Am I the only person that didn't realise how successful Shameless was for Channel 4?

Shameless - Series Averages
Series 1 [08 ep] - 2.56m (h: 2.81m; l: 2.18m)
Series 2 [10 ep] - 2.70m (h: 3.11m; l: 2.40m)
Series 3 [08 ep] - 3.01m (h: 3.24m; l: 2.56m)
Series 4 [08 ep] - 3.38m (h: 4.00m; l: 2.87m)
Series 5 [16 ep] - 2.63m (h: 3.25m; l: 2.35m)
Series 6 [16 ep] - 2.69m (h: 3.47m; l: 2.31m)
Series 7 [16 ep] - 2.81m (h: 3.98m; l: 2.45m)

And:

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We can confirm that the FA Cup fourth-round tie between Southampton & Man United will be live on ITV1 & ITV.com on Sat Jan 29, ko 5.15pm
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Terrible news for Primeval as it will have a horrendous lead-in.

I think both Taggart and CSI will suffer about the same. Taggart's already been shown in Scotland where it's disproportionally more popular than the rest of the UK so it was going to be lower than normal anyway, but airing against Silent Witness (which has a pretty similar audience of a lot of 55+) in that awful Tuesday slot will send it down to about 3.5m I think. Last year up against Sherlock which got ~7m, Taggart was down to 3.8/3.9m but that was with a Heartbeat lead-in. I can't see it doing as well as that.

As for CSI - usually it's capable of 2.5m in that slot but with two other crime dramas at the same time, plus the football you've mentioned, I reckon it'll rate just under 2m.

How predictable they went for the fixture involving United.

At least Fulham v Spurs had potential to be an interesting open game.

Good news for ESPN.

It's funny how CSI has fallen a lot whereas its sister shows has remained stable. I think once William Peterson left, the viewer went with it and with Marg Helgenberger leaving, the show's going to decline even more.

I think Taggart will suffer as it's been shown in Scotland already.

Indeed. What a lot of people forget about CSI is that it peaked in 2009. Most people think it peaked way before that, but the ratings suggest otherwise, with 4.6m tuning in to see Grissom bow out. That same season opened with a similarly impressive 4.4m. It dipped massively after he left, I believe the same is true of other markets, and hasn't really recovered since.

Miami also peaked in 2009 with 4.2m viewers. New York is the exception, peaking in 2006 with 3.8m. The CSI trilogy peaked at 4.0m last year.

After CBS moved the shows to new slots in the US neither Miami or New York have been able to reach the heights they once attained weekly. It's looking increasingly likely that New York wont make it to next season, with Miami also "on the bubble". Five are going to have to find something to replace those shows if they are to disappear from the schedule.

The 5-minute peak for DOI was 10.73m (37.4%) at 7.55pm across ITV1 and ITV1 HD, so he must've been referring to that.

Funny how he didn't mention the ratings for The Cube or Comedy Annual recently !

I didn't realise the situation was as bad as that in the US.

Maybe Las Vegas could move to Saturdays in the UK if New York comes to an end, allowing either The Mentalist or NCIS to take its traditional Tuesday slot.

But hopefully it won't come to that. New York is still a good show in my book.

I think the problem with CSI now is not necesarily the fact that William Petersen left, but the fact that new episodes focus far too much on Laurence Fishburne's character and less on the investigations themselves.

It's been said a lot that Miami is traditionally the weakest franchise because it focuses far too much on the characters and not enough on the crime (and focuses far, far too much on Horatio in particular). The only reason it got 4.2m in 2009 was because the trailers made it seem like Horatio was going to die.

That said, CSI Vegas is still Channel 5's strongest show, and they mustn't lose sight of that. I think one of the biggest mistakes broadcasters often make is assuming that a long-running success will "take care of itself". Then, when it gets no marketing and no promotion, its audience declines and the assumption is made that "people must be getting tired of it."

Miami will die when Caruso leaves and I cannot see them replacing him, CSI: NY could survive without Gary Sinise but IMO it's the best of the three CSIs and it's doing good on Fridays. CBS is in the situation where it can afford to cancel okay performing shows.

It's worse than I first feared for Million Pound Drop. 8 shows over 4 weekends:

http://twitter.com/#!/the1mpounddrop...62631454052352

On a par with last year's E4 figures, but with no C4 primetime repeat this year, overall figures will be down.

Tape-checked:

20:30 - Coronation Street: 9.9m (37.2%)
* 20:30 to 20:55 - 10.96m (40.7%)
* 20:55 to 21:00 - 4.60m (19.7%)

Not quite a mass switch off after Coronation Street, but very nearly. Both episodes of Coronation Street had 11.0m to 1.d.p. then tape-checked.

Superb ratings. Makes more sense.. ratings fell off a cliff for The Biggest Loser.

So around 3.5m switched to Silent Witness, 1m to One Born Every Minute, 500k to Glee and the remaining pensioners either went to bed or fell to sleep with the telly still on 3 ..

Plenty to be positive about for lots of channels last night. The soaps continue to enjoy their January boost - Coronation Street has done terrifically to recover the momentum it had going into Christmas. And EastEnders and Emmerdale are rolling along quite nicely too.

Brilliant for Silent Witness in the 9pm hour, taking a big boost from the lesser opposition (and maybe a bit of football-inflation in Scotland). Less good news for The Biggest Loser, which received the first of (probably) many smackdowns from BBC One drama. That said, it is one of those shows that might grow over time - how many episodes does it last for.

And at last, a really positive night for Channel 4. I was worried One Born Every Minute would have taken a knock from the dismal Christmas outing, but thats still very respectable indeed. And Shameless is still a real winner for the channel after all these years. And with more episodes than ever this time round. More long-running, returnable drama series like this really ought to be on C4's 'Creative Renewal' shopping list.


They seriously need to decide what on earth they're trying to do with that show. No sooner does something positive (like last night) happen, than they're back trying to knock down their own successes. The whole channel just seems chaotic at the moment. And I can't believe they're turning to Jay Hunt to sort it out!

Good for Silent Witness and Corrie 1. ITV1+1 will produce more viewers (starts 8pm).

If ITV1+1 launches tonight, does that mean today is the last day of (relative) sanity on the DS Ratings Thread?

No, ratings will just be posted without +1 - like Ch4.

Shameless is good but I think Channel 4 should be looking for its successors, I think 22 episodes will hurt it, 16 episodes was a stretch.

I would have thought they would cancel it.


PSB elements my ....

The Biggest Loser is an awful way to loose weight, not at all healthy.

meanwhile The Biggest Loser is really just daytime programming in a flash package, and sold to primetime.

They deserve this flop, because after it airing apparntly unoticed in Daytime, the decesion came to move it to primetime

Brilliant for Shameless, EE and Glee!!
Seems to me that Shameless is the only show that consistantly gets a 2.5m+ average on C4 now that BB is gone. Even Grand Designs was shown a lot, and that was reflected in the lower ratings.

Can't wait for Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents tonight... but is it just me who watches it late at night after midnight? same for all BBC three shows really, after Family Guy I watch whatever after it most of the time.

OK, thanks a lot for that.

And thanks for doing the work required to work it out!

What were the ratings for The Daily Show Global Edition on More4 and its +1 channel last night ? Thanks