Originally Posted by Charnham:
“are people really that botehred about HD?”
“are people really that botehred about HD?”
Only when they're paying too much money for it.
The Ratings Thread (Part 16)
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...just seen The Magicians really pulls in the 65+ as well as the 16 - 34 demo - talk about broad appeal.
The BBC will be well chuffed won't they?
The BBC will be well chuffed won't they?
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Only when they're paying too much money for it.”
“Only when they're paying too much money for it.
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HD works on programmes like Primeval filmed in the open and with effects.
If you have a choice you are always going to prefer that for a show unless you are so determined to watch anything the day it appears.
There will be a higher number of viewers of a series like Primeval to whom it being in HD or poor SD makes a difference. And if the wait is only a few weeks/months until it is on ITV HD then plenty will wait.
Of course, HD viewers are a minority at present but rising steadily. Of course, not everyone decides what to watch on the basis of it being in HD or not. But if there is a choice and not too much hardship involved in making it then with a muti channel/many things on at once world before us it will increasingly effect viewing figures whether something is on in HD when made in HD.
Not spectacularly right now, of course. But it is a factor.
the problem with the HD choice for Primeval, is that so far we dont know when the next series will be on ITV, it could be months after its aire do Watch.
Have to admit the demo breakdown for Primeval is awful. Doesn't skew old, but doesn't skew young either... somewhere in the middle. I think The Magicians takes away a small portion of 16 to 34 viewers. If we were in America and had 16 to 54 (they do it as 18 to 49 over there, so similar)...
BBC1
18:00 - Total Wipeout: 2.35m (48% of total audience)
19:00 - The Magicians: 2.64m (49%)
20:00 - Lottery: 2.16m (35%)
20:50 - Casualty: 2.24m (38%)
ITV1
19:00 - Primeval: 1.80m (51%)
20:00 - Take Me Out: 2.51m (64%)
BBC1
18:00 - Total Wipeout: 2.35m (48% of total audience)
19:00 - The Magicians: 2.64m (49%)
20:00 - Lottery: 2.16m (35%)
20:50 - Casualty: 2.24m (38%)
ITV1
19:00 - Primeval: 1.80m (51%)
20:00 - Take Me Out: 2.51m (64%)
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“HD works on programmes like Primeval filmed in the open and with effects.
If you have a choice you are always going to prefer that for a show unless you are so determined to watch anything the day it appears.
There will be a higher number of viewers of a series like Primeval to whom it being in HD or poor SD makes a difference. And if the wait is only a few weeks/months until it is on ITV HD then plenty will wait.
Of course, HD viewers are a minority at present but rising steadily. Of course, not everyone decides what to watch on the basis of it being in HD or not. But if there is a choice and not too much hardship involved in making it then with a muti channel/many things on at once world before us it will increasingly effect viewing figures whether something is on in HD when made in HD.
Not spectacularly right now, of course. But it is a factor.”
“HD works on programmes like Primeval filmed in the open and with effects.
If you have a choice you are always going to prefer that for a show unless you are so determined to watch anything the day it appears.
There will be a higher number of viewers of a series like Primeval to whom it being in HD or poor SD makes a difference. And if the wait is only a few weeks/months until it is on ITV HD then plenty will wait.
Of course, HD viewers are a minority at present but rising steadily. Of course, not everyone decides what to watch on the basis of it being in HD or not. But if there is a choice and not too much hardship involved in making it then with a muti channel/many things on at once world before us it will increasingly effect viewing figures whether something is on in HD when made in HD.
Not spectacularly right now, of course. But it is a factor.”
I think Primeval might be a bad example, though. The CGI looks unconvincing in SD. I would imagine it looks even worse in HD, unless the extra detail in the rest of the picture distracts from the CGI?
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“HD works on programmes like Primeval filmed in the open and with effects.
If you have a choice you are always going to prefer that for a show unless you are so determined to watch anything the day it appears.”
“HD works on programmes like Primeval filmed in the open and with effects.
If you have a choice you are always going to prefer that for a show unless you are so determined to watch anything the day it appears.”
Really? The breakdown for last Saturday's Primeval was:
SD: 3.54m
HD: 201k
So only 5.4% of its viewers watched in HD. Very poor.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I think Primeval might be a bad example, though. The CGI looks unconvincing in SD. I would imagine it looks even worse in HD, unless the extra detail in the rest of the picture distracts from the CGI?”
“I think Primeval might be a bad example, though. The CGI looks unconvincing in SD. I would imagine it looks even worse in HD, unless the extra detail in the rest of the picture distracts from the CGI?”
No, I think your right as if everything else looks better then the CGI will look terrible. I remember watching an episode were a tree monster was on a roof and it was probably the worse CGI I had ever seen.
Awful scheduling from both BBC1 and ITV1 really. ITV1 need to split Dancing on Ice to give a boost to Saturday. BBC1 performed reasonably well but could do better by 'trying' a bit more on the night.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Awful scheduling from both BBC1 and ITV1 really. ITV1 need to split Dancing on Ice to give a boost to Saturday. BBC1 performed reasonably well but could do better by 'trying' a bit more on the night.”
“Awful scheduling from both BBC1 and ITV1 really. ITV1 need to split Dancing on Ice to give a boost to Saturday. BBC1 performed reasonably well but could do better by 'trying' a bit more on the night.”
There's not much else BBC can do right though, all their programming through 6pm till 9:40pm is new programming and they are winning their slots.
The only thing I would get rid of is the Come Fly with Me repeats.
BTW according to the NOTW, Lottery: Secret Fortune begins on 12th February.
I think iaindb provided a perfectly plausible explanation for the CFWM repeats earlier in the thread.
Here it is: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=512
Here it is: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=512
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Really? The breakdown for last Saturday's Primeval was:
SD: 3.54m
HD: 201k
So only 5.4% of its viewers watched in HD. Very poor.”
“Really? The breakdown for last Saturday's Primeval was:
SD: 3.54m
HD: 201k
So only 5.4% of its viewers watched in HD. Very poor.”
It is low. Perhaps not many Sky HD subscribers are watching?
They like Mad Men though, 20% HD reach. No wonder they bought it.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“There's not much else BBC can do right though, all their programming through 6pm till 9:40pm is new programming and they are winning their slots.
The only thing I would get rid of is the Come Fly with Me repeats.
BTW according to the NOTW, Lottery: Secret Fortune begins on 12th February.”
“There's not much else BBC can do right though, all their programming through 6pm till 9:40pm is new programming and they are winning their slots.
The only thing I would get rid of is the Come Fly with Me repeats.
BTW according to the NOTW, Lottery: Secret Fortune begins on 12th February.”
True - I wish they had a family drama on but then again they can't have family drama on all year round.
Dancing on Ice is having a nightmare transmission wise tonight. It keeps flickering for some reason. Phil Schofield's just said 'gremlin in the machinery'.
Originally Posted by dave01:
“Tues 18th January
BBC1 Scotland - 20:00 - River City instead of Holby City.
STV - 19:30 - Children's Hospital instead of Grimefighters.
STV - 21:00 - Taggart; same networked episode but it has already been shown.”
“Tues 18th January
BBC1 Scotland - 20:00 - River City instead of Holby City.
STV - 19:30 - Children's Hospital instead of Grimefighters.
STV - 21:00 - Taggart; same networked episode but it has already been shown.”
Also ITV1 Wales have Wales This Week on instead off Grimefighters
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Secondly, the fact that STV are airing Taggart repeats will surely massively dent the network rating as you'd expect Taggart to do well in Scotland, so maybe STV are almost killing their own show here.”
“Secondly, the fact that STV are airing Taggart repeats will surely massively dent the network rating as you'd expect Taggart to do well in Scotland, so maybe STV are almost killing their own show here.”
I see where you are coming from, but what else have STV got that could rate well for 6 episodes at 9pm on a Tuesday night? They would never air first run Taggart in the Tuesday night flop zone. And I don't think it is surprising that STV want to repeat their only drama.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“I wonder how the ratings battle would look if BBC1 adopted the unusual Sunday night scheduling it took the other year when Lark Rise launched, starting it just before the end of DOI's slot (just as the wrap-up started) to get a head start on Wild at Heart? It worked a treat that year. Presumably they think they can live with DOI's 8-9m level and it poses them no real threat that they have to move to "off hour" scheduling junctions (and the strong BBC1 audiences last Sunday bear that out).
But it seems daft interrupting AR's lengthy series to slot in 6 weeks of Candleford, showing repeats instead at 6pm.
Why not go:
6.20 Countryfile
7.20 Antiques Roadshow (current series)
8.20 Lark Rise to Candleford
9.20 Zen
10.50 News
Far stronger IMO, and gets the jump on all 3 ITV shows”
“I wonder how the ratings battle would look if BBC1 adopted the unusual Sunday night scheduling it took the other year when Lark Rise launched, starting it just before the end of DOI's slot (just as the wrap-up started) to get a head start on Wild at Heart? It worked a treat that year. Presumably they think they can live with DOI's 8-9m level and it poses them no real threat that they have to move to "off hour" scheduling junctions (and the strong BBC1 audiences last Sunday bear that out).
But it seems daft interrupting AR's lengthy series to slot in 6 weeks of Candleford, showing repeats instead at 6pm.
Why not go:
6.20 Countryfile
7.20 Antiques Roadshow (current series)
8.20 Lark Rise to Candleford
9.20 Zen
10.50 News
Far stronger IMO, and gets the jump on all 3 ITV shows”
Four points:
1. The BBC would be accused of being too agreesive with ratings
2. A 2250 news would mess up the news channel. At 2300 instead of starting a bulletin they would be just starting the sport for the network news. Odd start times for BBC1 News, and the impact on the news channel, does annoy quite a few people, and while less important, I'm sure it does dent the news channel ratings. Some wanting a news at 2300 would probably go to Sky instead
3. It's a late finish to the evening schedule for a work night, which could impact on the Zen ratings (and the news but that matters less)
4. By resting the current Antiques Roadshow series it enables it to finish later in the year and reduces the number of 8pm repeats in the summer
Just found out Fives The Gadget Show is on TEN now, didnt realise it aied on one of the major chanels in Australia, I thought it was on a smaller channel.
Just had a quick look on wikipedia, and according to it, The Gadget Show, is on The Life Style Channel.
Just had a quick look on wikipedia, and according to it, The Gadget Show, is on The Life Style Channel.
Note, that Dancing on Ice and Wild at Heart will both be tape-checked; DOI (both) started late and Wild at Heart finished late.
Jersey Shore rose again on Thursday night posting a 4.4 rating among adults 18-49 (and 8.6m total viewers). In final ratings, Grey's Anatomy was adjusted down to a 4.3 so Jersey Shore was the #1 show of the night in the key demo. It also topped the 4.2 for Modern Family (off schedule due to an Obama speech). In fact, the only regularly scheduled show to beat Jersey Shore this week was NCIS with a 4.5 rating.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Note, that Dancing on Ice and Wild at Heart will both be tape-checked; DOI (both) started late and Wild at Heart finished late.”
“Note, that Dancing on Ice and Wild at Heart will both be tape-checked; DOI (both) started late and Wild at Heart finished late.”
Speaking of Dancing on Ice, Daybreak could be interesting tomorrow...Frank Lampard's current partner having to interview the ex.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“It is low. Perhaps not many Sky HD subscribers are watching?
They like Mad Men though, 20% HD reach. No wonder they bought it.”
“It is low. Perhaps not many Sky HD subscribers are watching?
They like Mad Men though, 20% HD reach. No wonder they bought it.”
Perhaps people just arent as bothered as you about HD?
Im sure most people would prefer HD quality but at the extra cost most people just arent fussed.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Jersey Shore rose again on Thursday night posting a 4.4 rating among adults 18-49 (and 8.6m total viewers). In final ratings, Grey's Anatomy was adjusted down to a 4.3 so Jersey Shore was the #1 show of the night in the key demo. It also topped the 4.2 for Modern Family (off schedule due to an Obama speech). In fact, the only regularly scheduled show to beat Jersey Shore this week was NCIS with a 4.5 rating.”
“Jersey Shore rose again on Thursday night posting a 4.4 rating among adults 18-49 (and 8.6m total viewers). In final ratings, Grey's Anatomy was adjusted down to a 4.3 so Jersey Shore was the #1 show of the night in the key demo. It also topped the 4.2 for Modern Family (off schedule due to an Obama speech). In fact, the only regularly scheduled show to beat Jersey Shore this week was NCIS with a 4.5 rating.”
That show is a (frankly rather worrying) phenomenon. Just incredible numbers for MTV.
Interesting that they're going to use it as a lead-in tomorrow night to give Skins US a leg up - and one hell of a leg-up it is too! A sign of how seriously they're taking this scripted programming push.
Now then, Taggart bashers, I was disappointed with last week's ratings, but this is a vital show for STV and Scotland and, like Neighbours does for Australia, makes millions in exports. Silent Witness is a tough rival, but I think ratings will creep up for Taggart as the new series is a welcome return to form.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Now then, Taggart bashers, I was disappointed with last week's ratings, but this is a vital show for STV and Scotland and, like Neighbours does for Australia, makes millions in exports. Silent Witness is a tough rival, but I think ratings will creep up for Taggart as the new series is a welcome return to form.”
“Now then, Taggart bashers, I was disappointed with last week's ratings, but this is a vital show for STV and Scotland and, like Neighbours does for Australia, makes millions in exports. Silent Witness is a tough rival, but I think ratings will creep up for Taggart as the new series is a welcome return to form.”
All ITV have to do is put it on another night...any night really. Maybe they thought an established show would hold its own but that hasn't happened so far.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Now then, Taggart bashers, I was disappointed with last week's ratings, but this is a vital show for STV and Scotland and, like Neighbours does for Australia, makes millions in exports. Silent Witness is a tough rival, but I think ratings will creep up for Taggart as the new series is a welcome return to form.”
“Now then, Taggart bashers, I was disappointed with last week's ratings, but this is a vital show for STV and Scotland and, like Neighbours does for Australia, makes millions in exports. Silent Witness is a tough rival, but I think ratings will creep up for Taggart as the new series is a welcome return to form.”
but is this a good attitude to take?
Lets look at ITVs Primeval, axed and then saved pretty much for viewers on BBC Am, yet this series ratings are even lower than before, too many characters have either left or have changed too much, whilst over all, it just isnt as good as previous series.
I speak as a Primeval fan, not as the ITV basher I am sometimes made out to be.
Neighbours very much the same, Australia doesnt want it, and its not very good.
Still Taggart is normally of higher quality than both Primeval and Neighbours, but my point is, keeping a show around for export is not always a good idea.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“All ITV have to do is put it on another night...any night really. Maybe they thought an established show would hold its own but that hasn't happened so far.”
“All ITV have to do is put it on another night...any night really. Maybe they thought an established show would hold its own but that hasn't happened so far.”
I dread if they cancel it in England and Scotland shows it unilaterally. Maybe, though, if ITV1 gets cold feet, then maybe Five, who love imported cop shows, should step in. Taggart deserves better.
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