Help 94 year old use her digital tv

Pargolf71 · 03-01-2011, 16:19

My mum in law aged 94 has now got a Logik l19dvdb20 (had to because of digital change over) it’s her only view to the world. I have tried a few easy to use so called universal controllers but they don’t work or don’t make it any easier to use, and yes I have taken a picture of the remote, written short instructions and sat with her until she gets it. But I cannot be there all the time.
Do you know how to
1. How to keep the blue box (when pressing source) on the screen for more than the 10 seconds it appears - it just doesnt give her enough time to select either the DVD or the DTV.
2. Remove some of the selections given when pressing source other than the DVD and the DTV. (less choice - more understanding)
or disable the other inputs other than the DVD and the DTV.
3. Is there a way to get into the engineer menus to do any of the above.
4.Is there a way to get into the engineer menus to allocate a single button on the remote to choose between DVD and DTV.

Any help on this would be fantastic and allow her to watch her TV without worrying how to use it, and keep any selection simple. God knows how other older people are going to cope.

Pargolf71

gds1972 · 03-01-2011, 16:31

Will the TV not change automatically to the DVD feed if it has been connected by a SCART lead?

Also will the TV change back to the last feed watched when the DVD is switched off?

What happens to the TV if you press the number of the channel you want to watch when you are tuned to the DVD channel?

Edit: Forgot to add that some universal remote controls come with Macro buttons that you can use to programme a few command strokes to!

John Currie · 03-01-2011, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by gds1972

Will the TV not change automatically to the DVD feed if it has been connected by a SCART lead?

Also will the TV change back to the last feed watched when the DVD is switched off?

I suspect the OPs M-I-Ls Tv is a Tv-Dvd Combi.
This is where separates would have been better.

Richard46 · 03-01-2011, 18:38

OP sounds like your question is very specific to this Logic model, have you tried contacting them? Universal remotes will not help in this case, they just mimick the original, so same issues.

One might have thought that just playing a DVD would switch the display to DVD but I guess you have tried that.

I feel your pain BTW have an 86 year old mother with a Panny LCD, a DVD player and a Humax PVR. At least she finds a PVR easier to use than her old VCR.

stylo · 03-01-2011, 19:23

There is probably an option to un-tick the unwanted input selections in the setup menu. Think all you need to leave her with is the 'DTV' ticked. (There's no option to un-tick DVD).
On mine (19" Grundig combi), it's in the 'TV Setup' from the menu.

If a DVD is inserted, it automatically switches to the DVD Menu. When disc is ejected, it goes back automatically to DTV.

John Currie · 03-01-2011, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by stylo

There is probably an option to un-tick the unwanted input selections in the setup menu

That is probably specific to your model but unlikely to be a feature available in any of the majority of these generic TV-DVD Combis.

Pargolf71 · 03-01-2011, 20:33

Yep it is a combi, forgot to say that.

I counldnt see any boxes to uncheck in the manual so I 'll check that next time I see her.

I havent tied contacting Logik yet , I thought I would contact people like yourselves 1st

The other problem is, you can only insert a DVD when its set to DVD, so the other option of it self switching is out.

I really appreciate your help and comments, if their are any more I will act on them

Regards

stylo · 04-01-2011, 02:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Currie

That is probably specific to your model but unlikely to be a feature available in any of the majority of these generic TV-DVD Combis.

I think this is more likely to be a generic feature than specific. The Grundig's certainly in the class of 'generic' gear!.

Turning off these unwanted inputs on the source menu can also be done on another cheapo bedroom TV-Combi we have, and also on our main Sony TV

Sad_BB_Addict · 04-01-2011, 02:42

When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful.

Richard46 · 04-01-2011, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful.

Great idea, why did I not think of that, going to see Mother now, I will do that this afternoon on the printer I have just set up for her (and which she cannot use either

).

stud u like · 04-01-2011, 10:20

They forget so quickly and phone up "my television is not working" or "I put a DVD in and it does not work". Then you discover when you go round there that the DVD/video player has been lovingly unscrewed and in bits.

Most infuriating.

John Currie · 04-01-2011, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by stud u like

They forget so quickly and phone up "my television is not working" or "I put a DVD in and it does not work". Then you discover when you go round there that the DVD/video player has been lovingly unscrewed and in bits.

Most infuriating.

Did you read the thread?
It's about a 94yr old who cannot operate her Tv.

stud u like · 04-01-2011, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Currie

Did you read the thread?
It's about a 94yr old who cannot operate her Tv.

Thats what I am writing about. I have done English comprehension before.

John Currie · 04-01-2011, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by stud u like

Thats what I am writing about. I have done English comprehension before.

How many 94yr olds do you know that would have the eyesight and dexterity to take apart something like that?

chrisjr · 04-01-2011, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful.

What I did for my mum (mid 80's and self confessed technophobe) was use a Dymo labeller to produce small text labels for some of the buttons on the remote of her Freeview recorder.

The Play, Stop, Record etc buttons only have symbols which she could never remember the meaning of. So I just used the Dymo machine to create text labels for them and stuck them under the relevant buttons.

Amazingly they are still stuck on and readable a couple of years later!

captainkremmen · 04-01-2011, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Currie

How many 94yr olds do you know that would have the eyesight and dexterity to take apart something like that?

I think it was a joke.

My mum is only in her 60s and is also saying that her and technology don't mix. She can just about manage to work her Toshiba LCD TV, in that she can switch it on and change channels. But show her how to switch to AV inputs etc. and she'll be on the phone an hour later asking what button to press again. She has a Toshiba VHS/DVD Recorder combi with built in Freeview, yet has never recorded anything nor watched a video tape nor DVD as she doesn't know how to operate it. No matter how many times I show her "Insert tape or disc, press VHS/DVD button so green light shows which one you want to use, press play" it just doesn't register. She calls me at least once a week to ask where the ENTER or RETURN key is on her laptop keyboard, depending on what term she reads in a magazine. If I have called it the the ENTER key yet the magazine says RETURN she gets confused.

Mums gotta love them.

Pargolf71 · 05-01-2011, 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful.

Yep, done that when she first got it, and it is useful

Pargolf71

Pargolf71 · 05-01-2011, 20:02

I'm a bit suprised that no-one has come up with the method of getting to the engineering menus. Does anyone out there know how to do it.
I'm still trying to get it touch with Logik.

regards

John Currie · 05-01-2011, 20:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pargolf71

I'm still trying to get it touch with Logik

I wouldn't waste your time.
Logik is just a brand name stuck onto low-end equipment made for Currys/Dixons/PC World.
If you were able to talk to anyone at customer support I seriously doubt they can help in any way.
What I would suggest is to buy and program a "Harmony" activity-based remote control.

Richard46 · 05-01-2011, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Currie

I wouldn't waste your time.
Logik is just a brand name stuck onto low-end equipment made for Currys/Dixons/PC World.
If you were able to talk to anyone at customer support I seriously doubt they can help in any way.
What I would suggest is to buy and program a "Harmony" activity-based remote control.

I am a great Harmony fan, but I don't see how a Harmony is going to solve the OPs mother in laws problems. She has an integrated TV/DVD with one remote so all a harmony will do is replicate the problems.

John Currie · 05-01-2011, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard46

I am a great Harmony fan, but I don't see how a Harmony is going to solve the OPs mother in laws problems. She has an integrated TV/DVD with one remote so all a harmony will do is replicate the problems.

I know it's an integrated set but I think it would be possible to set a 1-button push to "Watch Tv" and another to "Watch Dvd".

technologist · 05-01-2011, 20:56

you may find this helpful

http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org....es/remotes.htm

Ricability are a research organization who are into making things easy to use .. http://www.ricability.org.uk/index.aspx so you may find someother things there ..

Also if the area has DSO ed she should have the DigitaL help scheme to give some assistance .. http://www.helpscheme.co.uk/

Richard46 · 05-01-2011, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Currie

I know it's an integrated set but I think it would be possible to set a 1-button push to "Watch Tv" and another to "Watch Dvd".

Possibly; but unless the Harmony database has discrete codes for those options then it will just reproduce the problems with the original remote i.e limited time to choose the source; which the OPs MIL cannot cope with.

stud u like · 05-01-2011, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Currie

How many 94yr olds do you know that would have the eyesight and dexterity to take apart something like that?

I was talking about a 75 year old retired electrician with cataracts.

Pargolf71 · 18-01-2011, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by technologist

you may find this helpful

http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org....es/remotes.htm

Ricability are a research organization who are into making things easy to use .. http://www.ricability.org.uk/index.aspx so you may find someother things there ..

Also if the area has DSO ed she should have the DigitaL help scheme to give some assistance .. http://www.helpscheme.co.uk/

thanks for the links, and thanks to all those who took time to post a thought.

03-01-2011, 16:19	#1
Pargolf71 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Help 94 year old use her digital tv My mum in law aged 94 has now got a Logik l19dvdb20 (had to because of digital change over) it’s her only view to the world. I have tried a few easy to use so called universal controllers but they don’t work or don’t make it any easier to use, and yes I have taken a picture of the remote, written short instructions and sat with her until she gets it. But I cannot be there all the time. Do you know how to 1. How to keep the blue box (when pressing source) on the screen for more than the 10 seconds it appears - it just doesnt give her enough time to select either the DVD or the DTV. 2. Remove some of the selections given when pressing source other than the DVD and the DTV. (less choice - more understanding) or disable the other inputs other than the DVD and the DTV. 3. Is there a way to get into the engineer menus to do any of the above. 4.Is there a way to get into the engineer menus to allocate a single button on the remote to choose between DVD and DTV. Any help on this would be fantastic and allow her to watch her TV without worrying how to use it, and keep any selection simple. God knows how other older people are going to cope. Pargolf71

03-01-2011, 16:31	#2
gds1972 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,515	Will the TV not change automatically to the DVD feed if it has been connected by a SCART lead? Also will the TV change back to the last feed watched when the DVD is switched off? What happens to the TV if you press the number of the channel you want to watch when you are tuned to the DVD channel? Edit: Forgot to add that some universal remote controls come with Macro buttons that you can use to programme a few command strokes to!

03-01-2011, 17:10	#3
John Currie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Lanarkshire. Scotland Posts: 2,005	Quote: Originally Posted by gds1972 Will the TV not change automatically to the DVD feed if it has been connected by a SCART lead? Also will the TV change back to the last feed watched when the DVD is switched off? I suspect the OPs M-I-Ls Tv is a Tv-Dvd Combi. This is where separates would have been better.

03-01-2011, 18:38	#4
Richard46 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London Posts: 41,718	OP sounds like your question is very specific to this Logic model, have you tried contacting them? Universal remotes will not help in this case, they just mimick the original, so same issues. One might have thought that just playing a DVD would switch the display to DVD but I guess you have tried that. I feel your pain BTW have an 86 year old mother with a Panny LCD, a DVD player and a Humax PVR. At least she finds a PVR easier to use than her old VCR.

03-01-2011, 19:23	#5
stylo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 340	There is probably an option to un-tick the unwanted input selections in the setup menu. Think all you need to leave her with is the 'DTV' ticked. (There's no option to un-tick DVD). On mine (19" Grundig combi), it's in the 'TV Setup' from the menu. If a DVD is inserted, it automatically switches to the DVD Menu. When disc is ejected, it goes back automatically to DTV.

03-01-2011, 20:26	#6
John Currie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Lanarkshire. Scotland Posts: 2,005	Quote: Originally Posted by stylo There is probably an option to un-tick the unwanted input selections in the setup menu That is probably specific to your model but unlikely to be a feature available in any of the majority of these generic TV-DVD Combis.

03-01-2011, 20:33	#7
Pargolf71 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Yep it is a combi, forgot to say that. I counldnt see any boxes to uncheck in the manual so I 'll check that next time I see her. I havent tied contacting Logik yet , I thought I would contact people like yourselves 1st The other problem is, you can only insert a DVD when its set to DVD, so the other option of it self switching is out. I really appreciate your help and comments, if their are any more I will act on them Regards

04-01-2011, 02:39	#8
stylo Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 340	Quote: Originally Posted by John Currie That is probably specific to your model but unlikely to be a feature available in any of the majority of these generic TV-DVD Combis. I think this is more likely to be a generic feature than specific. The Grundig's certainly in the class of 'generic' gear!. Turning off these unwanted inputs on the source menu can also be done on another cheapo bedroom TV-Combi we have, and also on our main Sony TV

04-01-2011, 02:42	#9
Sad_BB_Addict Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Essex Posts: 86,769	When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful.

04-01-2011, 10:12	#10
Richard46 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London Posts: 41,718	Quote: Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful. Great idea, why did I not think of that, going to see Mother now, I will do that this afternoon on the printer I have just set up for her (and which she cannot use either ).

04-01-2011, 10:20	#11
stud u like Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Sunny Side Of The Street Posts: 40,105	They forget so quickly and phone up "my television is not working" or "I put a DVD in and it does not work". Then you discover when you go round there that the DVD/video player has been lovingly unscrewed and in bits. Most infuriating.

04-01-2011, 10:28	#12
John Currie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Lanarkshire. Scotland Posts: 2,005	Quote: Originally Posted by stud u like They forget so quickly and phone up "my television is not working" or "I put a DVD in and it does not work". Then you discover when you go round there that the DVD/video player has been lovingly unscrewed and in bits. Most infuriating. Did you read the thread? It's about a 94yr old who cannot operate her Tv.

04-01-2011, 10:31	#13
stud u like Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Sunny Side Of The Street Posts: 40,105	Quote: Originally Posted by John Currie Did you read the thread? It's about a 94yr old who cannot operate her Tv. Thats what I am writing about. I have done English comprehension before.

04-01-2011, 12:43	#14
John Currie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Lanarkshire. Scotland Posts: 2,005	Quote: Originally Posted by stud u like Thats what I am writing about. I have done English comprehension before. How many 94yr olds do you know that would have the eyesight and dexterity to take apart something like that?

04-01-2011, 12:49	#15
chrisjr Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 27,916	Quote: Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful. What I did for my mum (mid 80's and self confessed technophobe) was use a Dymo labeller to produce small text labels for some of the buttons on the remote of her Freeview recorder. The Play, Stop, Record etc buttons only have symbols which she could never remember the meaning of. So I just used the Dymo machine to create text labels for them and stuck them under the relevant buttons. Amazingly they are still stuck on and readable a couple of years later!

04-01-2011, 12:54	#16
captainkremmen Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DAVEVILLE, Daveshire DA1 1VE Posts: 33,621	Quote: Originally Posted by John Currie How many 94yr olds do you know that would have the eyesight and dexterity to take apart something like that? I think it was a joke. My mum is only in her 60s and is also saying that her and technology don't mix. She can just about manage to work her Toshiba LCD TV, in that she can switch it on and change channels. But show her how to switch to AV inputs etc. and she'll be on the phone an hour later asking what button to press again. She has a Toshiba VHS/DVD Recorder combi with built in Freeview, yet has never recorded anything nor watched a video tape nor DVD as she doesn't know how to operate it. No matter how many times I show her "Insert tape or disc, press VHS/DVD button so green light shows which one you want to use, press play" it just doesn't register. She calls me at least once a week to ask where the ENTER or RETURN key is on her laptop keyboard, depending on what term she reads in a magazine. If I have called it the the ENTER key yet the magazine says RETURN she gets confused. Mums gotta love them.

05-01-2011, 19:56	#17
Pargolf71 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Quote: Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict When I set one up for my old mum, I scanned the diagram of the remote control from the manual, enlarged it to A4, with big labels for the commonly-used buttons. She said it was very useful. Yep, done that when she first got it, and it is useful Pargolf71

05-01-2011, 20:02	#18
Pargolf71 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	I'm a bit suprised that no-one has come up with the method of getting to the engineering menus. Does anyone out there know how to do it. I'm still trying to get it touch with Logik. regards

05-01-2011, 20:20	#19
John Currie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Lanarkshire. Scotland Posts: 2,005	Quote: Originally Posted by Pargolf71 I'm still trying to get it touch with Logik I wouldn't waste your time. Logik is just a brand name stuck onto low-end equipment made for Currys/Dixons/PC World. If you were able to talk to anyone at customer support I seriously doubt they can help in any way. What I would suggest is to buy and program a "Harmony" activity-based remote control.

05-01-2011, 20:31	#20
Richard46 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London Posts: 41,718	Quote: Originally Posted by John Currie I wouldn't waste your time. Logik is just a brand name stuck onto low-end equipment made for Currys/Dixons/PC World. If you were able to talk to anyone at customer support I seriously doubt they can help in any way. What I would suggest is to buy and program a "Harmony" activity-based remote control. I am a great Harmony fan, but I don't see how a Harmony is going to solve the OPs mother in laws problems. She has an integrated TV/DVD with one remote so all a harmony will do is replicate the problems.

05-01-2011, 20:39	#21
John Currie Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Lanarkshire. Scotland Posts: 2,005	Quote: Originally Posted by Richard46 I am a great Harmony fan, but I don't see how a Harmony is going to solve the OPs mother in laws problems. She has an integrated TV/DVD with one remote so all a harmony will do is replicate the problems. I know it's an integrated set but I think it would be possible to set a 1-button push to "Watch Tv" and another to "Watch Dvd".

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Help 94 year old use her digital tv

05-01-2011, 20:56	#22
technologist Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 7,519	you may find this helpful http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org....es/remotes.htm Ricability are a research organization who are into making things easy to use .. http://www.ricability.org.uk/index.aspx so you may find someother things there .. Also if the area has DSO ed she should have the DigitaL help scheme to give some assistance .. http://www.helpscheme.co.uk/

05-01-2011, 20:59	#23
Richard46 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London Posts: 41,718	Quote: Originally Posted by John Currie I know it's an integrated set but I think it would be possible to set a 1-button push to "Watch Tv" and another to "Watch Dvd". Possibly; but unless the Harmony database has discrete codes for those options then it will just reproduce the problems with the original remote i.e limited time to choose the source; which the OPs MIL cannot cope with.

05-01-2011, 22:34	#24
stud u like Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Sunny Side Of The Street Posts: 40,105	Quote: Originally Posted by John Currie How many 94yr olds do you know that would have the eyesight and dexterity to take apart something like that? I was talking about a 75 year old retired electrician with cataracts.

18-01-2011, 20:05	#25
Pargolf71 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 5	Quote: Originally Posted by technologist you may find this helpful http://www.ricability-digitaltv.org....es/remotes.htm Ricability are a research organization who are into making things easy to use .. http://www.ricability.org.uk/index.aspx so you may find someother things there .. Also if the area has DSO ed she should have the DigitaL help scheme to give some assistance .. http://www.helpscheme.co.uk/ thanks for the links, and thanks to all those who took time to post a thought.