Why has it become the fashion to have duets as, for instance, "Joe Bloggs featuring Jane Smith"? Weird!
"Featuring"?
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“Why has it become the fashion to have duets as, for instance, "Joe Bloggs featuring Jane Smith"? Weird!”
“Why has it become the fashion to have duets as, for instance, "Joe Bloggs featuring Jane Smith"? Weird!”
It's not unusual for someone with little or no talent to feature someone who has just to lend an air of creditability to their woeful offerings.
It's been done for a long time, mainly in the "urban" genres. However, these days it seems to be done just for the sake of being done, like that JLS song with Tinie Tempah (sp?) in it. He adds absolutely nothing to the song. He is just there because of who he is.
On the whole, I'm not really a fan of collaborations. It is usually just a status thing, sadly.
I loved Jay Z & Linkin Park's Numb/Encore though
I loved Jay Z & Linkin Park's Numb/Encore though
Collaborations have been happening for decades. Those of you who are fans of pop and rock music might find them a bit weird, because in those genres, artists fend for themselves. They whine when people cover their songs, they're constantly in competition with each other, and are happy when their competitors fail, and upset when they have success. If someone wants to sample them, they're often selfish and take them to court, or demand tens of thousands of pounds from them.
In urban music, this is not a case. Hip hop, for example, is more than just a genre of music. It's a community; a lifestyle. Most rappers are completely fine with making a song, and then dozens of other rappers adding verses on without even asking. A lot of rappers can't sing (very well), so they often get proper vocalists to sing the choruses for them, or they might sample the chorus from one of their friends songs, if it is appropriate. It's completely different there. Instead of "Don't sample my songs, and if you do, I'll take you to court and I'll order you to give me lots of money" like some of those rock artists try to do, it's "I made this song. Everybody feel free to do your own interpretations of it".
Seriously, it's a completely different world. Collaborations are perfectly normal in hip hop, RnB, etc. The artists in the mainstream are often really good friends. Some even live together. The more experienced rappers tutor the less experienced experienced rappers, and help them to get played on the radio, and so on.
Some artists aren't selfish and obsessed with money, fame, etc. anymore. This may be a shock to some people, but a lot of artists, urban artists in particular, like to SHARE.
In urban music, this is not a case. Hip hop, for example, is more than just a genre of music. It's a community; a lifestyle. Most rappers are completely fine with making a song, and then dozens of other rappers adding verses on without even asking. A lot of rappers can't sing (very well), so they often get proper vocalists to sing the choruses for them, or they might sample the chorus from one of their friends songs, if it is appropriate. It's completely different there. Instead of "Don't sample my songs, and if you do, I'll take you to court and I'll order you to give me lots of money" like some of those rock artists try to do, it's "I made this song. Everybody feel free to do your own interpretations of it".
Seriously, it's a completely different world. Collaborations are perfectly normal in hip hop, RnB, etc. The artists in the mainstream are often really good friends. Some even live together. The more experienced rappers tutor the less experienced experienced rappers, and help them to get played on the radio, and so on.
Some artists aren't selfish and obsessed with money, fame, etc. anymore. This may be a shock to some people, but a lot of artists, urban artists in particular, like to SHARE.
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“Instead of "Don't sample my songs, and if you do, I'll take you to court and I'll order you to give me lots of money" like some of those rock artists try to do, it's "I made this song. Everybody feel free to do your own interpretations of it".”
“Instead of "Don't sample my songs, and if you do, I'll take you to court and I'll order you to give me lots of money" like some of those rock artists try to do, it's "I made this song. Everybody feel free to do your own interpretations of it".”
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Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“Some artists aren't selfish and obsessed with money, fame, etc. anymore. This may be a shock to some people, but a lot of artists, urban artists in particular, like to SHARE.”
“Some artists aren't selfish and obsessed with money, fame, etc. anymore. This may be a shock to some people, but a lot of artists, urban artists in particular, like to SHARE.”
You do raise some interesting points, but I think that you'll find that to SHARE means I give to you not you take from me.
It isn't the fact that they collaborate that I am querying, it is why it is now called "featuring". Where did that come from. Singers used to both have their names on the track - for example when Will and Gareth sang Long and Winding Road they were both mentioned (hate that by the way).
Maybe it is when one act dominates and the "featured" singer adds a couple of words! There - I've answered my own question!
Maybe it is when one act dominates and the "featured" singer adds a couple of words! There - I've answered my own question!
It seems every single Alexandra Burke song is 'featuring' someone or other. I wonder if her mail comes through her door addressed to Alexandra Burke feat. xxxxxx
Originally Posted by knowndeserter:
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You do raise some interesting points, but I think that you'll find that to SHARE means I give to you not you take from me.”
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You do raise some interesting points, but I think that you'll find that to SHARE means I give to you not you take from me.”
I don't thin it's sharing at all. Sampling doesn't mean someone said "here, use my work". It'll usually be the other way around and the person wanting to sample it asks for permission first, probably paying royalties as well.
Most rappers require a female or male singer to either sing the chorus, or add a verse to break up a track of complete rap.
Even if not credited, artists still feature the vocals of others, including Tinie Tempah's "Pass Out" which featured Labrinth, who wasn't necessarily needed; but tracks from Kanye West and Devlin all feature singers which don't get credit, but by having them on the record cause memorable 'tunes' to be caught in the mind of the listener.
As for singers having rappers as features, same thing really - Taio Cruz and Alexandra Burke both do it, A) To appeal to another market, B) To break up a song of non-stop singing (aka. singing the same chorus over and over again).
Isn't it a rule in music to have a middle eight too? Whether this be a different sounding verse/chorus or be it a verse from a rapper/singer.
Even if not credited, artists still feature the vocals of others, including Tinie Tempah's "Pass Out" which featured Labrinth, who wasn't necessarily needed; but tracks from Kanye West and Devlin all feature singers which don't get credit, but by having them on the record cause memorable 'tunes' to be caught in the mind of the listener.
As for singers having rappers as features, same thing really - Taio Cruz and Alexandra Burke both do it, A) To appeal to another market, B) To break up a song of non-stop singing (aka. singing the same chorus over and over again).
Isn't it a rule in music to have a middle eight too? Whether this be a different sounding verse/chorus or be it a verse from a rapper/singer.
It's quite a shame how it's all turned out - now every other track released has a 'featuring' artist.
Back in the day is was quite the 'event' to have two artists collaborate, now that's all been lost.
Back in the day is was quite the 'event' to have two artists collaborate, now that's all been lost.
We should think up some collaborations involving contrasting or appropriate names of singers or groups, for example:
Big Fun ft Tinie Tempah
Girls Aloud ft Boys to Men
The Police ft Fun Loving Criminals
Nu Shooz ft Little Boots
Bread ft Hot Butter (or Jam or Marmalade)
War ft Guns & Roses
The Strawbs ft Cream
Tight Fit ft Loose Ends
Flying Picketts ft Wings
Girls Aloud ft the Noisettes
If I think of some more I shall let you know. You have been warned!
Big Fun ft Tinie Tempah
Girls Aloud ft Boys to Men
The Police ft Fun Loving Criminals
Nu Shooz ft Little Boots
Bread ft Hot Butter (or Jam or Marmalade)
War ft Guns & Roses
The Strawbs ft Cream
Tight Fit ft Loose Ends
Flying Picketts ft Wings
Girls Aloud ft the Noisettes
If I think of some more I shall let you know. You have been warned!
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“Collaborations have been happening for decades. Those of you who are fans of pop and rock music might find them a bit weird, because in those genres, artists fend for themselves. They whine when people cover their songs, they're constantly in competition with each other, and are happy when their competitors fail, and upset when they have success. If someone wants to sample them, they're often selfish and take them to court, or demand tens of thousands of pounds from them.
In urban music, this is not a case. Hip hop, for example, is more than just a genre of music. It's a community; a lifestyle. Most rappers are completely fine with making a song, and then dozens of other rappers adding verses on without even asking. A lot of rappers can't sing (very well), so they often get proper vocalists to sing the choruses for them, or they might sample the chorus from one of their friends songs, if it is appropriate. It's completely different there. Instead of "Don't sample my songs, and if you do, I'll take you to court and I'll order you to give me lots of money" like some of those rock artists try to do, it's "I made this song. Everybody feel free to do your own interpretations of it".
Seriously, it's a completely different world. Collaborations are perfectly normal in hip hop, RnB, etc. The artists in the mainstream are often really good friends. Some even live together. The more experienced rappers tutor the less experienced experienced rappers, and help them to get played on the radio, and so on.
Some artists aren't selfish and obsessed with money, fame, etc. anymore. This may be a shock to some people, but a lot of artists, urban artists in particular, like to SHARE.”
“Collaborations have been happening for decades. Those of you who are fans of pop and rock music might find them a bit weird, because in those genres, artists fend for themselves. They whine when people cover their songs, they're constantly in competition with each other, and are happy when their competitors fail, and upset when they have success. If someone wants to sample them, they're often selfish and take them to court, or demand tens of thousands of pounds from them.
In urban music, this is not a case. Hip hop, for example, is more than just a genre of music. It's a community; a lifestyle. Most rappers are completely fine with making a song, and then dozens of other rappers adding verses on without even asking. A lot of rappers can't sing (very well), so they often get proper vocalists to sing the choruses for them, or they might sample the chorus from one of their friends songs, if it is appropriate. It's completely different there. Instead of "Don't sample my songs, and if you do, I'll take you to court and I'll order you to give me lots of money" like some of those rock artists try to do, it's "I made this song. Everybody feel free to do your own interpretations of it".
Seriously, it's a completely different world. Collaborations are perfectly normal in hip hop, RnB, etc. The artists in the mainstream are often really good friends. Some even live together. The more experienced rappers tutor the less experienced experienced rappers, and help them to get played on the radio, and so on.
Some artists aren't selfish and obsessed with money, fame, etc. anymore. This may be a shock to some people, but a lot of artists, urban artists in particular, like to SHARE.”
I remember you - you're that poster who hates absolutely everything to do with rock music, aren't you?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the definitive example of a post by somebody who has no idea what they're talking about.
If you knew anything about rock/metal music you'd know that it's arguably the most self-reverential genre out there. Bands are constantly covering each others songs at concerts, wearing the t-shirts of their favourite artists, referring to their favourite bands in lyrics (Does "Listen to Iron Maiden, baby, with me" ring a bell?), having guest spots for solos, vocals etc.
I could give a myriad of examples of this but as you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about I'm not going to waste my time.
