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A couple of changes at the top for the digital channels lately. Angela Jain is to leave E4. She commissioned Misfits, Dead Set, The Inbetweeners and Hollyoaks Later as well as overseeing the complete re-casting of Skins series 3 and the acquisition of Glee. She hasn't actually been running E4 for the past year (on maternity leave) but she won't be coming back. She's apparently one of the contenders for the job running ITV's multi-channels when Zai Bennett leaves.
The fact that E4 won't have its own controller is a bad sign, IMO (especially as it will share a "channel manager" with More4). A few years ago they were really pushing original UK scripted shows but they seem to have cooled off and I worry for Skins this year. I've watched since the start but I'm not really sure I can be bothered with a 3rd set of characters. The other big change is that Claudia Rosencrantz is leaving what remains of Living TV Group. She commissioned a string of returning reality series for the channel such as Britain's Next Top Model, Four Weddings and lured Katie Price away from ITV2. But under the new management she didn't feel there was an equivalent role for her. Of course, Living is going the opposite way to E4 and it's getting more money and had already made its first drama commission. Sky certainly seem to be investing in non-sport content now which is long overdue. And the BBC always have money. But I'd like to see ITV renew their focus on the digital channels. There was some talk a while back from the new management of launching a stand alone brand which I think would be great - if done with the appropriate investment. The digital channels are effectively their future. Looking to the US, the big conglomerates now make more from their digital offerings than their broadcast networks. |
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Couple of points in reply to earlier posts.
To the poster who said it was a shame that Eric and Ernie at 6.65 million did not quite make 7 million in the officials then it might well have done had the BBC not rather bizarely screened it in HD 5 days later rather than as a simulcast. Instead they simulcast the BBC 3 movie that had already aired in HD a few days earlier. There has been a thread discussing the BBC HD scheduling since it happened in the Sky HD forum. Seems as if it maybe cost the show a 7 million rating. Also regarding This Morning. Its a little unfair (as someone did post) to suggest it is full of phone competitions. They have one phone competition that runs for a month. They do play the promo trailer several times a day but the show cannot fairly be said to be full of phone competitions at a rate of one a month (prize value over £100,000 BTW). The soap round up is also not overdone. It is a ten minute slot from a two hour show and on just twice a week. It is, as it has always been, a magazine show largely aimed at women - so has cookery and fashion slots most days as well as interviews that focus on personal life decisions. The one thing ITV do use it for is promoting their big shows. It ALWAYS uses Mondays to have the latest evictee or winner and a lengthy discussion of Britains Got Talent, X Factor, I'm A Celebrity and Dancing on Ice. It deserves any criticism you might think due for that more than any of the others. Oh, and they need better coordination with Loose Women. Coleen Nolan was on both shows today. In the Hub (the viewer interaction studio of This Mornning) as she is on Mondays. They used a viewer call suggesting that the Beckhams call their new child (if a girl) Saffron - 'because its a posh spice' - and commented on how clever it was. Then Loose Women used the same call an hour later. ![]() Finally, Phillip Schofield announced last week on air that This Morning was going HD in the summer. |
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Piers Morgan's guests for his first week on CNN have been confirmed,
Monday: Oprah Tuesday: Howard Stern Wednesay: Condoleezza Rice Thursday: Ricky Gervais Friday: George Clooney Guests lined up for the coming weeks include: Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Kid Rock, Rod Stewart, Kim and Kourtney Kardashian, Donald and Melania Trump It's a reasonably strong line up but they aren't exactly huge exclusives, these guests have given lots of interviews before. He's keeping in line with Larry King's "wide net" of guests. But I think his best bookings are Giuliani and Romney. We're heading into Presidential race and all eyes are on the Republicans (who'd have thunk it 3 years ago?!). If Piers is going to do well, I think he needs to be all over the candidates like a rash. He needs to get exclusives as often as he can. Quote:
Nonetheless it will be fascinating to see how the show performs, despite Piers suggesting (presumably playfully!) on Twitter that it will get hundreds of millions of viewers, anything over 500,000 would be sustainable and ensure that they at least hold on to Larry Kings old viewers. Obviously they will have for better but I am not getting the sense that this show will be the game changer that CNN so desperately need.
I think it's going to be a rough morning on Tuesday the 18th! I doubt his figures will stack up well on any kind of comparison basis. If Larry King was losing viewers at a ridiculous rate, I don't see Piers suddenly eliminating the slide. I think he needs to be building a bit on his lead-in, though. It's going to be a long slog for them. One show won't do it, IMO. They need the whole network to liven up a bit. __________________ 2010 Cable News Primetime Averages FOX News - 2,030,000 (502,000 A25-54) - Down 7% MSNBC - 771,000 (252,000 A25-54) - Down 5% CNN - 592,000 (173,000 A25-54) - Down 34% CNN lost more viewers than any other cable network (not just news) in the US last year. |
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just looking on BroadcastNow, what on earth does ITV mean by Quote:
ITV has detailed a major restructure of its commercial and online division as it aims to reduce its reliance on traditional television advertising and become “more client obsessed”
ok I assume the client is the advertiser, does it mean it wants to make more shows for advertisers, (as opposed to for viewers) product placement, "The Poundland Hour" and such?
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rzt, are the posted ratings the same as yours?
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just looking on BroadcastNow, what on earth does ITV mean by ok I assume the client is the advertiser, does it mean it wants to make more shows for advertisers, (as opposed to for viewers) product placement, "The Poundland Hour" and such?
despite the fact there are other social demographic groups that have disposable incomes that could/should be targetted by advertisers ultimately they do want "classy" entertainment, which is why Downtown Abbey was raved about. Sort of "I can't believe ITV could make a show like that" |
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Let's have a roundup:
Sunday 9th January 2011 BBC One 18:00 - Antiques Roadshow: 4.92m (20.1%) 19:00 - Countryfile: 6.19m (22.4%) 20:00 - Lark Rise to Candleford: 6.69m (23.7%) * series 3 average: 6.1m (21.8%) 21:00 - Zen: 4.62m (18.1%) 22:30 - BBC News: 3.7m (18.9%) BBC Two 17:45 - Darts: 2.32m (8.9%) * 15-minute peak: 3.4m (12.1%) at 20:00 21:00 - Arctic with Bruce Parry: 3.27m (12.3%) 22:00 - FILM: The Men Who Stare at Goats: 1.4m (7.7%) * tape-checked rating: 1.32m (7.3%) ITV1 13:00 - The FA Cup Live: Manchester United v Liverpool: 5.9m (39.8%) * 15-minute peak: 7.5m (46.6%) at 15:00 * match average: 6.7m 18:30 - Dancing on Ice: 9.32m (34.0%) * 5-minute peak: 10.73m (37.4%) at 19:55 * 15-minute peak: 10.37m (36.3%) at 19:45 20:30 - Wild at Heart: 7.89m (29.0%) * tape-checked rating: 7.48m (28.8%) 21:30 - Dancing on Ice: 7.43m (28.8%) 22:15 - That Sunday Night Show: 3.2m (15.6%) * 22:15 to 22:40: 3.38m (16.1%) * DS reports 3.15m (15.0%), not sure which is correct Channel 4 11:35 - 4music Meets... Glee: 237,000 17:35 - FILM: Angus, Thongs and Perfect Snogging: 1.12m (4.6%) * +1: 100,000 20:00 - Dispatches: 760,000 (2.7%) * +1: 59,000 21:00 - FILM: Run Fatboy Run: 1.22m (5.0%) * +1: 170,600 (1.0%) Five 15:25 - FILM: The Princess Bride: 924,000 17:20 - FILM: Dr Dolittle 2: 1.1m (4.6%) 19:05 - FILM: Charlie's Angels: 942,000 (3.3%) 21:00 - FILM: The Long Kiss Goodnight: 933,000 (4.1%) * note - slightly different to Mike's ratings, the above are tape-checked, but make no difference to the rating to 1.d.p. Sky1 18:00 - Got to Dance: 866,000 (3.5%) 19:00 - Got to Dance: 724,000 (2.6%) Sources: Digital Spy, Broadcast, Media Guardian, Attentional, Mike Teevee. All ratings include HD where necessary. |
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Good night for ITV1, BBC1 and Channel 5. Not only is that Dancing on Ice's highest launch, but the share is a lot better than last year where it seemed to benefit from the weather if little else. I do have the impression that Dancing on Ice seems to start better (share as well as ratings) if Strictly has a good series before it. Not sure how much of an urban myth I'm creating here!
Antiques Roadshow was dented by the earlier slot but Lark Rise improved on the last series average which is all that can be asked. Considering the increased opposition, Zen did well not to lose any more viewers. Countryfile is as consistent as ever. The films really do a good job for Channel 5. Dispatches weakens Channel 4 but it serves their PSB remit. The darts pulled in a good figure for BBC2, as did Artic with Bruce Parry which did very well. |
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The producers of The Million Pound Drop are looking for teams of FOUR friends, colleagues or family members to take part in... an exciting new gameshow pilot! Great, yet another gameshow.
Do you have a team who can answer general knowledge questions to try and win some serious cash? If you’re based in London or the South East and are up to the challenge then email newquiz@endemoluk.com ASAP for an application form now! Applications must be in by Friday 28th January 2011 or may not be considered. Applicants must be resident in the UK and over 18 years old. |
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I think he just needs to do what he does on Life Stories - get exclusives from the guests (even if the guests themselves do lots of promo tours). He needs quotes that he can use to promote the interviews. What I don't think he can do is have a "Life Stories" format every night. That doesn't appear to be the plan because I don't see Ricky Gervais doing that kind of interview.
He's keeping in line with Larry King's "wide net" of guests. But I think his best bookings are Giuliani and Romney. We're heading into Presidential race and all eyes are on the Republicans (who'd have thunk it 3 years ago?!). If Piers is going to do well, I think he needs to be all over the candidates like a rash. He needs to get exclusives as often as he can. I think it's going to be a rough morning on Tuesday the 18th! I doubt his figures will stack up well on any kind of comparison basis. If Larry King was losing viewers at a ridiculous rate, I don't see Piers suddenly eliminating the slide. I think he needs to be building a bit on his lead-in, though. It's going to be a long slog for them. One show won't do it, IMO. They need the whole network to liven up a bit. __________________ 2010 Cable News Primetime Averages FOX News - 2,030,000 (502,000 A25-54) - Down 7% MSNBC - 771,000 (252,000 A25-54) - Down 5% CNN - 592,000 (173,000 A25-54) - Down 34% CNN lost more viewers than any other cable network (not just news) in the US last year. |
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So is Piers Morgan Tonight not going to be like Larry King - a mix of interviews with celebs and / or news. I can't imagine Piers anchoring an hour edition if he is hosting PMT live if news breaks, as Larry King use to do. Should have just called it CNN Life Stories
I guess the exact format will become clear when it starts. |
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The following's just popped up on The Million Pound Drop Live's official Facebook page:
Great, yet another gameshow.
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Good night for ITV1, BBC1 and Channel 5.
The films really do a good job for Channel 5. Quote:
He's definitely going to be doing breaking news. Some of the interviews (such as the Oprah one) are going to be pre-recorded so they'll just cut away and presumably finish it off another night.
I guess the exact format will become clear when it starts. Piers Morgan is more likely to do breaking news if either his show is live that night, or the news breaks a few hours earlier so he has time to get a studio |
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The films did OK, but C5 were below a million after 7pm. IMO that isn't a good night for them
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Couple of points in reply to earlier posts.
To the poster who said it was a shame that Eric and Ernie at 6.65 million did not quite make 7 million in the officials then it might well have done had the BBC not rather bizarely screened it in HD 5 days later rather than as a simulcast. Instead they simulcast the BBC 3 movie that had already aired in HD a few days earlier. There has been a thread discussing the BBC HD scheduling since it happened in the Sky HD forum. Seems as if it maybe cost the show a 7 million rating. Some people in that forum get a little too worked up over HD ratings, anyway. |
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Let's have a roundup:
Sunday 9th January 2011 BBC One 18:00 - Antiques Roadshow: 4.92m (20.1%) 19:00 - Countryfile: 6.19m (22.4%) 20:00 - Lark Rise to Candleford: 6.69m (23.7%) * series 3 average: 6.1m (21.8%) 21:00 - Zen: 4.62m (18.1%) 22:30 - BBC News: 3.7m (18.9%) BBC Two 17:45 - Darts: 2.32m (8.9%) * 15-minute peak: 3.4m (12.1%) at 20:00 21:00 - Arctic with Bruce Parry: 3.27m (12.3%) 22:00 - FILM: The Men Who Stare at Goats: 1.4m (7.7%) * tape-checked rating: 1.32m (7.3%) ITV1 13:00 - The FA Cup Live: Manchester United v Liverpool: 5.9m (39.8%) * 15-minute peak: 7.5m (46.6%) at 15:00 * match average: 6.7m 18:30 - Dancing on Ice: 9.32m (34.0%) * 5-minute peak: 10.73m (37.4%) at 19:55 * 15-minute peak: 10.37m (36.3%) at 19:45 20:30 - Wild at Heart: 7.89m (29.0%) * tape-checked rating: 7.48m (28.8%) 21:30 - Dancing on Ice: 7.43m (28.8%) 22:15 - That Sunday Night Show: 3.2m (15.6%) * 22:15 to 22:40: 3.38m (16.1%) * DS reports 3.15m (15.0%), not sure which is correct Channel 4 11:35 - 4music Meets... Glee: 237,000 17:35 - FILM: Angus, Thongs and Perfect Snogging: 1.12m (4.6%) * +1: 100,000 20:00 - Dispatches: 760,000 (2.7%) * +1: 59,000 21:00 - FILM: Run Fatboy Run: 1.22m (5.0%) * +1: 170,600 (1.0%) Five 15:25 - FILM: The Princess Bride: 924,000 17:20 - FILM: Dr Dolittle 2: 1.1m (4.6%) 19:05 - FILM: Charlie's Angels: 942,000 (3.3%) 21:00 - FILM: The Long Kiss Goodnight: 933,000 (4.1%) * note - slightly different to Mike's ratings, the above are tape-checked, but make no difference to the rating to 1.d.p. Sky1 18:00 - Got to Dance: 866,000 (3.5%) 19:00 - Got to Dance: 724,000 (2.6%) Sources: Digital Spy, Broadcast, Media Guardian, Attentional, Mike Teevee. All ratings include HD where necessary. |
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Antiques Roadshow was a repeat. Idealy Countryfile and AR should swap imo. Why do the BBC put odd repeats on like this-especially on DOI launch night.?
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Antiques Roadshow was a repeat. Idealy Countryfile and AR should swap imo. Why do the BBC put odd repeats on like this-especially on DOI launch night.?
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I wouldn't swap Antiques Roadshow and Countryfile if Antiques Roadshow was a repeat. Give the new show a later slot.
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I'm thinking they might show six weeks of repeats, then restart new editions at 8pm after the short series of Larkrise.
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No. The ratings for simulcasts between BBC Two and BBC HD are not added together in the official ratings. And, if the show had been simulcast on BBC HD, it would probably have taken viewers away from the BBC Two screening, resulting in a lower official figure.
Some people in that forum get a little too worked up over HD ratings, anyway. That said, I do think if you've got a superior version of the programme to show it makes little sense to keep it on the shelf for another week. It's odd when the BBC seems quite HD obsessed at the moment. Every link is "and now on BBC One and BBC One HD." Sky go one step further of course. Fearne Cotton would welcome viewers back to "Sky1 HD" on ill-fated talent show Must Be The Music. |
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18:00 - Antiques Roadshow: 4.92m (20.1%) 19:00 - Countryfile: 6.19m (22.4%) 20:00 - Lark Rise to Candleford: 6.69m (23.7%) * series 3 average: 6.1m (21.8%) 21:00 - Zen: 4.62m (18.1%) Quote:
13:00 - The FA Cup Live: Manchester United v Liverpool: 5.9m (39.8%) I think that's the first really good FA Cup rating for ITV since they got the contract. Obviously Man Utd v Liverpool was always going to be a big ratings draw, especially with the new manager coming in, but those ratings surpassed my expectations, especially the overall average which includes about 75 mins of pre/post match talk when viewers usually switch off in large numbers. I was basing my expectations on the previous FA Cup meeting between the two sides which averaged 5.6m in 2006 when it aired on BBC1 in a similar Sunday afternoon slot.* 15-minute peak: 7.5m (46.6%) at 15:00 * match average: 6.7m Quote:
20:30 - Wild at Heart: 7.89m (29.0%) DS have made a typo regarding the WaH rating. Its tape-checked rating including HD was 7.89m as according to the breakdown I have its excluding HD tape-checked averaged was 7.44m. It makes sense that an extra 450k watched on HD, which Broadcast has reported as the tape-checked average; incidentally it's the same as the full slot average to 1 d.p.* tape-checked rating: 7.48m (28.8%) I've never understood the popularity of Wild at Heart (:yawn but that's a really good rating for it - according to the overnights, it's the show's best rated series opener since 2008 (8.1m). Probably will end up as its best since 2007 once the officials are in (as timeshift is often more these days).Quote:
18:30 - Dancing on Ice: 9.32m (34.0%) Great start to the series for DOI - its most watched Sunday night launch show, and although the results show was a tad down compared to last year's, I think it's a pretty good rating considering it went into the 10pm hour when traditionally DOI's ratings fall. I'm not surprised its results show was a couple of million down from the performance show, as there's always been a drop for them, even when they used to air on Saturdays too. Also when TXF and SCD used to have results shows on the same night, they tended to rate lower than the main show (for e.g. in 2008 TXF's results shows averaged 1.3m less than the performances). I just think it's viewer fatigue and also the late start time doesn't suit a family show like DOI.* 5-minute peak: 10.73m (37.4%) at 19:55 * 15-minute peak: 10.37m (36.3%) at 19:45 21:30 - Dancing on Ice: 7.43m (28.8%) Quote:
22:15 - That Sunday Night Show: 3.2m (15.6%) Another mistake from DS: 3.15m was the tape-checked rating excluding HD, so including HD 3.38m looks correct. * 22:15 to 22:40: 3.38m (16.1%) * DS reports 3.15m (15.0%), not sure which is correct Quote:
Sky1 Pretty good ratings for GTD bearing in mind that DOI was airing at the same time. I would've thought there's a fair number of viewers who watch both shows so over 700k is a great result for Sky1.
18:00 - Got to Dance: 866,000 (3.5%) 19:00 - Got to Dance: 724,000 (2.6%) |
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That seems peculiar to me, they make about 30 AR-surely they should be used in the depths of the winter season.
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I doubt his figures will stack up well on any kind of comparison basis. If Larry King was losing viewers at a ridiculous rate, I don't see Piers suddenly eliminating the slide. I think he needs to be building a bit on his lead-in, though. 