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FoxSatHDR volume control on HD & FTP
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staceydsf
10-01-2011
Hello all,

Why is it that when I watch a SD tv Picture through the HDMI lead the volume control on the HDR works, but when I'm watching an HD broadcast the volume control on the HDR dosen't?

Thanks

Also, there is a thread on another forum that states that you can now (by using a modified HDR file) use FTP with the FoxsatHRD. Has anyone tried this yet?

Thanks again
grahamlthompson
11-01-2011
Because the SD channel is delivering lpcm stereo (mp2 transmitted) and the HD channels (except ITV1-HD Granada) is Dolby Digital audio
swedish cook
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by staceydsf:
“...
Also, there is a thread on another forum that states that you can now (by using a modified HDR file) use FTP with the FoxsatHRD. Has anyone tried this yet?

Thanks again”

Tell me more - desparate to use FTP !

EDIT: Just seen it on AVForums (hope I'm allowed to say that).
REPASSAC
11-01-2011
Here is the link http://www.avforums.com/forums/frees...t-working.html
REPASSAC
11-01-2011
Wow, that really does work and it's so fast.
CPN
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by REPASSAC:
“Wow, that really does work and it's so fast.”

Yes it is and (IMO) one of the best things to come to the HDR since it went on sale!
brumlad36
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by REPASSAC:
“Here is the link http://www.avforums.com/forums/frees...t-working.html”

Yes...., and I can just feel the whoosh of air as this goes straight over my head
The outcome sounds great, but I don't understand the technicalities!

Chris.
CPN
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by brumlad36:
“Yes...., and I can just feel the whoosh of air as this goes straight over my head
The outcome sounds great, but I don't understand the technicalities!

Chris.”

Ok, well how's this for an example for starters...

If you have a Sony Bravia Internet enabled TV (which, by design, also has a sort of DNLA) and you have folders on your PC shared across the network filled with program files that you have FTP'd across (to your PC) from your Humax HDR, then they will be immediately available for viewing direct on the Sony without any need to do format conversions or anything... Now THAT, I would argue, is a pretty big deal!!

P.S. I am, of course, referring to another remote Sony TV that is NOT directly connected to your Humax box but is connected via your own home network only.
swedish cook
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by brumlad36:
“Yes...., and I can just feel the whoosh of air as this goes straight over my head
The outcome sounds great, but I don't understand the technicalities!

Chris.”

omg OMG OMG

Realise "FTP" is one of those things only technical guys have ever heard of - well GET LEARNING GUYS ! Its simple !

All you need is a program like Filezilla FTP client and you can connect from your PC to your HDR and drag and drop recordiongs accross to your PC.

And get this, I just transferred Antz recording, a whole movie in a couple of minutes - 5.6 MB/s I'm getting. You don't even need it to finish transfer before you start watching it (dunno if windows media player can - I'm using "VLC", its free and it has no problems playing whilst file transfers. Its not quite seamless streaming to a PC that we might get with the next gen product but hey this rocks !
swedish cook
11-01-2011
.... if you just want to transfer one recording at a time and don't want to watch it whilst its downloading you can just fire up your PC web browser and type in the address "ftp://192.168.0.128" (replace the IP address by that of your HDR) and enter the username "HumaxFTP" and password "0000" when prompted.
Flyer 10
11-01-2011
FTP isnt a lot of use to me unless they make the box play divx/xvid and mkv files which will never happen.
CPN
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by Flyer 10:
“FTP isnt a lot of use to me unless they make the box play divx/xvid and mkv files which will never happen.”

Ok, I'm curious... why that limit? You are aware of AV2HDR aren't you?
staceydsf
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Because the SD channel is delivering lpcm stereo (mp2 transmitted) and the HD channels (except ITV1-HD Granada) is Dolby Digital audio”

So is there anyway to change the dolby to Icpm on the FoxSat? don't need dolby as only connected to sony TV (it is aslo quiter than the SD channels)
Flyer 10
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by CPN:
“Ok, I'm curious... why that limit? You are aware of AV2HDR aren't you?”

Im not encoding things just so I can view it once, my comp is linked to the TV so I can stream it direct, it would be handy if the HDR could understand popular files so they could just be copied over and i could turn off the comp.

It wont happen, I just bought a Sony and you can play from a USB stick but its only crap formats like AVC or MPEG1 that nobody uses. Good job I didnt buy it for that feature.
CPN
11-01-2011
Originally Posted by Flyer 10:
“Im not encoding things just so I can view it once, my comp is linked to the TV so I can stream it direct, it would be handy if the HDR could understand popular files so they could just be copied over and i could turn off the comp.”

Right... I get you now.
Originally Posted by Flyer 10:
“It wont happen, I just bought a Sony and you can play from a USB stick but its only crap formats like AVC or MPEG1 that nobody uses. Good job I didnt buy it for that feature.”

Yes, I found that out the hard way too... the EX503 (and probably others in that range) won't even support a low power 2.5" USB HDD drive either. Not even if it is externally powered... complains of a high powered device and to unplug it... (which is pants...)
tgabber
12-01-2011
The telnet and FTP capability is awesome - many thanks to the guy who did all the hard work to make this happen.

The update was painless once I'd found a USB stick that the Foxsat would actually recognise on boot.

I'm busy using Telnet to having a poke around the filesystem now
grahamlthompson
12-01-2011
Originally Posted by tgabber:
“The telnet and FTP capability is awesome - many thanks to the guy who did all the hard work to make this happen.

The update was painless once I'd found a USB stick that the Foxsat would actually recognise on boot.

I'm busy using Telnet to having a poke around the filesystem now ”

This might be of interest

http://foxsatdisk.wikispaces.com/The+HDR+filesystem
staceydsf
12-01-2011
Have just installed new 1TB HDD into FoxSat and new FTP image and am now copying contents of old HDD (Installed in Caddy and connected to USB) over FTP to PC ready for transfer back to new HDD. It's too good to be true..

A massive thanks to Mogie over on AV forums (sorry Digital Spy Guys but I think credit where credits due here )
grahamlthompson
12-01-2011
Originally Posted by staceydsf:
“So is there anyway to change the dolby to Icpm on the FoxSat? don't need dolby as only connected to sony TV (it is aslo quiter than the SD channels)”


Basically your TV does that, Dolby Digital is a more efficient compression system so can deliver higher quality sound than MP2 with the same or lower bitrates. Simply adjust the volume level using the hdr remote so the SD sound is about the same level as the HD. Thereafter use the TV volume and just leave the hdrs's volume alone. There is a MP2 track on BBC-HD and BBC1-HD you can select with the audio button but it's audio described.
welshblob
13-01-2011
Originally Posted by CPN:
“Ok, well how's this for an example for starters...

If you have a Sony Bravia Internet enabled TV (which, by design, also has a sort of DNLA) and you have folders on your PC shared across the network filled with program files that you have FTP'd across (to your PC) from your Humax HDR, then they will be immediately available for viewing direct on the Sony without any need to do format conversions or anything... Now THAT, I would argue, is a pretty big deal!!

P.S. I am, of course, referring to another remote Sony TV that is NOT directly connected to your Humax box but is connected via your own home network only.”

How about using an xbmc plugin to browse recordings and then stream directly over ftp?
2Bdecided
13-01-2011
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Dolby Digital is a more efficient compression system so can deliver higher quality sound than MP2 with the same or lower bitrates.”

OT, but that's debatable. They're both pretty ancient codecs. You rarely see mp2 used with surround (though it has the capability), but in stereo mp2 often beats AC-3.

Cheers,
David.
grahamlthompson
13-01-2011
Originally Posted by 2Bdecided:
“OT, but that's debatable. They're both pretty ancient codecs. You rarely see mp2 used with surround (though it has the capability), but in stereo mp2 often beats AC-3.

Cheers,
David.”


DD2.0 definately sounds better than MP2 on My Denon Amp Kef speaker setup. TV MP2 tracks are often prologic11 though as is DD2.0
2Bdecided
13-01-2011
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“DD2.0 definately sounds better than MP2 on My Denon Amp Kef speaker setup. TV MP2 tracks are often prologic11 though as is DD2.0”

Apples vs oranges. Some of the DD stereo broadcasts are 384kbps. Some of the mp2 stereo broadcasts are only 128kbps. (Though 192 and 256 are more sensible figures for both). Like for like DD gives no quality advantage for stereo over mp2 at the same bitrate. I have professional encoders for both.

Cheers,
David.
grahamlthompson
13-01-2011
Originally Posted by 2Bdecided:
“Apples vs oranges. Some of the DD stereo broadcasts are 384kbps. Some of the mp2 stereo broadcasts are only 128kbps. (Though 192 and 256 are more sensible figures for both). Like for like DD gives no quality advantage for stereo over mp2 at the same bitrate. I have professional encoders for both.

Cheers,
David.”

In this case I was comparing BBC1-SD with BBC1-HD, BBC1-HD sounds better.
2Bdecided
13-01-2011
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“In this case I was comparing BBC1-SD with BBC1-HD, BBC1-HD sounds better.”

Isn't the AC-3 sound locked at 384kbps? I don't know - I haven't grabbed a sample from BBC One HD.

Even so, you don't know anything about the provenance of either stream. Both are probably transcoded - the AC3 from Dolby E, and the mp2 from mp2. Goodness knows how many generations each has been through, the BBC One HD hasn't been sent through regional switching (though hopefully that's mostly "out of circuit" most of the time - at least as much as can be).

Cheers,
David.
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