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THANK YOU!
The point is that if ITV had bothered to give it a decent slot, we all know it would have performed better with a possible 4m (maybe even 5 at the most). I gotta say though i think Jackie looks quite hot this series! Wait till you see the boxing episode and you'll know what i mean! ![]() It did't, it got 2.6million 10% audience share the worst figures by a country mile that a new network Taggart has had in 28 years. |
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Which is a shame because Taggart was actually very good....I watched it because I missed the first part of Silent Witness the previous night.
I also had the misfortune to watch Trevor McDonald's Secret Med, which was pants. |
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I think the test is very simple.
If ITV1+1 was called "ITV5", would anyone think of lumping together the ITV1 showing of Taggart and the ITV5 showing an hour later? No. The fact it's called ITV1+1 makes no difference. It's a repeat showing on a different channel. So ITV1's first showing of Taggart attracted 2.6m viewers plus whatever the ITV1HD simulcast got (because simulcasting in a different broadcast format is not repeat viewing. You can only watch one channel at any given time). And then ITV1+1's repeat showing of Taggart attracted 200k viewers. It does not follow that ITV1 got 2.8m (+HD) for Taggart. Doing that may count some people twice, and casuals who caught the repeat and didn't consciously choose to timeshift. Phew... I think +1 figures should always be published separately that way everyone wins. Those that want to add the figures together can easily do so, and those that don't, won't. Simple. Surely whichever way you side with +1 this way everyone is happy. |
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Which is a shame because Taggart was actually very good....I watched it because I missed the first part of Silent Witness the previous night.
I also had the misfortune to watch Trevor McDonald's Secret Med, which was pants. |
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Perhaps Taggart's missing 2m viewers were watching later on ITV1+1?
![]() If 2.7m is a benchmark for what ITV1 can expect for its 9pm offerings in the ITV1+1 era, then I'm all for it... ![]() I totally don't understand your love affair with a television channel, seems a bit of a tragic thing to be a fan of. "I'm a huge fan of BBC1" Who cares?? In this day and age, any scripted drama should be supported because of the struggle for drama to get funding |
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Why does it bring you such joy to see a drama do badly?
I totally don't understand your love affair with a television channel, seems a bit of a tragic thing to be a fan of. "I'm a huge fan of BBC1" Who cares?? In this day and age, any scripted drama should be supported because of the struggle for drama to get funding |
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I can't find the EE ratings on that link. How come this site gets overnights for BBC One HD, when no one else seems to?
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Most people can't see past the fact that you've got an ulterior motive (where you want it to be clearly the lowest possible rating for ITV being compared against BBC1), if BBC1+1 was being launched would you be addressing this issue so many times?
If every TV channel (or at least the mainstream 5) had a +1 channel, then conceivably I could see a case for collating and it would then be a like for like comparison. But it still could make it hard to find out who actually watched the all-important "first view", and would lump in casuals and second-viewers. |
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+1 Channels really do open a can of worms when it comes to reporting figures. On the one hand you have the fact that if you lump the figures together then you are falsely stating the amount of people who were watching the programme at that time...
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Well put. I think even the ITV fans will struggle to disagree with that.
In regard to what Robbie has said about some people watching programmes twice: yes there probably are some people that do that but it's most likely a very small minority. For e.g. of Taggart's 200k audience, I really doubt anymore than 10k watched it having seen the 9pm showing. It's such a insignificant number that once the ratings are rounded to 1.dp. or even 2d.p sometimes, it won't make any difference. But it's worth noting at this point that the BBC will be adding up repeat ratings to calculate their Live+7 ratings. I am completely in favour of them doing that but it's inevitable that some 'second-time' viewers will be included in those figures. It doesn't matter though as it's probably such an insignificant number that the BBC feels it's better to include those repeat showings to give a more accurate representation of how many people watched a particular programme across the day/week. I've also checked on the BARB website regarding the following issue and can't find an answer: if someone watches a show live (whilst recording it), and then watches the same show once again on a PVR four days later, do they get counted as 1 or 2 people in the official figures? If they're counted as 2 people, essentially this problem of repeat viewers being counted in the ratings has been going on for a long time anyway. But if someone does know the answer (and can provide a link to the BARB website showing where it's stated) it would be appreciated. Also, like I've said previously, BBC1 programmes will probably be a beneficiary ratings-wise from the launch of ITV1+1. I'll give yesterday's example (and it gets quite complicated here so bear with me): if there had been no ITV1+1, some Silent Witness viewers (about 100k I think) would've probably watched Taggart at 9pm. So instead of having an overnight rating of 6.8m, SW could well have had 6.7m, and Taggart would've had 2.7m instead of 2.6m. Now, if the ITV1+1 viewers are completely ignored, it's advantageous to BBC1 (in the ratings "battle" which incidentally some people can take too seriously on here) because it makes the gap between the two channels look bigger than it actually is: BBC1's figure (6.8m) would be 0.1m up on what it'd have been if ITV1+1 had not been broadcasting, ITV1's would be 0.1m down (2.6m) compared to if there had been no ITV1+1 - so a gap of 0.2m in favour of BBC1 would be formed simply due to the launch of ITV1+1. On the other hand, if you were to include ITV1+1: BBC1's figure (6.8m) would be 0.1m up, ITV1's would be 0.1m up (2.8m) - so they're still on a "level pegging" so to speak. It's really quite important bearing that in mind: ITV might be a beneficiary of the ITV1+1 launch but so will some of the other terrestrial channels which don't offer a +1 service. Despite what I've said in the previous paragraph, that does not mean I'll lump in the ratings for ITV1+1 when reporting the overnight ratings. I'll try to do exactly what I've done with C4 in the past which is to mention them separately, for e.g.: "Big Brother: 2.5m, +1: 200k". On some occasions though, like on Tuesdays and Thursdays, they might be combined when those long lists are posted as that's what the original source says - I can't do anything about that. But for the official series averages (such as when I post those drama or reality TV series averages), just like what I've done in the past for C4, I'll be including ITV1+1. For e.g. with Big Brother I've always included C4+1 so I've said BB9 as a series average had 3.9m (inc. +1) and I've always said that even though without +1 it had 3.6m. With ITV1, I'll do the same thing. At the end of the day, I believe for series averages, including +1 will give a more accurate impression of how many people watched a show during a day/week than if +1 isn't included. And I think it's fair to do it because as I've said earlier on, some of the non +1 terrestrial channels are going to benefit more than anything from ITV1+1 being in place. |
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CSI got dented by the competition especially from Silent Witness and Taggart, it still broke 2m but I imagine Five wanted more. I still think they should move it and let The Mentalist, NCIS or a new US drama take the Tuesday slot. I wonder if viewers would accept a drama other than a CSI original or Miami in that slot?
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Why does it bring you such joy to see a drama do badly?
I totally don't understand your love affair with a television channel, seems a bit of a tragic thing to be a fan of. "I'm a huge fan of BBC1" Who cares?? |
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Crazy scheduling!! I've already been on to Danielle Ngler about it.
BTW if BARB use 5,000 homes, how can they get a figure as low as 1,000 viewers? |
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Silly boy.
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I never for once thought people who watched every week would stop because of the bad press. I just wish they had stuck with some of the original scripts. OK, wrap up this baby storyline by April but tonight several funeral scenes were clearly cut and replaced by a couple of utterly embarrassing comedy "sketches" between Jodie and Poppy that have to be seen to be believed! It was like something out of Catherine Tate shoehorned into the middle. Once you have gone this far with the story at least show the funeral but it seems the minority have won leaving the episodes all over the place
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Just had a good chuckle at the fact that at 7pm ITV1+1 airs "Meridian Tonight" a local news programme for the south-east. Absolutely ludicrous that we get this programme as far north-west as Northampton. The figures must be extremely low in what is quite a prime slot.
Another good reason not to automatically bundle the figures together- sometimes it doesn't even show the same programmes as your regional variant of ITV1. |
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Silly boy.
Obviously people have their preferences of channels but you take it to a completely different level to any other person on here or anyone I've ever met. By all means continue posting as you've done as it entertains some readers, but I just think it's a bit weird that you (or GeorgeS for that matter) can get so so supportive of a television channel, of all things. I know some people who work at the BBC and none of them are anywhere near as defensive or obsessed about the BBC as you. But anyway, I thought chris_bauer made a particularly good point that in this day and age we should be hoping that any drama on any channel should be rating well as otherwise there'll be less and less on TV. |
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Taggart tanked really badly - must be its worst rated episode ever for a new showing (for most of the UK). It was terrible scheduling by ITV though to put it up against the 2nd part of Silent Witness which had locked in ~7m. It's as if ITV wants to get rid of it or deliberately wants ratings to go so low that they want to force STV to cough up all the costs of making another series.
I feel a bit sorry for the show, even though I personally think it relies too much on violence because the stories are so weak. |
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I'm not an ITV "fan" (I like some of their shows just like how I like shows on other channels) and Robbie does bring up fair points, but there's the other side of the story too. As Jason Deans said in his MG article, there's no right or wrong way and no universally accepted method of doing it. Some sources will report it one way and others will do it another way. People will have to accept that and not throw toys of their pram. There's no point saying this thread is a "farce" or "insane" (two words which have been used already) just because the ratings which could be posted here from a source (like Digital-i's blogs for e.g) might include or exclude (depending on your viewpoint) ITV1+1 in with the ITV1 figures.
One thing I do disagree with you is that this thread has been insane for quite a while.
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Could Taggart continue without ITV funding? I reckon once ITV pull the plug, STV will have no choice but to do the same unless UKTV or BBC Worldwide cough up any gaps in funding.
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ok so there maybe issues about ITV Regioanl News, but why do we suddenly have something against combinging the figures of +1 channels?
I think the important point is that combining the figures gives a truer refleciton of how often the program and the ads in it, are seen We have had no problem with them up until today. |
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I thought the Poppy scenes might have been added, but she is in the Radio Times cast list for this week's episodes, and that was printed two weeks ago.
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I'm hearing strong rumours that Live From Studio Five will be replaced with a new show at 6:30 in mid February.
I wonder what it will be? |
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Even more irritatingly they broadcast at 10pm on BBC HD alongside the SD showing on BBC3.
![]() Ideally everything could be simulcast, but they'd need more HD channels for that. EastEnders has taken simulcast priority because BBC Two and BBC Four don't regularly screen stuff with HD simulcast potential at 10pm. |
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Could Taggart continue without ITV funding? I reckon once ITV pull the plug, STV will have no choice but to do the same unless UKTV or BBC Worldwide cough up any gaps in funding.
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