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Old 17-01-2011, 10:39
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Hi all. I just got a new dvd/hd recorder. Instructions say to put areial in dvd unit. I can't it needs to go in tv as tv has built in freesat. also the connector is a screw thingy which wont connect to dvd anyway. The dvd player has built in freesat, though with the tv having freesat, it's the tv I want to record from. Advice much appreciated. Thanks in advance :0)
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Old 17-01-2011, 11:36
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Hi all. I just got a new dvd/hd recorder. Instructions say to put areial in dvd unit. I can't it needs to go in tv as tv has built in freesat. also the connector is a screw thingy which wont connect to dvd anyway. The dvd player has built in freesat, though with the tv having freesat, it's the tv I want to record from. Advice much appreciated. Thanks in advance :0)
The dvd recorder needs a terrestrial aerial for its own tuners. To record from the TV you need a scart cable from the TV to dvdr and select to record from that (it's a very poor way of recording as the quality is poor and you have to record what you are watching). If the dvdr does not have the screwy thingy (f connector) it won't have a freesat tuner. What's it's model name ?.
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Old 17-01-2011, 14:53
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Thanks graham. The dvd is a LG RHT498H. The tv is a 32LF7700. In techno phob language any suggestions ? so a terrestrial aerial means I need to buy an indoor aerial as well? Can I not just get pic from freesat on tv and record onto dvd unit? I read in the manual a HDMI lead would give a better picture? I don't want to confuss myself even more :0)
sorry, tv has freesat. dvd unit has freeview.
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:02
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Thanks graham. The dvd is a LG RHT498H. The tv is a 32LF7700. In techno phob language any suggestions ? so a terrestrial aerial means I need to buy an indoor aerial as well?
It's somewhat unlikely that an indoor aerial will give you a good enough signal for Freeview.

I read in the manual a HDMI lead would give a better picture?
An HDMI lead - which runs between the DVD and the TV - will give a better picture than a SCART lead (The big , fat, ones with the chunky plugs). Just buy a cheap one - there is no advantage in paying a lot.

I don't want to confuss myself even more :0)
Do you have a technically proficient friend who could help you out?

sorry, tv has freesat. dvd unit has freeview.
Then you will get your installer to attach the lead from your dish to the TV.

You will then need an aerial - almost certainly an external/loft mounted one - to attach to the Freeview DVD recorder which will then attach to the TV via a SCART or, preferably, an HDMI lead.

You will be able to watch Freesat on the TV but only record it when the TV is on.

You should be able to watch Freeview via the DVD and also, of course, record it and play it back.

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Old 17-01-2011, 19:14
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Thanks graham. The dvd is a LG RHT498H. The tv is a 32LF7700. In techno phob language any suggestions ? so a terrestrial aerial means I need to buy an indoor aerial as well? Can I not just get pic from freesat on tv and record onto dvd unit? I read in the manual a HDMI lead would give a better picture? I don't want to confuss myself even more :0)
sorry, tv has freesat. dvd unit has freeview.
The TV is probably able to output its picture on its secondary SCART socket (AV2) so yes, you could take a SCART lead from the TV to the DVD/HDD recorder and record whatever is currently showing on the TV. You can also simulate PVR-style recording from the TV's EPG if you set a timer and put the TV in standby while you're out, and the recorder will probably be able to "wake up" when the TV switches itself on and it will start recording automatically. But note, your TV does have to be on in order to record in this way.

The screw-type lead comes from the satellite dish and can only be plugged into the TV in this instance, it cannot be daisy-chained through the recorder.

If you want to be able to receive terrestrial TV as well (Freeview) then you need a cable coming from an aerial. If you want to be able to receive Freeview on both the TV and the recorder (for recording from its internal Freeview tuner) then you can daisy-chain the leads - plug the aerial into the recorder then take another cable from the recorder to the TV aerial socket (NOT the satellite socket).

An indoor aerial MIGHT work, it depends on the signal strength in your area. At my Mum's house, there is a portable TV upstairs in the loft conversion that works well for Freeview, but it does have direct line of sight to the transmitter about 7 miles away!
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:23
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Thanks graham. The dvd is a LG RHT498H. The tv is a 32LF7700. In techno phob language any suggestions ? so a terrestrial aerial means I need to buy an indoor aerial as well? Can I not just get pic from freesat on tv and record onto dvd unit? I read in the manual a HDMI lead would give a better picture? I don't want to confuss myself even more :0)
sorry, tv has freesat. dvd unit has freeview.
To record from the TV you will need two things. A SCART lead and at least one SCART socket on the TV wired for output. Most modern TVs will have at least one such socket.

You connect the SCART lead from this TV socket to an Input SCART on the recorder. The recorder will be able to select this input as the recording source. So you just select whatever channel you want to record on the telly, select the correct input on the recorder and press record on the DVD.

HDMI may give a better picture than SCART but on the other hand it may not be significantly better. It will not however replace SCART for recording. So even if you did connect the DVD to the TV via HDMI for playback you'd still need the SCART to record from the TV.

If you get an aerial set up and can receive Freeview on the DVD then you can record a different channel on the DVD to the one you are watching on the TV. Which you can't do if recording from the TV.
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:32
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It's somewhat unlikely that an indoor aerial will give you a good enough signal for Freeview.



An HDMI lead - which runs between the DVD and the TV - will give a better picture than a SCART lead (The big , fat, ones with the chunky plugs). Just buy a cheap one - there is no advantage in paying a lot.



Do you have a technically proficient friend who could help you out?



Then you will get your installer to attach the lead from your dish to the TV.

You will then need an aerial - almost certainly an external/loft mounted one - to attach to the Freeview DVD recorder which will then attach to the TV via a SCART or, preferably, an HDMI lead.

You will be able to watch Freesat on the TV but only record it when the TV is on.

You should be able to watch Freeview via the DVD and also, of course, record it and play it back.
Many thanks Jepson, I love your lanuage, I can actually understand it ! I'm a bit of a billy no mates. Moved from London to Northampton, so no one about to help. Don't think they'd have a clue anyway. I had someone out to sort lead from dish to tv ( after 6 weeks thinking I could do it myself, which I clearly couldn't ). Reson I got freesat tv was to avoid having to run lead from loft aerial to tv. I dont care about the freeview on dvd, dont see that I need it when tv has freesat, so do I really need aerial for it if i'm not using the freeview ? Off to amazon now for a HDMI lead :0)
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:39
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so do I really need aerial for it if i'm not using the freeview ? Off to amazon now for a HDMI lead :0)
Provided your TV does actually output on a SCART, no, you don't need Freeview (unless you want the extra channels - e.g. Dave, C5 US and 5er).
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:42
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The TV is probably able to output its picture on its secondary SCART socket (AV2) so yes, you could take a SCART lead from the TV to the DVD/HDD recorder and record whatever is currently showing on the TV. You can also simulate PVR-style recording from the TV's EPG if you set a timer and put the TV in standby while you're out, and the recorder will probably be able to "wake up" when the TV switches itself on and it will start recording automatically. But note, your TV does have to be on in order to record in this way.

The screw-type lead comes from the satellite dish and can only be plugged into the TV in this instance, it cannot be daisy-chained through the recorder.

If you want to be able to receive terrestrial TV as well (Freeview) then you need a cable coming from an aerial. If you want to be able to receive Freeview on both the TV and the recorder (for recording from its internal Freeview tuner) then you can daisy-chain the leads - plug the aerial into the recorder then take another cable from the recorder to the TV aerial socket (NOT the satellite socket).

An indoor aerial MIGHT work, it depends on the signal strength in your area. At my Mum's house, there is a portable TV upstairs in the loft conversion that works well for Freeview, but it does have direct line of sight to the transmitter about 7 miles away!
Thanks Chris. That sort of worked. I can now record whatever is showing on the tv onto the dvd unit. However it wont let me set it up to record later. It says I need to do channel set up 1st, which I've tried and it doesnt work. I guess it's trying to find freeview signal on dvd unit rather than the freesat signal via the tv. so it works as long as I sit here and press record to record instantly. It's a great start :0)
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:43
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Provided your TV does actually output on a SCART, no, you don't need Freeview (unless you want the extra channels - e.g. Dave, C5 US and 5er).
Nah. I only watch true movies and the horror channel :0)
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:50
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To record from the TV you will need two things. A SCART lead and at least one SCART socket on the TV wired for output. Most modern TVs will have at least one such socket.

You connect the SCART lead from this TV socket to an Input SCART on the recorder. The recorder will be able to select this input as the recording source. So you just select whatever channel you want to record on the telly, select the correct input on the recorder and press record on the DVD.

HDMI may give a better picture than SCART but on the other hand it may not be significantly better. It will not however replace SCART for recording. So even if you did connect the DVD to the TV via HDMI for playback you'd still need the SCART to record from the TV.

If you get an aerial set up and can receive Freeview on the DVD then you can record a different channel on the DVD to the one you are watching on the TV. Which you can't do if recording from the TV.
Thanks Chris. Yep, got 2 scarts in each dvd & tv. Have I done it right? even though it will now record from tv ( though only with instant record, I cant set the timer) I can't get a picture on the tv through the dvd player via the tv's freesat. I can only get whatever I've recorded. Is that right ? Hope that makes sense :0)
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:51
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Thanks Chris. That sort of worked. I can now record whatever is showing on the tv onto the dvd unit. However it wont let me set it up to record later. It says I need to do channel set up 1st, which I've tried and it doesnt work. I guess it's trying to find freeview signal on dvd unit rather than the freesat signal via the tv. so it works as long as I sit here and press record to record instantly. It's a great start :0)
You should be able to set up a timer record event manually regardless of whether you've tuned in the Freeview channels or not. Fairly obviously if you have no aerial you will not be able to tune anything in on the DVD.

How exactly were you trying to set up a future recording?
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Old 17-01-2011, 19:55
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You should be able to set up a timer record event manually regardless of whether you've tuned in the Freeview channels or not. Fairly obviously if you have no aerial you will not be able to tune anything in on the DVD.

How exactly were you trying to set up a future recording?
on dvd unit, I went to home - tv - timer record. It's the only place I can find to set up recorder to furture record. Thanks for your time Chris. I clearly am more of a techno phob than I realised :0).
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Old 17-01-2011, 20:19
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on dvd unit, I went to home - tv - timer record. It's the only place I can find to set up recorder to furture record.
If you want to record Freesat from the TV, then you need to set the timer from the TV's EPG, not the recorder's EPG.

You would set up a timer from the recorder's EPG if you wanted to use Freeview.
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Old 17-01-2011, 20:53
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If you want to record Freesat from the TV, then you need to set the timer from the TV's EPG, not the recorder's EPG.

You would set up a timer from the recorder's EPG if you wanted to use Freeview.
I know I'm probably being very duh, but whats an EPG ? And I can set the tv to turn certain channels on, but surely that wont tell the hard drive on the dvd unit when to record ?
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Old 17-01-2011, 21:54
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on dvd unit, I went to home - tv - timer record. It's the only place I can find to set up recorder to furture record. Thanks for your time Chris. I clearly am more of a techno phob than I realised :0).
That is the correct place.

What might be happening is that in the section where you set what channel you want to record you are trying to enter a number. What you need to do is select whatever the LG calls it's SCART inputs, AV1 or whatever.
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Old 17-01-2011, 22:59
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That is the correct place.

What might be happening is that in the section where you set what channel you want to record you are trying to enter a number. What you need to do is select whatever the LG calls it's SCART inputs, AV1 or whatever.
Hi Chris. They're both on AV2 and I make sure I set dvd to it and put tv on sat input. That seems to be the only way to get it to record, even if it wont set to future record. Any other combi and it wont even instant record.
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Old 18-01-2011, 09:02
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Hi Chris. They're both on AV2 and I make sure I set dvd to it and put tv on sat input. That seems to be the only way to get it to record, even if it wont set to future record. Any other combi and it wont even instant record.
But the Timer Record function takes no notice of what you have selected to watch/record on the DVD. You have to explicitly tell it what you want to record.

When you go into the Timer Record set up there will be a box or whatever where you enter a channel number. It should also be possible to select AV2 in that box. Because you haven't tuned in any channels it won't let you enter a channel number but should let you choose AV2
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Old 18-01-2011, 09:40
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But the Timer Record function takes no notice of what you have selected to watch/record on the DVD. You have to explicitly tell it what you want to record.

When you go into the Timer Record set up there will be a box or whatever where you enter a channel number. It should also be possible to select AV2 in that box. Because you haven't tuned in any channels it won't let you enter a channel number but should let you choose AV2
That would make sense to me, but it wont let me. as soon as i click on record timer the only box that comes up is the one telling me to do channel set up 1st :0(
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Old 18-01-2011, 10:20
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I know I'm probably being very duh, but whats an EPG ?
Electronic Programme Guide - it's the list of channels of programmes.

And I can set the tv to turn certain channels on, but surely that wont tell the hard drive on the dvd unit when to record ?
Re-read my Post #5 above.

There are 2 ways to get it to record on a timer from the TV:

1. Set a timer on the recorder and on the TV separately. But if you haven't set up the channels on the recorder yet, it might not allow you to set a timer.
2. If your recorder is able to "wake up" and start a recording automatically when it sees a signal coming in on its SCART socket, set a timer on the TV only. Read the recorder's manual to find out if it can do this. My 4-year old Pioneer DVD/HDD can do it, even my old Philips VCR!
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Old 18-01-2011, 10:50
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That would make sense to me, but it wont let me. as soon as i click on record timer the only box that comes up is the one telling me to do channel set up 1st :0(
OK try running the Channel Set Up routine then. It will still do it even with no aerial it just won't find anything.

You never know it might be enough to let you set a timer.
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