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Verizon gets the iPhone - Implications for Android?
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pi r squared
16-01-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Sorry, that is a list of Amazon's bestselling phones Not the UK's.”

Yes I know that, I did mention it was Amazon's list. The bold face and rolleyesicon serve no purpose. The purpose of showing you the link was to demonstrate that it's not just the cheap Androids that are selling well - the "premium", top-end phones are outselling even them.
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“If I was buying an iPhone, I wouldn't be buying a PAYG from Amazon. In the upper range most people don't go for PAYG.”

Well, they're SIM-free rather than PAYG but yes, you wouldn't buy an iPhone from Amazon as they're not an authorised reseller. My point wasn't "look how Android outsell iPhone at Amazon"; it was, again, that Android premium phones do sell. And will likely continue to do so, as we begin seeing other phones leading innovation - LG's dual-core phone, Samsung's NFC-enabled phone, Sony Ericcson's still-surrounded-by-secrecy Playstation phone. Even collectively, they're unlikely to overtake iOS's market share, but they will still do very well.

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“But I don't think the higher end Android phones are even coming close in sales to the iPhone. Most of the Android market appears to be with lower end handsets.”

I'd be interested to see a source for this.
alanwarwic
16-01-2011
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“.. it was, again, that Android premium phones do sell.”

I'm not sure how many PAYG £400 phones actually sell but something like the rugged Defy at £250 is,certainly considered top end and also sells on price.

Some seem contract phones while others are certainly PAYG.
Price may well relate to actual sales outlet rather than quality.
Vallhund
16-01-2011
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“Yes I know that, I did mention it was Amazon's list. The bold face and rolleyesicon serve no purpose. The purpose of showing you the link was to demonstrate that it's not just the cheap Androids that are selling well - the "premium", top-end phones are outselling even them.Well, they're SIM-free rather than PAYG but yes, you wouldn't buy an iPhone from Amazon as they're not an authorised reseller. My point wasn't "look how Android outsell iPhone at Amazon"; it was, again, that Android premium phones do sell. ”

Actually we don't know how well they are selling and sorry I did miss the link about it being from Amazon .

Quite right, no need for the rolled eyes or boldface.

The Android premium phones certainly are doing OK, but when head to head with the iPhone, they don't sell as well.

Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“I'd be interested to see a source for this.”

So would I, but we do have the Mobile OS Operating web usage Share and Android still is way behind iOS. That would lead one to conclude that Android phones would be from the lower end of the market, primarily being used for phone calls.
alanwarwic
16-01-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“The Android premium phones certainly are doing OK, but when head to head with the iPhone, they don't sell as well.”

The budget Android phones must be outselling the premium Android phones 100 to 1.

That's in Argos or Tesco stores etc. Because even those have only just arrived.
Vallhund
05-02-2011
Looks like Android is going to get a kicking although Blackberry is even worse off.

Half of Verizon smartphone users mulling switch to iPhone

Survey: 44% of Verizon Android users likely to switch to iPhone on Day One
neo_wales
05-02-2011
Vallhund, you make me giggle, mocking the Androids poor battery life! At least you can change the battery in an Android to suit your needs.

"Mark Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook, last year took to his own Facebook page to slam the device for having a poor battery and dropping phone calls. "I got four chargers so I can keep it charged everywhere I go and a landline so I can actually make phone calls," he posted."

From
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...e-mobile-phone

So, are you saying that people who don't buy Apple phones are bottom feeders, 'trailer park trash' as our American cousins would perhaps put? A tad snobbish of you old boy lol
Vallhund
05-02-2011
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Vallhund, you make me giggle, mocking the Androids poor battery life! At least you can change the battery in an Android to suit your needs.”

Who cares? Hardly anyone does this. I guess no one needs to unless they have an Android phone.

Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“"Mark Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook, last year took to his own Facebook page to slam the device for having a poor battery and dropping phone calls. "I got four chargers so I can keep it charged everywhere I go and a landline so I can actually make phone calls," he posted."”

At&T carrier fault, not an iPhone fault. Apple isn't in charge of AT&Ts network.

Battery life on the iPhone is superior to the Android.

Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“So, are you saying that people who don't buy Apple phones are bottom feeders, 'trailer park trash' as our American cousins would perhaps put? A tad snobbish of you old boy lol”

I didn't say or imply any such thing.

I actually use a Nokia E72, because it does what I want and the price is good.
alanwarwic
05-02-2011
Lots of people have certainly found that by having loads of things that are unobtainable on the iPhone makes Android battery life worse.
Such as a massive screen and multitasking. I'm sure if nasty apps like VLC and Kindle get removed the iPhone will improve even more.


It it a dual mode iPhone or just single ?
grumpyoldbat
05-02-2011
The iPhone 4 pre-order on Verizon was a sellout. They're not giving out numbers but the Verizon CEO is quoted as saying it's their best pre-order ever. Make of that what you will.
alanwarwic
05-02-2011
170,000 I thought i heard.
neo_wales
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
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Battery life on the iPhone is superior to the Android.

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Which Android, there are a lot of models? Son in law now has to take a charger for his iPhone into work with him, the phone eats battery life.

So, how is the iPhone battery, (the one you can't replace and have to send off for replacement when they wear out) superior? Its not, all phone batteries are crap, certainly on 'smart' phones because of the application/wi fi/screen drain, batteries are the weak link in them all but I can't see what would make an iPhone battery superior, they're not in reality any better than the rest. At least with my trusty 3310 or G1 I can easily carry a couple of charged batteries with me on camping trips, a lightweight solution that is also a dam sight cheaper than forking out for some external power pack needed for an iPhone due to its inherent battery problem.
Vallhund
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“170,000 I thought i heard.”

In 2 hours!
Vallhund
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Lots of people have certainly found that by having loads of things that are unobtainable on the iPhone makes Android battery life worse.”

Indeed one of the greatest strengths of Steve Jobs is knowing what to leave out of a system. Another is doing things the right way.

Multitasking done right.


Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“It it a dual mode iPhone or just single ?”

Single
pi r squared
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Indeed one of the greatest strengths of Steve Jobs is knowing what to leave out of a system. Another is doing things the right way.

Multitasking done right.
”

This comes up fairly often, how the Apple "multitasking" way is substantially better. And every time I ask the same thing and every time it gets resolutely ignored: can someone please provide some real-world evidence that the iPhone way is 'better' - performance 'better', battery-life 'better', whatever - than the Android or Symbian way? Because so far the only "evidence" I can find is the Gospel of Steve Jobs, and that link to the Apple site.
lozzauk85
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“This comes up fairly often, how the Apple "multitasking" way is substantially better. And every time I ask the same thing and every time it gets resolutely ignored: can someone please provide some real-world evidence that the iPhone way is 'better' - performance 'better', battery-life 'better', whatever - than the Android or Symbian way? Because so far the only "evidence" I can find is the Gospel of Steve Jobs, and that link to the Apple site.”

I'm not convinced it is. It's just a way of Apple making an excuse for bringing in multi-tasking very late.

The iPhone site also proudly mentions Apple engineers developing the retina display (it's an LG!)
Vallhund
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“This comes up fairly often, how the Apple "multitasking" way is substantially better.”

FWIH from people who use both, the Apple way isn't always on (rather only when you need it) and this causes less drain on the battery.

Although it doesn't answer your specific question, here is a little bit about how the two OS's handle multitasking.

Apple iOS 4 vs. Android Multitasking: Which Approach Is Better for Users?
neo_wales
06-02-2011
I dread to think how much worse the battery life could get if it failed to multitask then lol

Still waiting for Vallhunds reply to post #36
Vallhund
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“I dread to think how much worse the battery life could get if it failed to multitask then lol

Still waiting for Vallhunds reply to post #36”

Try post #41.
alanwarwic
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“FWIH from people who use both, the Apple way isn't always on (rather only when you need it) and this causes less drain on the battery.”

Of course Android and its apps give you the choice of having it both ways .
The iPhone is more the old 'Henry Ford' style of choice.
MP34L1fe
06-02-2011
I really do not understand why so many people go for the iphone, its overly expensive, build quality is dubious and you get practically the same apps if not more with android, i have an xperia x10 it runs smooth, quickly with no probs, and my battery life ain't bad either
pi r squared
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“FWIH from people who use both, the Apple way isn't always on (rather only when you need it) and this causes less drain on the battery.”

Come off it: you wouldn't accept anecdotal "from what I've heard" evidence if the boot were on the other foot. You're usually the king of embedded links that jump to evidence backing up your argument... so can I conclude that there isn't any real-world evidence of the iPhone multitask superiority, or shall I give you a bit more time?

FWIW, Android apps aren't "always on" either. A couple of buggy or shitly-written apps may well continue chewing through resources whilst running in the background until Android boots them, but most will sit in a catatonic state - the same as iPhone's "done right" system - until required again.
chaos77
06-02-2011
as far as the UK is concerned, if the iphone was going to kill off android it would have happened by now, no reason to expect any different in the states. get over it and move on... this thread is a pain in the arse!
neo_wales
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Try post #41. ”

Then why do iPhones go flat fast? do they use cheap batteries?
KAC
06-02-2011
Originally Posted by MP34L1fe:
“build quality is dubious and you get practically the same apps if not more with android”

Evidence?

Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“Then why do iPhones go flat fast?”

Evidence?
neo_wales
07-02-2011
Originally Posted by KAC:
“Evidence?



Evidence?”

Friends and family who have iPhones, they all complain of pee poor battery life, if your in need of evidence just google iphone poor battery and you will see hundreds of hits on the topic.
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