Originally Posted by
C14E:
“I don't know if there's much point drawing comparisons (and one of Simon Fuller's flacks posts on DS, he'd melt with fury at the "Cowell Shows" description being applied to Idol!
).
When Idol went into decline (season 5, 2007), X Factor was just about to get a second wind (season 5, 2008). They've had entirely different patterns. Equally, America's Got Talent has had its own pattern, very different to BGT.
Tyler & Lopez have been well received. But it's clear that they haven't got a "breakout" star in the way that Cowell was back in 2002 or Cheryl was for XF in 2008. Notably, while Cheryl appealed to a younger audience, Idol is skewing older this year. Equally, there's nothing to suggest that Idol's declines are going to be totally disasterous - at least not this season.
I think it's a fair bet that X Factor has peaked in the UK (admittedly this is the third year that I've said that).”
I think either way TXF may suffer this year. If Cowell quits it clearly will - but if he doesn't he'll be compromising the idea behind the show by splitting himself with the US, and we all know where his priorities are (odds on he'll get the contestants muddled up!).
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Regarding how successful The Chase is, I assumed it was an Endemol job, but it seems it is made by ITV Studios.
Do ITV own the format and hence are lucrative overseas sales likely?”
Not sure of the history of The Chase, but ITV bought 12 Yards a couple of years back who have a very good reputation for game shows, so I suspect they had a hand in it.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“If they want to sell the version abroad they're going to have to maybe move it to primetime to make it appear an attractive purchase to others. Possibly a Saturday after The X Factor/Britain's Got Talent would be a good place to start. If it does bomb at least they could move it back to daytime.”
Not true at all - daytime is big business globally and Deal or No Deal took off around the world as a daytime format. As a daytime format The Chase is incredibly marketable - but as a primetime format it is nowhere near as attractive IMO.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Thanks to rzt for the following Big Fat Gypsy Weddings breakdown:
21:00 - 4.59m
21:05 - 5.48m
21:10 - 5.04m <-- commercial
21:15 - 5.46m
21:20 - 5.78m
21:25 - 5.03m <-- commercial
21:30 - 5.81m
21:35 - 5.99m
21:40 - 6.08m
21:45 - 5.50m <-- commercial
21:50 - 6.12m
21:55 - 6.51m
The 7.4m peak previously reported must have included C4 +1. The high increase throughout the hour suggests it'll do very well next week.”
Excluding Big Brother and other one-off shows, if they maintain that figure throughout the series it surely has to be one of C4's most successful "series" since the early days of Wife Swap, which IIRC (which I probably don't!) did hit around 6m.
Originally Posted by
D.M.N.:
“BBC have axed Lark Rise to Candleford: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22866641/”
Well with the budget slash it's no surprise when Antiques Roadshow can perform just as well at a fraction of the price - and we're going to see more and more of that from the BBC in the years to come.
I also think the show didn't make enough noise to make it worth keeping - it just quietly went about it's business, rather successfully, while the rest of the nation didn't notice.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I don't think it matters to the BBC, it shouldn't anyway. For the British commercial channels, I don't think they place as much importance to it as much as the American networks but generally a higher 16-34 rating (or ABC1) means more ad revenue for them.”
The BBC of course though would argue it's about serving the demos of licence fee payers - though of course in truth the headline figure is more important to them. The BBC is always screwed though ratings wise though whichever way you look at it.
Would be great though if BARB made the 16-34 figures especially more widely available - it's quite fascinating how they tell a completely different story for so many programmes.