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The Ratings Thread (Part 16)
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dan2008
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“agreed EE should be a nice boost for Waterloo Road.”

Yep and Normally i have nothing to watch on a Wednesday but that week i have a whole hour and a half

EDIT Emmerdale airs 7:00 pm-8:00pm on Weds 2nd
Charnham
19-01-2011
yes Wednesday is quiet for me as well, expect for NCIS.
rzt
19-01-2011
ignore
fodg09
19-01-2011
Piers Morgan's producer on Twitter saying that they beat Hannity on FNC in the demo last night, 551k v 506k. In the demo on Monday Piers had 521k and Hannity 600k.

Quote:
“#1 A25-54 Tue! RT @sree @PiersMorgan Debuts W/2 Million Viewers, says @WSJ, a huge increase over @CNN's Q4 ave. Congrats EP @jonathanwald”

Quote:
“551k v 506k RT @danielshea @jonathanwald you guys beat hannity in demo??? congrats”

http://twitter.com/#!/jonathanwald

Sensational result for the second show if the above is true. Do CNN finally have a hit on their hands? Certainly the promotion of the show, particularly through social media, has been flawless.
Dancc
19-01-2011
Very impressive. I'm guessing Hannity still won in total viewers, but a win in the demo is not to be sniffed at.

Shame we'll never know the figures in the UK since CNN haven't joined BARB.
fodg09
19-01-2011
Total figures for CNN v FNC last night just being reported now - they were,

Quote:
“On night 2, "Piers Morgan Tonight" beats Hannity in 25-54 demo, 551k vs 506k. Among all viewers, tho, Hannity has 2.18 mil; Piers, 1.27 mil.”

http://twitter.com/#!/brianstelter

Not as impressive a showing in total viewers (although still miles ahead of CNN's recent prime time exploits) but the demo win is a great achievement.
rzt
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Interesting to compare the skews with the UK skews: http://i51.tinypic.com/2qdvsbk.jpg

You'd probably have to take a bit off the UK shows to account for the differing ranges, 18 to 49 compared with 16 to 54.”

I can do 18-49s like the USA too (though it takes more time for me to calculate them). For Monday, it was:

% of viewers aged 18-49
Glee: 66%
One Born Every Minute: 57%
EastEnders: 48%
The Biggest Loser: 44%
Corrie (19:30): 37%
Emmerdale: 34%
Silent Witness: 29%
The One Show: 29%

Incidentally - if the above were American programmes, their A18-49 demo ratings would've been:

EastEnders: 3.6
Corrie: 2.9
Emmerdale: 2.1
Silent Witness: 1.6
The Biggest Loser: 1.2
The One Show: 1.1
One Born Every Minute: 1.0
Glee: 0.8

I bet NBC wish they had an 'EastEnders' or even a 'Silent Witness' having seen how appallingly some of their new dramas have rated this year .
sn_22
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I bet NBC wish they had an 'EastEnders' or even a 'Silent Witness' having seen how appallingly some of their new dramas have rated this year .”

I think an American network would cut off their left arm for a show that can pull 3.0 or more, 4 times a week, 52 weeks a year, on a tiny per episode budget. Commercially, it'd be an absolute goldmine.

Brilliant rating for Piers Morgan. He's shed plenty of viewers overall, but crucially hung onto them in the demo. I'm sure he'll drop a long way still - but among those core viewers, he'll be a serious contender. That would be such a big boost for CNN.
Charnham
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“I think an American network would cut off their left arm for a show that can pull 3.0 or more, 4 times a week, 52 weeks a year, on a tiny per episode budget. Commercially, it'd be an absolute goldmine. ”

but a US network would never know what to do with a show like EastEnders, its so differnt from everything else they have.
queenie-treacle
19-01-2011
any1 on here know of walford web?
Charnham
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by queenie-treacle:
“any1 on here know of walford web?”

I have an account, but I dont post alot.


One more point about the EE US demo, has it been adjusted for the more dominat US cable market? which EE would be competing with.
sn_22
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“but a US network would never know what to do with a show like EastEnders, its so differnt from everything else they have.”

Well absolutely - soaps are an entirely different beast in the US, as is their TV landscape in general (most notably, far far more competition). Daytime soaps there are hilariously glossy, weird, fantastical things - and are dying by the year.

I'm sure if any sort of down-to-earth misery-fest had a chance in primetime, a desperate executive would have tried it by now! We were just remarking that US networks would love to have such regular, successful, cheap staples as ITV and BBC enjoy here. They do, after all, have many more daily year-round shows out of primetime (daytime talk, late night comedy. etc) but not within primetime.
Charnham
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Well absolutely - soaps are an entirely different beast in the US, as is their TV landscape in general. Daytime soaps there are hilariously glossy, weird, fantastical things - and are dying by the year.

I'm sure if any sort of down-to-earth misery-fest had a chance in primetime, a desperate executive would have tried it by now!”

I would say the closest the US has to EastEnders, is actually Desperate Housewives, buts its still very differnt.

It would be a brave network to commit 3 or 4 half slots to a program like EastEnders, a more desperate housewives style show would be more likely, heck it could be a London based spin-off of Desperate Housewives
Brekkie
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Very impressive. I'm guessing Hannity still won in total viewers, but a win in the demo is not to be sniffed at.

Shame we'll never know the figures in the UK since CNN haven't joined BARB.”

Well you can be certain that most shows gloating about their demos are trying to hide something with their overall figure.

I'm still baffled at how they get to the 300m figure Piers has been gloating about - even using the Superbowl tactics of saying 1 billion are watching when the reality is only a few million watch outside the US would struggle to get to 300m watching an international news channel.
sn_22
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Well you can be certain that most shows gloating about their demos are trying to hide something with their overall figure.

I'm still baffled at how they get to the 300m figure Piers has been gloating about - even using the Superbowl tactics of saying 1 billion are watching when the reality is only a few million watch outside the US would struggle to get to 300m watching an international news channel.”

I suspect he's quoted some sort of global, yearly reach or something. The number of people who've seen 5 minutes of CNN in an airport lounge or Hong Kong hotel.

And though in Britain, I'd usually agree with you about the demographic thing - in the US, that is genuinely how the advertisers decide where to spend their money.

Having the bewilderingly popular Howard Stern on last night will have helped Piers' demo numbers no end. Tomorrow might see a big fall there. I still don't think he's about to drop anywhere close to Larry King numbers though. It's looking like a hit.
Joe40
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“ESPN's 4th round FA Cup picks...
Everton v Chelsea - Sat 29th Jan 12.30pm
Arsenal or Leeds v Huddersfield - Sun 30th Jan noon
Fulham vs Tottenham Hotspur - Sun 30th Jan 4.30pm

ITV1
Southampton v Manchester United - Sat 29th Jan 5.15pm
Sun 30th Jan TBA (which I would imagine now to be Notts County v Manchester City).”

Confirmed as ITV1's other choice...
Notts County v Manchester City - Sun 30th Jan (programme starts 1.30pm).
C14E
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“but a US network would never know what to do with a show like EastEnders, its so differnt from everything else they have.”

They'd put it in daytime - there's a very different attitude to soaps. If it were going to be in primetime it would probably have to develop some kind of format like Desperate Housewives where there's effectively a "mystery" every series (although that format is seriously exhausted). Plus, US networks don't like stripped shows anyway. Even Big Brother is only 3 nights a week.

Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Well you can be certain that most shows gloating about their demos are trying to hide something with their overall figure”

Quite the opposite really. Nobody is buying ad space based on total viewers.

Some background at the link below as well with comments from the VP of Audience Research at USA/Syfy.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...-linhart/62217

Quote:
“I'm still baffled at how they get to the 300m figure Piers has been gloating about - even using the Superbowl tactics of saying 1 billion are watching when the reality is only a few million watch outside the US would struggle to get to 300m watching an international news channel.”

I'm guessing that's CNN's total global reach.
C14E
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“I suspect he's quoted some sort of global, yearly reach or something. The number of people who've seen 5 minutes of CNN in an airport lounge or Hong Kong hotel.

And though in Britain, I'd usually agree with you about the demographic thing - in the US, that is genuinely how the advertisers decide where to spend their money.

Having the bewilderingly popular Howard Stern on last night will have helped Piers' demo numbers no end. Tomorrow might see a big fall there. I still don't think he's about to drop anywhere close to Larry King numbers though. It's looking like a hit.”

I think the shift in audience profile last night might reflect the fact that this show is, as it stands, going to be a bit like Life Stories. It'll go high with good guests but might dip low as well. CNN will take that for now - Larry King seemed unable to draw viewers in any situation. Of course, this may not be the regular format for every show.

Where FOXN & MSNBC have an advantage is that viewers have a particular loyalty to those networks. They'll watch every night. Because where Piers' show will be about a particular guest, FOXN/MSNBC is always about the same thing (either right wing anger or left wing outrage).
dean michael
19-01-2011
are the ratings for GOT TO DANCE up or down from the same time on series 1 ?
Ads
19-01-2011
As we have no english ratings...

Meanwhile in Spain, the Walking Dead is doing very well! http://www.abc.es/20110112/tv/abcm-w...101121445.html
CheekyTV
19-01-2011
Has any one got the figures for the first five episodes of Shameless that were shown last week please? Thanks in advance.
Dancc
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by CheekyTV:
“Has any one got the figures for the first five episodes of Shameless that were shown last week please? Thanks in advance.”

Monday 3.43m
Tuesday 3.00m
Wednesday 2.85m
Thursday 2.81m
Friday 2.59m

All include +1.
Source: C4 Sales.
cherubmattd
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by dean michael:
“are the ratings for GOT TO DANCE up or down from the same time on series 1 ?”

About the same
C14E
19-01-2011
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Well absolutely - soaps are an entirely different beast in the US, as is their TV landscape in general (most notably, far far more competition). Daytime soaps there are hilariously glossy, weird, fantastical things - and are dying by the year.

I'm sure if any sort of down-to-earth misery-fest had a chance in primetime, a desperate executive would have tried it by now! We were just remarking that US networks would love to have such regular, successful, cheap staples as ITV and BBC enjoy here. They do, after all, have many more daily year-round shows out of primetime (daytime talk, late night comedy. etc) but not within primetime.”

It has been tried - not actually on TV, but in development.

Mal Young, who created or co-created Family Affairs, Doctors, Holby City and served as Controller of Continuing Drama at the BBC, joined 19 TV (Simon Fuller's company) as Head of Drama.

They had a couple of cracks at shows set on the same street focussing on 3 blue collar families. One involved Tony Jordan in 2005 but never got past the script stage. Then Fuller/Young tried again in 2007, got a pilot but no series order.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004...s.broadcasting

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4020589.stm

http://casino.thesun.co.uk/sol/homep...s-planned.html

It just wouldn't work, though. Aside from the nature of the show, its scheduling and format just doesn't work with US primetime TV. Even Big Brother doesn't get 4 nights a week over there.

Univision (Spanish language network) does have soaps in primetimes (or telenovas) and does well with them. In the summer they sometimes beat the English language channels in the demo.
D.M.N.
19-01-2011
A small part of me was hoping for some late night UK ratings, unfortunately not it seems. Hopefully tomorrow!
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