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Old 10-01-2011, 18:36
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Re Man U v Liverpool-the Dalglish appointment on the back of a 24 year old rivalry was like gold dust for that transmission.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:38
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Why do we always get a new thread after some interesting ratings. Some great figures for ITV yesterday - a day when pretty much nothing flopped for them. And although I'm not a fan of some of the changes this year, I hope Dancing on Ice goes from strength to strength just to shut up the BBC brigade around here. The last couple of pages in the last thread show snobbery is alive and kicking!

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A couple of changes at the top for the digital channels lately. Angela Jain is to leave E4. She commissioned Misfits, Dead Set, The Inbetweeners and Hollyoaks Later as well as overseeing the complete re-casting of Skins series 3 and the acquisition of Glee. She hasn't actually been running E4 for the past year (on maternity leave) but she won't be coming back. She's apparently one of the contenders for the job running ITV's multi-channels when Zai Bennett leaves.

The fact that E4 won't have its own controller is a bad sign, IMO (especially as it will share a "channel manager" with More4). A few years ago they were really pushing original UK scripted shows but they seem to have cooled off and I worry for Skins this year. I've watched since the start but I'm not really sure I can be bothered with a 3rd set of characters.
Agree it's a shame E4 is losing a dedicated controller, but hopefully More4 might benefit from someone looking at the bigger picture. Not worried about homegrown drama on E4 though - one of the reasons they've cooled off lately is they have successful returning franchises, so haven't needed to go looking for more. I think they've got something new for the Spring/Summer too this year - think it's that show about Brits supervising a Fat Camp in the US.


Will be interesting to see how Shameless does this week, especially tonight out of it's usual Tuesday slot. Also no E4 First Look all week, so that should bump ratings a bit.

And could The Biggest Loser really help Glee, I'll play it safe and go 1.5m, but it could easily get it's highest figure ever tonight - followed by a big drop for Tool Academy. E4 should have delayed that a week so it wasn't up against the premiere of Shameless.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:39
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I have its excluding HD tape-checked averaged was 7.44m.

Another mistake from DS: 3.15m was the tape-checked rating excluding HD, so including HD 3.38m looks correct.
Would be nice if they were consistent and included HD all the time. Not exactly helpful.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:40
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Re Man U v Liverpool-the Dalglish appointment on the back of a 24 year old rivalry was like gold dust for that transmission.
Absolutely. It was the dream scenario for them as it was all over the news in the run up.

Dalglish coming back provided a great story and set the tone for ITV's coverage.

The viewers responded and bingo-- a great result. Unfortunately for ITV dream ties like this one are a rarity in the FA Cup competition.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:46
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Looking at the Broadcatsing forum it appears as though the FA Cup replay which will be shown by ITV is Leeds United v Arsenal - no surprises there.

ESPN have the following to choose from:

Manchester City v Leicester City
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Doncaster Rovers
Cardiff City v Stoke City

And Derby County v Crawley Town if that ends in a draw tonight. Not sure whether they'd go for Manchester City's match or the Cardiff City game for the shock result.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:52
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They might as well go for the Man City one and follow it through to its conclusion. (having shown the first part Sunday night)
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:53
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I see ITV and Five are too ashamed to post thier viewing figures for New Year Week on BARB
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:55
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Really good night - their most impressive FA Cup football rating I can remember. Two huge teams and lots of additional circumstances always made that likely, I suppose. Dancing on Ice did terrifically on premiere, but we'll have to wait and see whether this series follows last years trend or not. Wild at Heart did great, as we've come to expect. I'd love to see how it would cope outside the DOI embrace though - it feels like a wasted opportunity for something new.

Lark Rise was a tad down from last year's series opener but a very strong rating for it nevertheless - its joint 2nd best ever and although I don't watch it, I think it's a bit harsh on its fans that this series is likely to be its last given how well it's been rating over the last 12 months.
From the briefest of forays into the Lark Rise thread, it seems like the issue is on the production side. The main writer, Bill Gallagher, has said he doesn't want to do any more and everyone seems a bit reluctant to continue without him.

In ratings terms, I'm sure the BBC would be delighted to have it continue, but I suppose they might decide its a good opportunity to end it and save some money. A full series of Upstairs Downstairs could be a big candidate for spring 2012 too - and though that would air at 9, they probably wouldn't want LRTC on air at the same time.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:57
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I see ITV and Five are too ashamed to post thier viewing figures for New Year Week on BARB
im not sure that is how it works, im sure the advertisers would think it very odd they didnt report in.
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Old 10-01-2011, 18:58
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I see ITV and Five are too ashamed to post thier viewing figures for New Year Week on BARB
Well, you are guessing that is the reason. The truth is we don't know why the data is missing, but it will likely appear later through BARB amendments.

I'm not going to lie, C5 got a mauling (only 1.1 share points ahead of Sky Sports 1) but that week is always a struggle for them every single year and it was up on the equivalent week in 2009/10. I don't see the big deal.
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:10
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I love this place, so much testosterone around the ratings. And well, once it starts it just doesnt stop flowing
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:11
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:19
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With all the officials in, here's the Top 20 Official Ratings for 2010:

01 - 17.71m - THE X FACTOR (12/12/10) - ITV1/HD
02 - 16.41m - EASTENDERS (19/02/10) - BBC1
03 - 14.75m - CORONATION STREET (06/12/10) - ITV1/HD
04 - 14.63m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V ALG (18/06/10) - ITV1/HD
05 - 14.28m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (04/12/10) - BBC1/HD

06 - 13.59m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V GER (27/06/10) - BBC1/HD
07 - 13.50m - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (05/06/10) - ITV1/HD
08 - 13.48m - I'M A CELEBRITY... GET ME OUT OF HERE! (04/12/10) - ITV1/HD
09 - 12.47m - COME FLY WITH ME (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
10 - 12.27m - DOCTOR WHO (01/01/10) - BBC1/HD

11 - 11.29m - THE ROYLE FAMILY (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
12 - 10.77m - DOWNTON ABBEY (07/11/10) - ITV1/HD
13 - 10.57m - GAVIN AND STACEY (01/01/10) - BBC1/HD
14 - 9.96m - EMMERDALE (14/01/10) - ITV1
15 - 9.82m - A TOUCH OF FROST (05/04/10) - ITV1

16 - 9.71m - BBC NEWS (18/12/10) - BBC1/HD
17 - 9.68m - THE FIRST ELECTION DEBATE (15/04/10) - ITV1
18 - 9.64m - DANCING ON ICE (10/01/10) - ITV1
19 - 9.37m - NEW YEAR LIVE (31/12/10) - BBC1/HD
20 - 9.36m - CHILDREN IN NEED (19/11/10) - BBC1/HD

Notes:
- Only one World Cup entry per channel.
- A weighted average for the full slot for the World Cup games.
- No duplicates: i.e. no BGT/DOI/IAC/SCD in there twice.
- HD audience included for all programmes airing on HD.
- Touch of Frost rating ammended so it's for the full slot, not just 68-minutes which BARB did. It would've been in 15th place anyway.
- BARB's chart on their website will be different as they won't be including HD for programmes which aired on BBC1 (before October) and ITV1.
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An equal 5/5 or 10/10 split between BBC1 and ITV1 in that Top 20. It's an impressive list with a lot of shows getting their best ratings in years (or ever): TXF, EE, Corrie, SCD, IAC, G&S to name a few. I doubt 2011 will be able to match a list with ratings as high as that!
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:22
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:35
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With all the officials in, here's the Top 20 Official Ratings for 2010:

01 - 17.71m - THE X FACTOR (12/12/10) - ITV1/HD
02 - 16.41m - EASTENDERS (19/02/10) - BBC1
03 - 14.75m - CORONATION STREET (06/12/10) - ITV1/HD
04 - 14.63m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V ALG (18/06/10) - ITV1/HD
05 - 14.28m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (04/12/10) - BBC1/HD

06 - 13.59m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V GER (27/06/10) - BBC1/HD
07 - 13.50m - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (05/06/10) - ITV1/HD
08 - 13.48m - I'M A CELEBRITY... GET ME OUT OF HERE! (04/12/10) - ITV1/HD
09 - 12.47m - COME FLY WITH ME (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
10 - 12.27m - DOCTOR WHO (01/01/10) - BBC1/HD

11 - 11.29m - THE ROYLE FAMILY (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
12 - 10.77m - DOWNTON ABBEY (07/11/10) - ITV1/HD
13 - 10.57m - GAVIN AND STACEY (01/01/10) - BBC1/HD
14 - 9.96m - EMMERDALE (14/01/10) - ITV1
15 - 9.82m - A TOUCH OF FROST (05/04/10) - ITV1

16 - 9.71m - BBC NEWS (18/12/10) - BBC1/HD
17 - 9.68m - THE FIRST ELECTION DEBATE (15/04/10) - ITV1
18 - 9.64m - DANCING ON ICE (10/01/10) - ITV1
19 - 9.37m - NEW YEAR LIVE (31/12/10) - BBC1/HD
20 - 9.36m - CHILDREN IN NEED (19/11/10) - BBC1/HD

Notes:
- Only one World Cup entry per channel.
- A weighted average for the full slot for the World Cup games.
- No duplicates: i.e. no BGT/DOI/IAC/SCD in there twice.
- HD audience included for all programmes airing on HD.
- Touch of Frost rating ammended so it's for the full slot, not just 68-minutes which BARB did. It would've been in 15th place anyway.
- BARB's chart on their website will be different as they won't be including HD for programmes which aired on BBC1 (before October) and ITV1.
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An equal 5/5 or 10/10 split between BBC1 and ITV1 in that Top 20. It's an impressive list with a lot of shows getting their best ratings in years (or ever): TXF, EE, Corrie, SCD, IAC, G&S to name a few. I doubt 2011 will be able to match a list with ratings as high as that!
Nice to see Emmerdale so high

On the other hand DOI looks very low compared to Strictly
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:37
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BBC1's overnights may be affected tonight as BBC1 Scotland are showing Scottish Cup Football from 7.30pm-9.30pm, at which point tonight's Panorama is being aired.

I'm not sure whether the Football will be more or less popular across the border than the usual schedule, but just a heads up.
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:44
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01 - 17.71m - THE X FACTOR (12/12/10) - ITV1/HD
02 - 16.41m - EASTENDERS (19/02/10) - BBC1
03 - 14.75m - CORONATION STREET (06/12/10) - ITV1/HD
04 - 14.63m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V ALG (18/06/10) - ITV1/HD
05 - 14.28m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (04/12/10) - BBC1/HD
06 - 13.59m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V GER (27/06/10) - BBC1/HD
07 - 13.50m - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (05/06/10) - ITV1/HD
08 - 13.48m - I'M A CELEBRITY... GET ME OUT OF HERE! (04/12/10) - ITV1/HD
09 - 12.47m - COME FLY WITH ME (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
10 - 12.27m - DOCTOR WHO (01/01/10) - BBC1/HD

BARB's chart on their website will be different as they won't be including HD for programmes which aired on BBC1 (before October) and ITV1.
It will look very different as it will also include duplicates:

BARB - TOP 10 (2010)

01 - 16.55m - THE X FACTOR RESULTS (12/12/10) - ITV1
02 - 16.41m - EASTENDERS (19/02/10) - BBC1
03 - 15.81m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V GER (27/06/10) - BBC1
04 - 14.28m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (04/12/10) - BBC1/HD
05 - 14.10m - CORONATION STREET (06/12/10) - ITV1
06 - 13.94m - THE X FACTOR (12/12/10) - ITV1
07 - 13.44m - WORLD CUP 2010: HOL V SPA (11/07/10) - BBC1
08 - 13.18m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V ALG (18/06/10) - ITV1
09 - 12.83m - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (05/06/10) - ITV1
10 - 12.47m - COME FLY WITH ME (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:48
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05 - 14.28m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (04/12/10) - BBC1/HD

07 - 13.50m - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (05/06/10) - ITV1/HD
08 - 13.48m - I'M A CELEBRITY... GET ME OUT OF HERE!
you know I think its going to be forgetten that Strictly outrated both BGT and Im a celeb..., in 2010.
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:55
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It will look very different as it will also include duplicates:

BARB - TOP 10 (2010)

01 - 16.55m - THE X FACTOR RESULTS (12/12/10) - ITV1
02 - 16.41m - EASTENDERS (19/02/10) - BBC1
03 - 15.81m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V GER (27/06/10) - BBC1
04 - 14.28m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (04/12/10) - BBC1/HD
05 - 14.10m - CORONATION STREET (06/12/10) - ITV1
06 - 13.94m - THE X FACTOR (12/12/10) - ITV1
07 - 13.44m - WORLD CUP 2010: HOL V SPA (11/07/10) - BBC1
08 - 13.18m - WORLD CUP 2010: ENG V ALG (18/06/10) - ITV1
09 - 12.83m - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (05/06/10) - ITV1
10 - 12.47m - COME FLY WITH ME (25/12/10) - BBC1/HD
I'm guessing that's without HD for ITV1 too.
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Old 10-01-2011, 19:57
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ABC:
7pm - America's Funniest Home Videos - 7.55m (1.8)
8pm - Extreme Makeover: Home Edition - 9.11m (2.6)
9pm - Desperate Housewives - 12.69m (3.8)
10pm - Brothers & Sisters - 8.38m (2.3)

CBS:
7pm - 60 Minutes - 10.45m (1.6)
8pm - CSI: Miami - 11.90m (2.5)
9pm - Undercover Boss - 11.60m (3.0)
10pm - Criminal Minds (R) - 7.09m (1.8)

FOX:
7pm - NFC Wildcard Over-run - 35.96m (13.0)
7.30pm - NFC Wildcard/Post-Game - 29.74m (11.0)
8pm - The Simpsons - 12.65m (5.7)
8.30pm - Bob's Burgers - 9.41m (4.5)
9pm - Family Guy - 9.29m (4.7)
9.30pm - The Cleveland Show - 7.36m (3.5)

NBC:
7pm - Dateline NBC - 3.99m (0.7)
8pm - Dateline NBC - 7.25m (1.5)
9pm - The Cape - 8.39m (2.6)

The Premieres:
FOX's new animated comedy, Bob's Burgers, got off to a strong start. But that's no surprise given the huge lead-in. Meanwhile, NBC's The Cape had a start that means it's not dead yet but given the regular drop off over the next few episodes, it's not looking too good. On the plus side, it's audience was pretty steady over the 2 hour premiere.

ABC:
Not good news here. Vs same week last year Desperate Housewives was down 19% and Brothers & Sisters was down a rather alarming 36%. B&S had a 77% retention last year, down to a weak 61% last night.

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Old 10-01-2011, 19:58
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BBC1's overnights may be affected tonight as BBC1 Scotland are showing Scottish Cup Football from 7.30pm-9.30pm, at which point tonight's Panorama is being aired.

I'm not sure whether the Football will be more or less popular across the border than the usual schedule, but just a heads up.
Depending on the teams but it is generally more popular... it is rangers v kilmarnock so it should be pretty popular! But then again I think Scots are more supportive, percentage wise, of Corrie/Emmerdale than England and Wales. I'm sure i read that somewhere....
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Old 10-01-2011, 20:00
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Strong start for Bob's Burgers.

C14E, do you know how Shameless did on cable?
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Old 10-01-2011, 20:03
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ABC Family has ordered a second season of its breakout hit, Pretty Little Liars, fresh of a big midseason premiere a week ago. It's also picking up a 4th season of Secret Life of the American Teenager, it's first success in the scripted area. Both shows were ordered by Paul Lee, who is now running ABC.

And he has been busy too. Modern Family, The Middle, Cougar Town, Grey's Anatomy, Private Practice and Castle have all been picked up for the 2011/2012 season. No surprises there.
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Old 10-01-2011, 20:09
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Strong start for Bob's Burgers.

C14E, do you know how Shameless did on cable?
Not yet - cable numbers usually appear later. But if they're good, there are sometimes press releases earlier.
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Old 10-01-2011, 20:10
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Good news obviously for those series who have been renewed by ABC, but it casts doubt on some others. I expect all their autumn premiere shows to be axed if their nearly all of their mid season programming stays above a 2.3.

Desperate Housewives not being renewed is possibly a sign that next season will be its last. Brothers and Sisters may be axed with its current ratings which aren't that good, but it may also be in a similar situation to DH with a last season next year.
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