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The Ratings Thread (Part 16)
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C14E
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Thats damn close to Hannity when you add up the two...

I suppose my theory would be that Piers' interview-heavy sort of show is better suited to the later hours. People are more likely to chose to watch a live broadcast where events are unfolding all the time in the earlier hour. Maddow and Hannity shouting at each other makes it all feel quite urgent. Piers' show is less time sensitive, and the tone probably suits calmer viewing at night. When he's interviewing Oprah or Stern or whatever its not exactly time sensitive. Not that this really explains the last few nights when Piers has been live…

(Alternatively, of course, it could just be the West Coast thing you've just pointed out. )

In any case, the midnight numbers have to be a big feather for Piers at the moment, and I imagine CNN will be trumpeting those to the rest of the media that seems quite keen to label him a failure.”

I think people just got a bit over excited by the Kardashian rating. While he was undoubtedly trending down, that was a sudden drop. But I get the distinct impression that parts of the British media are desperate for him to fail!

He's doing his first live interview with a studio audience next week. The guest is Donald Trump - looks like he's going to focus on more political issues including the persistent (though unlikely) rumours of him running for President.
rzt
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Idol goes out live on the East Coast at 8pm and the central timezone at 7pm (Central primetime is 7-10pm). It's then on tape-delay for the rest of the country at 8pm local time.”

Does that happen even for the final? With social media these days, that must be very spoilery in terms of the results!

I'm guessing NFL is shown live everywhere at the same time, right ? But what would happen if on the East Coast the NFL game is 5-8pm and something like The Simpsons at 8pm... on the West Coast, I'm guessing the match would be shown at 2-5pm but then is The Simpsons shown directly afterwards or is there then filler or news in the middle for 3 hours?
MrBing
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Alright skew for Marchlands; although only narrowly won in the younger demos.

Wouldn't be surprised if Embarrassing Bodies is near 4m tonight.”

I thought it was 4.1m last week?
D.M.N.
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by MrBing:
“I thought it was 4.1m last week?”

It was, including +1.
C14E
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Does that happen even for the final? With social media these days, that must be very spoilery in terms of the results!”

Even for the final.

Ryan Seacrest put his foot in it last year when he tweeted the result of one of the "live" shows to his 3m followers - just as he finished doing the show live and 3 hours before half the country was due to hear the result!

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“I'm guessing NFL is shown live everywhere at the same time, right ? But what would happen if on the East Coast the NFL game is 5-8pm and something like The Simpsons at 8pm... on the West Coast, I'm guessing the match would be shown at 2-5pm but then is The Simpsons shown directly afterwards or is there then filler or news in the middle for 3 hours?”

NFL is live. So on Sunday, while Glee will air at around 10.30pm on the East Coast after The Superbowl, it'll be 9.30pm central, 8.30pm mountain and 7.30pm Pacific (and God knows what time in Alaska and Hawaii!).

Just looking at some FOX schedules just now and it seems the local stations fill in the gaps after that with their own repeats.
sn_22
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Does that happen even for the final? With social media these days, that must be very spoilery in terms of the results!”

Living on the West Coast must be a bloody nightmare to be honest. Just one of those quirks of American TV. NBC tape delay the blinking Olympics! Seriously, you couldn't watch Usain Bolt's 100m in Beijing on US TV until about 8 hours later. It's just unthinkable to us in this country.
rzt
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Even for the final.

Ryan Seacrest put his foot in it last year when he tweeted the result of one of the "live" shows to his 3m followers - just as he finished doing the show live and 3 hours before half the country was due to hear the result! ”

Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Living on the West Coast must be a bloody nightmare to be honest. Just one of those quirks of American TV. NBC tape delay the blinking Olympics! Seriously, you couldn't watch Usain Bolt's 100m in Beijing on US TV until about 8 hours later. It's just unthinkable to us in this country.”

As sn_22 says, something like that would be a nightmare over here! Not getting to see the main Olympics event live on TV is ridiculous. I suppose the Americans are used to it though so it might not be such a big deal to them?

Originally Posted by C14E:
“NFL is live. So on Sunday, while Glee will air at around 10.30pm on the East Coast after The Superbowl, it'll be 9.30pm central, 8.30pm mountain and 7.30pm Pacific (and God knows what time in Alaska and Hawaii!).

Just looking at some FOX schedules just now and it seems the local stations fill in the gaps after that with their own repeats.”

Ah right. Must be difficult compiling the ratings some days when they've got to take time zones into account and what programme is shown live and what's not. Glad we don't have that problem over here .
C14E
04-02-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“As sn_22 says, something like that would be a nightmare over here! Not getting to see the main Olympics event live on TV is ridiculous. I suppose the Americans are used to it though so it might not be such a big deal to them?”

I think it's changing a bit. I know some of the award shows are now live across the country and I think there is some talk about changing the way the Olympics are broadcast. In 2008 they got some of their key events (ladies gymnastics and mens swimming) early in Beijing so they'd be live in US primetime which won't be so easy for 2012 (when US primetime will be the middle of the night here).

On the other hand, if I lived in California, I'd sell the TV and buy a jet-ski!
fodg09
04-02-2011
Sky News and TV3 will hold a joint 5-way leaders debate on February 18th in the run up to the Irish General Election.
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“A five-way debate involving the leaders of the three main parties plus the Greens and Sinn Féin will take place on February 18th, the Friday before polling day. This debate is being organised jointly by TV3 and Sky News and will be moderated by Ursula Halligan of TV3 and Adam Boulton of Sky.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...288985770.html

TV3 will hold there own 3 way debate this Tuesday (although one of the 3 main party leaders has said he wont show up).
Jonwo
04-02-2011
Due to the costs of the Olympics, NBC want the big events in primetime hence why there is a tape delay and they asked the IOC to scheduled events like the swimming moved to the morning Beijing time so that it could be shown live in America. Doubt that will happen for the 2012 Olympics.

Time zones must be the reason why results aren't shown on the same night in America. It has been successful for them to adopt for The X Factor and SCD.

EDIT: C14E beat me to it.
Fudd
04-02-2011
Good figure for Marchlands but it'll probably get below 6m next week and the demos may skew older in the process. The ITV soaps seem low but EastEnders did ok.
mlt11
05-02-2011
Bear in mind that the Olympics lasts 16 days and 6 of those days are weekends.

A lot of the biggest events are at the weekend - eg Mens 100m.

So the US could show quite a bit live from London. I could easily see the Mens 100m Final on Sunday at say 10.30pm UK time = 5.30pm Eastern and 2.30pm Pacific.

Bearing in mind CBS and Fox show live NFL every Sunday from 1pm to 7pm ET then it's possible NBC would show a big Olympic Final live at 5.30pm ET.

I can see the IOC being asked to "edge back" events as late as possible - I imagine lots of big athletics finals will be in the hour from 10pm to 11pm - ie later than ideal for the UK but still just about acceptable. Same with the swimming.
Jonwo
05-02-2011
The Olympics will be huge from a ratings POV and I expect wall to wall coverage but I'm not sure the BBC would have the swimming or athletics at 10pm as it would mean pushing back the news.
mlt11
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The Olympics will be huge from a ratings POV and I expect wall to wall coverage but I'm not sure the BBC would have the swimming or athletics at 10pm as it would mean pushing back the news.”

It won't be up to the BBC.

The IOC call the shots and they will be influenced by NBC.

Remember they held all the swimming finals in the morning in Beijing to suit NBC. If they are willing to make such an extraordinary change as that then they will certainly be willing to move athletics finals back a bit in London - as long as the time is still just about acceptable. I'd imagine an 11pm cut-off.
RobbieSykes123
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“I wonder how long the meeting to decide on the main ITV cup tie actually lasts. Does someone just say "Man Utd" and then they all go down the pub?”

In fairness, ITV Sport's decision makers are probably metropolitan media types living out in the Home Counties. Hence they will probably also be committed Man Utd fans.

C14E
05-02-2011
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Georged123
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The Olympics will be huge from a ratings POV and I expect wall to wall coverage but I'm not sure the BBC would have the swimming or athletics at 10pm as it would mean pushing back the news.”

I doubt the news will be on at 10pm many nights. I would expect the coverage to carry on past 10pm and the news will just get shown as soon as the coverage has ended on BBC1.

Come to think of it, the schedules for the Olympics are going to be fascinating. I would expect BBC1 to just become the Olympics channel with a few breask for the news. But what happens to Eastenders? Do they show it on BBC1, shunt it on BBC2 or heaven forbi not air it for 2 weeks?

Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“In fairness, ITV Sport's decision makers are probably metropolitan media types living out in the Home Counties. Hence they will probably also be committed Man Utd fans.

”

Reminds of the joke about Man Utd playing Chelsea and the race between the fans of both teams to see who can get back to London first.
ftv
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Due to the costs of the Olympics, NBC want the big events in primetime hence why there is a tape delay and they asked the IOC to scheduled events like the swimming moved to the morning Beijing time so that it could be shown live in America. Doubt that will happen for the 2012 Olympics.

Time zones must be the reason why results aren't shown on the same night in America. It has been successful for them to adopt for The X Factor and SCD.

EDIT: C14E beat me to it. ”

The Oscars are shown live across the US so start at about 3 pm on the west coast with the arrivals to get into prime time in New York.Some of the west coast stations now show the evening news programmes live at 3.30 pm local as they go out in New York but up-date during their own local news shows later.Canada has five time zones and CBC used to do their national news live five times. The old Soviet Union had nine time zones
cylon6
05-02-2011
An 8.2 million peak for the rugby on BBC1 last night apparently.
D.M.N.
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“An 8.2 million peak for the rugby on BBC1 last night apparently.”



(edit, peak comes from Head of Communications for BBC TV, so appears to be true)
RobbieSykes123
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“An 8.2 million peak for the rugby on BBC1 last night apparently.”

No surprise really, even if only because of people tuning in for EastEnders.

I expected an absolute peak of around 8.5m+ at some point between 8-8.30pm, which is presumably where it happened.

I guess the full 7.30-10pm coverage will have been about 5m?
Charnham
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“No surprise really, even if only because of people tuning in for EastEnders.

I expected an absolute peak of around 8.5m+ at some point between 8-8.30pm, which is presumably where it happened.

I guess the full 7.30-10pm coverage will have been about 5m?”

so its not at all possible those poeple were interested in the advertised program?
RobbieSykes123
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“so its not at all possible those poeple were interested in the advertised program?”

That's not what I said. Of course people tuned in for the rugby. I was one of them.

But you'd expect people to have tuned to BBC1 by habit when Corrie #1 finished, and kept the match on even when they realised EE wasn't on.

Then again, maybe it peaked when Comedy Flops was on?

(Though I'd expect that to have got a boost last night when BBC1's post-match analysis slumped at 9.40pm)
Charnham
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“That's not what I said. Of course people tuned in for the rugby. I was one of them.

But you'd expect people to have tuned to BBC1 by habit when Corrie #1 finished, and kept the match on even when they realised EE wasn't on.”

people know EE was not going to be on today, the Wednesday ratings were good.
rzt
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Then again, maybe it peaked when Comedy Flops was on?”

Yes, it peaked at 21:30. Average for rugby was 6.6m.
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