sound from alarm clock when set to be on". The fact still remains that the SMS bug has not affected me, anyone I know, or by the looks of it anyone on here. Remember that argument you used to use, Soundburst, when people talked about the iPhone 4 antenna issues? The exact same applies here: you can't have it both ways.

The difference seems to be, Android users will generally report bugs and chivvy Google to get them fixed. Click on any of those bugs to see the comment trail, and witness the highlights of an open bug-tracking programme. Whilst the SMS bug hasn't affected me, I know it's something that damn well needs to be fixed because even if there's a risk of it happening, it's a concern. Some Apple users instead just continue blindly defending their products, unable to admit there could be any blame to be laid at Apple's door and instead chiding people who don't have a real alarm clock. Interesting.

Lost count at the amount of times a new phone comes out & gets flooded with ifans comments saying its not an iphone.

02-01-2011, 13:41	#76
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond The app store is full of free Alarm Clock apps that offer more features than the default app. This is a silly software bug that all phones get, if you need an alarm download a free app, easy fix. BTW This is why I always use 2 alarms in the morning because even good alarm clocks fail sometimes. Why should someone have to download an alternative alarm clock? This is an expensive phone whose manufacturer likes to bang on about how brilliant it is. People on here and elsewhere go on about the talent of Apple's developers and engineers - yet they can't get a simple application like an alarm clock to work properly? How is this a big problem that "all phones get"? Could you provide proof that it is endemic within the industry? Both instances of mobile phone alarm clock failure (that I'm aware of at least) were... Apple's. I find it interesting that when the iPhone works, people go on about revolutionary and brilliant it is, and how better it is than other phones. But, when it doesn't work, it's an issue that "all phones have", as evidenced here and with the Antenna issue (which are not issues that all phones have). Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond It could be worse, my text messages could end up going to the wrong person... http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 which was reported over 6 months ago and still not fixed! At least Google doesn't have a marketing machine and legions of fanboys to proclaim that Android is "revolutionary" and "changes everything again". I can't say I've ever had the SMS problem. I guess I'm just lucky. Unlike Apple's alarm clock issue it must not be a universal issue.

02-01-2011, 13:47	#77
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by moox Why should someone have to download an alternative alarm clock? This is an expensive phone whose manufacturer likes to bang on about how brilliant it is. People on here and elsewhere go on about the talent of Apple's developers and engineers - yet they can't get a simple application like an alarm clock to work properly? How is this a big problem that "all phones get"? Could you provide proof that it is endemic within the industry? Both instances of mobile phone alarm clock failure (that I'm aware of at least) were... Apple's. At least Google doesn't have a marketing machine and legions of fanboys to proclaim that Android is "revolutionary" and "changes everything again". I can't say I've ever had the SMS problem. I guess I'm just lucky. Unlike Apple's alarm clock issue it must not be a universal issue. For starters I mean't minor software glitches like this happen on all devices and no doubt Apple will have it fixed soon, it's hardly the end of the world... Also the alarm app is just a free app that Apple provide with the phone but there are others available for free so rather easy to rectify. PS I use my iphone as a secondary alarm to my radio alarm clock and it worked fine so it isn't happening to everyone. The Google problem is considerably worse, it's been about for 6 month and not been fixed which is shocking! Also I would far rather my alarm not going off in the morning to a text going to the wrong person which could be disastrous!

02-01-2011, 14:14	#78
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond For starters I mean't minor software glitches like this happen on all devices and no doubt Apple will have it fixed soon,! They have had issues like this for many months... its not the first time.

02-01-2011, 14:18	#79
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond For starters I mean't minor software glitches like this happen on all devices and no doubt Apple will have it fixed soon, it's hardly the end of the world... Also the alarm app is just a free app that Apple provide with the phone but there are others available for free so rather easy to rectify. PS I use my iphone as a secondary alarm to my radio alarm clock and it worked fine so it isn't happening to everyone. It isn't an excuse to say "there is an alternative". This isn't the first time that the iPhone's alarm clock doesn't work. Unfortunately, it's not as though Apple warned people beforehand. It's only when you're late for work that you know why. Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond The Google problem is considerably worse, it's been about for 6 month and not been fixed which is shocking! Also I would far rather my alarm not going off in the morning to a text going to the wrong person which could be disastrous! There are millions of Android devices out there. If the problem has existed for 6 months, why is it only now becoming a newsworthy issue?

02-01-2011, 14:25	#80
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Will be fascinating the catalogue of mishaps. Steve Jobs misses an appointment? A plane with no pilot? Hundreds of flights missed. With the daylight saving clock bug it does seems inconceivable that when checking that clock code that they never checked year end events at the same time. Was it fixed in the now delayed Rupert Murdoch update?

02-01-2011, 15:33	#81
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst It is a shame that his mobile telephone failed to wake him - but oh well. These things happen. The ensuing hyperbole , as you say, is entirely predictable. Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst Absolutely. Or. "Need an alarm clock to ensure you wake up for important briefings and first days of work? Buy an alarm clock". Haha, you know I only just read on BBC News about this issue and the first thing that went into my head was that Soundburst will be on the forums blaming everyone else but Apple. Glad you proved me right! Why Soundburst can't you just come out and admit Apple have messed up again on this issue?

02-01-2011, 15:34	#82
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond The app store is full of free Alarm Clock apps that offer more features than the default app. This is a silly software bug that all phones get, if you need an alarm download a free app, easy fix. BTW This is why I always use 2 alarms in the morning because even good alarm clocks fail sometimes. It could be worse, my text messages could end up going to the wrong person... http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392 which was reported over 6 months ago and still not fixed! Oh, but Gormond. . . that's an Android problem - and the Android users on DS would much rather moan about problems on iPhone (you know. . .they problems they don't actually suffer from). (even though a mobile phone. . .sending messages to the wrong contact is a much bigger fundamental problem than an alarm clock. Can't see a thread on DS about the issue.

02-01-2011, 15:40	#83
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst Oh, but Gormond. . . that's an Android problem - and the Android users on DS would much rather moan about problems on iPhone (you know. . .they problems they don't actually suffer from). So you don't like people "moaning" about problems they aren't suffering from: BUT WAIT: Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst (even though a mobile phone. . .sending messages to the wrong contact is a much bigger fundamental problem than an alarm clock. Can't see a thread on DS about the issue. You're whinging about an Android issue. Do you own an Android handset? Unlike the alarm clock issue with the iPhone (both of them), the Android issue appears to be rare. If it can exist for 6 months and only recently become newsworthy, it isn't an epidemic. Compare this to Apple's issues which seem to become newsworthy hours after they are discovered. It seems to be proven that Apple can't get the basics right - from antennae to alarm clocks.

02-01-2011, 15:40	#84
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk I'm still confused as to why you shouldn't rely on a feature that comes pre-installed and on the homescreen of the device. It says alarm clock so it should work as an alarm clock right? How are people meant to know this knowledge that you have gained that they shouldn't rely on their Apple product and instead should buy another alarm clock. They've also known about this issue as it's happened before and failed to fix it letting their customers down. What about the 6 month actual phone issue with texts being sent to the wrong person on Android? Are you as outraged? . . .or is that getting swept under the carpet. I know for a fact if such an issue was on iPhone there would be about 8 threads created on here Hypocrisy is a terrible, terrible thing.

02-01-2011, 15:41	#85
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by moox So you don't like people "moaning" about problems they aren't suffering from: BUT WAIT: You're whinging about an Android issue. Do you own an Android handset? Unlike the alarm clock issue with the iPhone (both of them), the Android issue appears to be rare. If it can exist for 6 months and only recently become newsworthy, it isn't an epidemic. Compare this to Apple's issues which seem to become newsworthy hours after they are discovered. I never go into Android threads to moan about problems (like so many go into Apple threads ) - as I don't own one. But if folk who don't own iPhones are making an issue out of an alarm clock in this thread. . . .then am I not allowed to share in the fun? Oh I see. . .only iPhone moaners are allowed

02-01-2011, 15:45	#86
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst I never go into Android threads to moan about problems (like so many go into Apple threads ) - as I don't own one. But if folk who don't own iPhones are making an issue out of an alarm clock in this thread. . . .then am I not allowed to share in the fun? Oh I see. . .only iPhone moaners are allowed I think I am qualified to pontificate. I own an iPod touch donchaknow. You don't appear to own an Android device yet are happy to turn up the hyperbole dial to the max. I fail to see why the SMS issue is so big if it can exist for months yet no one cares (from the press and media, to fora such as this). Apple can't get an alarm clock to work - not once, but twice.

02-01-2011, 15:46	#87
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	I think the point people are trying to make Soundburst is that Apple have messed up again and it has potentially affected a lot of people. But instead of iPhone users like yourself being annoyed about it, that they have allowed this error to happen again most of you go on the defensive. Like yourself saying people shouldn't rely on using their phones as a device to wake them up in the morning. Can you not see from that point of view how what your saying it wrong? Please prove that you have some common sense mate and at least admit Apple have messed up again with regards to this issue at least.

02-01-2011, 15:47	#88
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by moox I think I am qualified to pontificate. I own an iPod touch donchaknow. You don't appear to own an Android device yet are happy to turn up the hyperbole dial to the max. I fail to see why the SMS issue is so big if it can exist for months yet no one cares (from the press and media, to fora such as this). LMAO. Oh dear. I'm only referring to this problem (the only Android problem i've ever referred to) as many people who don't own iPhones are claiming this is a massive issue while completely ignoring texts being sent to the wrong people (a much larger problem). That's my hyperbole? Compared to you, and many others on DS going into every iPhone thread to have a moan? If you really believe that, then I'm afraid you really really do have problems being blinded by hatred for a tech company (which in itself is a major problem in itself).

02-01-2011, 15:49	#89
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	Quote: Originally Posted by Red Arrow I think the point people are trying to make Soundburst is that Apple have messed up again and it has potentially affected a lot of people. But instead of iPhone users like yourself being annoyed about it, that they have allowed this error to happen again most of you go on the defensive. Like yourself saying people shouldn't rely on using their phones as a device to wake them up in the morning. Can you not see from that point of view how what your saying it wrong? Please prove that you have some common sense mate and at least admit Apple have messed up again with regards to this issue at least. A small bug has occurred in some Apple software and as such. . . people who don't own the phone , have never experienced the problem come on to have a whine. That's my problem. Talk of people missing planes. . . I mean really? Would that happen with any other brand here on DS? Doubtful (as the sms' being sent to the wrong people not even being mentioned , has shown).

02-01-2011, 15:53	#90
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst A small bug has occurred in some Apple software and as such. . . people who don't own the phone , have never experienced the problem come on to have a whine. That's my problem. Talk of people missing planes. . . I mean really? Would that happen with any other brand here on DS? Doubtful (as the sms' being sent to the wrong people not even being mentioned , has shown). Yes it's a small bug in terms of errors, but it's one that has affected a lot of iPhone users it seems to the point where they themselves have created a thread in this forum to discuss the issue. This sms issue you keep beating on about, it's a big bug but doesn't seem to affect many people at all. As if it did people would be reporting about it a lot more.

02-01-2011, 15:55	#91
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	I'm responding to the thread you've posted in about an iPhone alarm failing to go off because of a very minor software bug. There's been talk of people missing flights, being late for work, Apple letting their customers down, world famine etc You then call me a troll because I've mentioned an Android software bug meaning SMS' actually get sent to the wrong people? In this post I've mentioned two software bugs - one is somehow 10 times more massive (only by people who don't actually own the iPhone on which the bug occurs) than the other even though one is an alarm feature (of which there are many other apps and even real life alarm clocks) where the other actually affects the phone usage by means of delivering texts to the wrong person. It's no surprise to see the minor bug (alarm) is the main talking point as its on an Apple platform with the main posts, being hyperbolic, are by folk who don't own an iPhone. Some of the same posters own an Android phone but express no concern their own handset sends texts to the wrong people. Yet they're the ones who are not trolling? Bewildering.

02-01-2011, 16:01	#92
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst It's no surprise to see the minor bug (alarm) is the main talking point as its on an Apple platform with the main posts being hyperbolic are by folk who don't own an iPhone. Some of the same posters own an Android phone but express no concern their own handset sends texts to the wrong people. That's not trolling? I own an Android and never have had this issue of it sending a text to the wrong person. Therefore I'm a troll because I'm posting in a thread about an iPhone bug? I'm not saying that Android OS is perfect, it has bugs a few which affect me. What I'm saying is that the Apple PR brigade such as yourself will go on the all out defensive of the iPhone regardless of how wrong Apple are. Instead of just holding your hands up and saying yeah it's crazy they let this happen again you turn it around and try and point out the flaws in other phones, thus diverting the main topic away from the opening post and creating a flame war. Then standing back and trying to take the higher ground. Oh and btw this clock bug is a main talking point because it was one that was started by, shock...horror....iPhone users!

02-01-2011, 16:05	#93
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst Some of the same posters own an Android phone but express no concern their own handset sends texts to the wrong people. Because it has never happened to me. I am not concerned about something that doesn't affect my phone. That is not to say that the bug doesn't exist - but I don't have the issue, and it clearly isn't widespread enough to be truly newsworthy (and hasn't been for months until now).

02-01-2011, 16:27	#95
pi r squared Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,185	Quote: Originally Posted by Soundburst I never go into Android threads [to moan about bugs] as I don't own one. You do tend to stick your nose into Android threads quite frequently, like this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too. No-one is saying that the Android OS is without bugs. After all, they're all public and listed here, so we know full well about the SMS bug, along with other bugs such as "dialling 911 crashes my phone" or, ironically, "no sound from alarm clock when set to be on". The fact still remains that the SMS bug has not affected me, anyone I know, or by the looks of it anyone on here. Remember that argument you used to use, Soundburst, when people talked about the iPhone 4 antenna issues? The exact same applies here: you can't have it both ways. The difference seems to be, Android users will generally report bugs and chivvy Google to get them fixed. Click on any of those bugs to see the comment trail, and witness the highlights of an open bug-tracking programme. Whilst the SMS bug hasn't affected me, I know it's something that damn well needs to be fixed because even if there's a risk of it happening, it's a concern. Some Apple users instead just continue blindly defending their products, unable to admit there could be any blame to be laid at Apple's door and instead chiding people who don't have a real alarm clock. Interesting.

02-01-2011, 16:31	#96
Red Arrow Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 10,688	Quote: Originally Posted by pi r squared No... apart from this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too.. To be fair to Soundburst, you've kinda misquoted him as he said he never goes into Android threads to moan about bugs. Which in the case of your links, he wasn't moaning about bugs. Instead like this one, he just tries to make out the the iPhone is far superior.

02-01-2011, 16:41	#97
pi r squared Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,185	Quote: Originally Posted by Red Arrow To be fair to Soundburst, you've kinda misquoted him as he said he never goes into Android threads to moan about bugs. Fair point. I snipped his quote for brevity, but as you correctly point out it does change the meaning of his quote a little. Have now edited it to give him a fairer representation

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Did the alarm on your iPhone 4 go off this morning?

02-01-2011, 16:49	#98
Soundburst Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12,850	I'd have love to left this thread on my last post but as always someone has quoted me, and wrongly. I said I never go into moan about bugs and stuff (like NON-iPhone owners go in to moan about antennas, signal and alarms) and then pi r squared makes quotes proving my point with me just talking about the os as a whole lol. in those quotes I don't moan about bugs with android handsets. What were you trying to prove

02-01-2011, 16:52	#99
John_Elway Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I live in the woods Posts: 5,061	Quote: Originally Posted by pi r squared You do tend to stick your nose into Android threads quite frequently, like this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too. No-one is saying that the Android OS is without bugs. After all, they're all public and listed here, so we know full well about the SMS bug, along with other bugs such as "dialling 911 crashes my phone" or, ironically, "no sound from alarm clock when set to be on". The fact still remains that the SMS bug has not affected me, anyone I know, or by the looks of it anyone on here. Remember that argument you used to use, Soundburst, when people talked about the iPhone 4 antenna issues? The exact same applies here: you can't have it both ways. The difference seems to be, Android users will generally report bugs and chivvy Google to get them fixed. Click on any of those bugs to see the comment trail, and witness the highlights of an open bug-tracking programme. Whilst the SMS bug hasn't affected me, I know it's something that damn well needs to be fixed because even if there's a risk of it happening, it's a concern. Some Apple users instead just continue blindly defending their products, unable to admit there could be any blame to be laid at Apple's door and instead chiding people who don't have a real alarm clock. Interesting. And there it is... right there. Bullseye

02-01-2011, 17:24	#100
snuffdaddy Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London Posts: 386	Quote: Originally Posted by pi r squared You do tend to stick your nose into Android threads quite frequently, like this one, and that one, and the other one. Oh, and let's not forget this one which kind of counts, too. No-one is saying that the Android OS is without bugs. After all, they're all public and listed here, so we know full well about the SMS bug, along with other bugs such as "dialling 911 crashes my phone" or, ironically, "no sound from alarm clock when set to be on". The fact still remains that the SMS bug has not affected me, anyone I know, or by the looks of it anyone on here. Remember that argument you used to use, Soundburst, when people talked about the iPhone 4 antenna issues? The exact same applies here: you can't have it both ways. The difference seems to be, Android users will generally report bugs and chivvy Google to get them fixed. Click on any of those bugs to see the comment trail, and witness the highlights of an open bug-tracking programme. Whilst the SMS bug hasn't affected me, I know it's something that damn well needs to be fixed because even if there's a risk of it happening, it's a concern. Some Apple users instead just continue blindly defending their products, unable to admit there could be any blame to be laid at Apple's door and instead chiding people who don't have a real alarm clock. Interesting. Lost count at the amount of times a new phone comes out & gets flooded with ifans comments saying its not an iphone.